Does this look like the same dog to you?

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by Breeze

My vote would be to donate to YT, it is expensive to run this awesome site.
The amount of wonderful yorkie things that happen here is unbelievable. No better place to support yorkies.

I completely agree. I love this site, even if I haven't been on it very long. The people here are amazing, generous and so very helpful!

We WILL pursue it legally. I'll call my attorney in the morning and see what I have to do to get it started.

Ultimately, Emma needs to be spayed before placement. I'll talk to my vet tomorrow and explain the situation and see if he'd be willing to give me a discount on Emma's spay. I bring parrots to him every week for rescue and he gives our organization a discount for them, so it's worth asking since I have a good relationship with Dr Orr. I can't afford any more out of my pocket. I've lost so much as it is, so getting this done would depend on how much money we could come up with.

[amanda350]

Originally Posted by Breeze

This is the response I got from Chelsy when I emailed her concerned for Emma: I hope she does not mind.



Re: Yorkie EmmaThursday, March 26, 2009 11:20 PM
From: "chelboucher@aol.com" <chelboucher@aol.com>Add sender to Contacts
To: *******@*****
Emma is not my dog. I was advertising her for someone who contacted me for help. I do everything I can to find great homes for dogs, but I was COMPLETELY misled in this situation. I merely put what she told me on my website. I was told that her husband surprised her with this dog, and she was larger than she wanted, so she wanted me to sell her. I didn’t know she was aggressive, and there was any problem with this dog, or about any of the false advertising. She gave me the pictured I had posted, and I thought she was a cute little girl. Thankfully, a client that I have worked with in the past informed me of what was going on with this dog, and I immediately took her off my website. I have worked so hard to build my reputation, and I sure hope this situation hasn’t ruined it for me. I work with breeders who have bred yorkies for over 40 years, and I sell their dogs for them. I generally don’t sell for other people besides the few breeders that I know and respect, but I wanted to help and all it has done it hurt me. I would like to stay completely out of this situation. I have nothing to do with this dog other than that I was trying to find her a forever home where she could be comfortable and happy. I hate seeing dogs get tossed around. I hope this situation can be resolved for the sake of the poor dog!
Thanks for the e-mail!
Chelsy

-----Original Message-----
From:*****@*****
To: chelboucher@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: Yorkie Emma

I was wondering if you knew what is going on with this thread on YT? Is Emma
your dog?

Thank you for your time


http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...e-dog-you.html

Just wondering if anyone saw this..... This seems to contradict what the buyer said about not knowing that Chelsey put Emma on her website....I myself am not forking over any of my hard earned money for dishonest people... Don't let this post make you think I agree with you either jasmanea...SHAME ON BOTH OF YOU!!

[emilyann]

Good grief, this whole situation is so heartbreaking. I do think the post on the website is a little off but whatever. I can only see the buyer in this situation, the only one who is trying to what's best for Emma. The seller could obviously care less or she wouldn't have kept ignoring everyone and just worrying about how she could turn everyone against the buyer. It's rather pathetic and I won't put what I really think.

I don't really believe anyone 100%, not even the Chelsy person. It's OBVIOUS people can lie on the internet so wake up people and drop the whole "taking sides".

Good luck and I hope Emma finds a loving home where she can be spoiled rotten and have LOADS of attention.

[WalnutHill]

Originally Posted by Teiya

I can't afford any more out of my pocket. I've lost so much as it is, so getting this done would depend on how much money we could come up with.

Wait, now I am really confused. Who spends over $1,000 on a female Yorkie and can't afford a spay?

And, if you know a local breeder, why in the heck-a-rooney would you buy a dog and have shipped to you?

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by WalnutHill

Wait, now I am really confused. Who spends over $1,000 on a female Yorkie and can't afford a spay?

And, if you know a local breeder, why in the heck-a-rooney would you buy a dog and have shipped to you?

I saved up for the purchase of Emma and endured quite a few expenses after she arrived in vet bills already.

As for the breeder, I didn't WANT a puppy. I wanted an adult. Raising a puppy is a lot of work and I didn't feel that I should spread my time that thin. Chelsey sells puppies. Occasionally she has adult dogs available but she didn't feel that any of what she had was a good match to my family and was honest with me about that. I respect and admire her for that. She could have made a fast buck from me but chose not to.

[WalnutHill]

Originally Posted by Teiya

I saved up for the purchase of Emma and endured quite a few expenses after she arrived in vet bills already.

As for the breeder, I didn't WANT a puppy. I wanted an adult. Raising a puppy is a lot of work and I didn't feel that I should spread my time that thin. Chelsey sells puppies. Occasionally she has adult dogs available but she didn't feel that any of what she had was a good match to my family and was honest with me about that. I respect and admire her for that. She could have made a fast buck from me but chose not to.

Ahh, okay. that makes more sense.

Well, lesson learned, I'm sure.

I wish there was some way I could help Emma! Poor dear.

Why won't the breeder just refund the money, minus the shipping costs, and pay to have her sent back? That's exactly what I would do! Of course, I love my dogs and couldn't BEAR the thought of one of them being in a home that wasn't right for them. I would be unable to sleep, unable to eat, and money would be the LAST thing on my mind. Who cares about the money? We all gotta eat, I know, but why breed them if you don't absolutely adore them?

[amanda350]

Originally Posted by emilyann

Good grief, this whole situation is so heartbreaking. I do think the post on the website is a little off but whatever. I can only see the buyer in this situation, the only one who is trying to what's best for Emma. The seller could obviously care less or she wouldn't have kept ignoring everyone and just worrying about how she could turn everyone against the buyer. It's rather pathetic and I won't put what I really think.

I don't really believe anyone 100%, not even the Chelsy person. It's OBVIOUS people can lie on the internet so wake up people and drop the whole "taking sides".

Good luck and I hope Emma finds a loving home where she can be spoiled rotten and have LOADS of attention.

She wasn't trying to do what is best for Emma until she was offered money from yt members to help(which by the way if you look way back in the thread, she needs the money to buy a new dog). Up till now, she had a false ad for the poor dog saying she had a good temperment and was soon ready to breed...It seems to me she should rehome her HONESTLY and then sue jasmanea for the difference....If she were fixing to lose her home or car I might consider helping, but I am not helping her buy another dog when she should have been more responsible about this purchase....and jasmanea should be banned.....

[QuickSilver]

I'd like to make another suggestion:

Both parties involved should take 24 hours to cool off and decide what the best course of action is. I think legal action should be a last resort, because it's damaging to everyone involved.

There are people with experience mediating business disputes. My guess is that you could find a professional mediator, but I have the name of someone who does not have any kind of title, but is very good with this type of thing. If someone PMs me, I can provide her information. She works on cases all over the country.

My guess is that if this ends up with no agreement between buyer and seller, it will end up costing both of you much more than it would to settle this. There would be legal fees, time spent, bile... I was the one who originally suggested that YT members help, but this would definitely be complicated: someone would need to keep records of Emma's spay and adoption fees to verify that everything was done on the up and up, for instance.

I think the ideal situation at this point would be: Emma is sold to a good home. Buyer and seller split the total expenses less whatever her she is sold for. Ideally she would be sold in Utah, so she does not have to be shipped again. I am not sure what a good adoption fee for her would be. Maybe another thread should get started for this.

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by WalnutHill

Ahh, okay. that makes more sense.

Well, lesson learned, I'm sure.

I wish there was some way I could help Emma! Poor dear.

Why won't the breeder just refund the money, minus the shipping costs, and pay to have her sent back? That's exactly what I would do! Of course, I love my dogs and couldn't BEAR the thought of one of them being in a home that wasn't right for them. I would be unable to sleep, unable to eat, and money would be the LAST thing on my mind. Who cares about the money? We all gotta eat, I know, but why breed them if you don't absolutely adore them?

Sarah, with everything that has been posted here, do you honestly feel the breeder will do the right thing for Emma if I do send her back? She misrepresented her to me to get her off her hands and hasn't been very professional in this matter. She's not even remotely tried to resolve this matter. I don't think she cares.

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

I'd like to make another suggestion:

Both parties involved should take 24 hours to cool off and decide what the best course of action is. I think legal action should be a last resort, because it's damaging to everyone involved.

There are people with experience mediating business disputes. My guess is that you could find a professional mediator, but I have the name of someone who does not have any kind of title, but is very good with this type of thing. If someone PMs me, I can provide her information. She works on cases all over the country.

My guess is that if this ends up with no agreement between buyer and seller, it will end up costing both of you much more than it would to settle this. There would be legal fees, time spent, bile... I was the one who originally suggested that YT members help, but this would definitely be complicated: someone would need to keep records of Emma's spay and adoption fees to verify that everything was done on the up and up, for instance.

I think the ideal situation at this point would be: Emma is sold to a good home. Buyer and seller split the total expenses less whatever her she is sold for. Ideally she would be sold in Utah, so she does not have to be shipped again. I am not sure what a good adoption fee for her would be. Maybe another thread should get started for this.

There has to be more people on YT from Utah. I can't be the only one. I would be willing to work with another member of YT.

I'm just trying to find a solution to this issue but holy cow... how much more of a beating do I need to take here? I'm not the one that misrepresented the dog and placed her in an unsuitable situation. God I wish I was suitable for Emma, but sadly, I'm not. At least I can admit that.

And yeah I want my money back. Any one of you would too! I'm staring at almost $600 in vet bills on top of what Jasmanea took from me. How much more should I lose here? All I want is for Emma to get a good home and my life get back to normal. SOMEDAY I'll get another dog. But it won't be for a while.

[cj125]

[quote=QuickSilver;2545272]I'd like to make another suggestion:

Both parties involved should take 24 hours to cool off and decide what the best course of action is. I think legal action should be a last resort, because it's damaging to everyone involved.

There are people with experience mediating business disputes. My guess is that you could find a professional mediator, but I have the name of someone who does not have any kind of title, but is very good with this type of thing. If someone PMs me, I can provide her information. She works on cases all over the country.

My guess is that if this ends up with no agreement between buyer and seller, it will end up costing both of you much more than it would to settle this. There would be legal fees, time spent, bile... I was the one who originally suggested that YT members help, but this would definitely be complicated: someone would need to keep records of Emma's spay and adoption fees to verify that everything was done on the up and up, for instance.

I think the ideal situation at this point would be: Emma is sold to a good home. Buyer and seller split the total expenses less whatever her she is sold for. Ideally she would be sold in Utah, so she does not have to be shipped again. I am not sure what a good adoption fee for her would be. Maybe another thread should get started for this.[/quote]

FINALLY... some common sense!
It would really be nice if YT Members could help out people/Yorkies when they're in "need" but we've been through this before. It's just too hard to define who should get what and why. I wish you all luck in getting this resolved. Emma - you're in my prayers sweetie!

[WalnutHill]

Originally Posted by Teiya

Sarah, with everything that has been posted here, do you honestly feel the breeder will do the right thing for Emma if I do send her back? She misrepresented her to me to get her off her hands and hasn't been very professional in this matter. She's not even remotely tried to resolve this matter. I don't think she cares.

Absolutely that's obvious now - but that SHOULD have been what was done from the beginning, and actually, this person shouldn't be breeding and shouldn't be allowed to advertise on YT anymore....

It just breaks my heart when people don't do the right thing, especially someone who breeds Yorkies!

I agree that the best course of action is a 24-hour cool-off period, and an attempt to rehome her for a fee, then the buyer and seller splittling the losses (i.e. the seller refunding that portion on the loss to the buyer).

I'd say that if you are honest about her, you could ask for $400 as an adoption fee.

You may need to look in to putting her on some rescue sites.

[shannonroselive]

Originally Posted by LilMissy

Teiya did the same thing! They both put up the SAME EXACT advertisement for this dog. I do not believe for one second that Chelsey put that ad up without Teiya being aware. All THREE of them have done wrong in my eyes.

Just from a legal stand point, I think it's Jasmanea's responsibility to give a refund for Emma.

I'm with this too. They're all wrong and I have no more sympathy but for poor Emma.
What about this? Chelsea says she doesn't even know these folks and the OP said they were friends????
I'm so confused! This is some dirty deeds!

Originally Posted by Breeze

This is the response I got from Chelsy when I emailed her concerned for Emma: I hope she does not mind.



Re: Yorkie EmmaThursday, March 26, 2009 11:20 PM
From: "chelboucher@aol.com" <chelboucher@aol.com>Add sender to Contacts
To: *******@*****
Emma is not my dog. I was advertising her for someone who contacted me for help. I do everything I can to find great homes for dogs, but I was COMPLETELY misled in this situation. I merely put what she told me on my website. I was told that her husband surprised her with this dog, and she was larger than she wanted, so she wanted me to sell her. I didn’t know she was aggressive, and there was any problem with this dog, or about any of the false advertising. She gave me the pictured I had posted, and I thought she was a cute little girl. Thankfully, a client that I have worked with in the past informed me of what was going on with this dog, and I immediately took her off my website. I have worked so hard to build my reputation, and I sure hope this situation hasn’t ruined it for me. I work with breeders who have bred yorkies for over 40 years, and I sell their dogs for them. I generally don’t sell for other people besides the few breeders that I know and respect, but I wanted to help and all it has done it hurt me. I would like to stay completely out of this situation. I have nothing to do with this dog other than that I was trying to find her a forever home where she could be comfortable and happy. I hate seeing dogs get tossed around. I hope this situation can be resolved for the sake of the poor dog!
Thanks for the e-mail!
Chelsy

-----Original Message-----
From:*****@*****
To: chelboucher@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: Yorkie Emma

I was wondering if you knew what is going on with this thread on YT? Is Emma
your dog?

Thank you for your time


http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...e-dog-you.html

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by WalnutHill

Absolutely that's obvious now - but that SHOULD have been what was done from the beginning, and actually, this person shouldn't be breeding and shouldn't be allowed to advertise on YT anymore....

It just breaks my heart when people don't do the right thing, especially someone who breeds Yorkies!

I agree that the best course of action is a 24-hour cool-off period, and an attempt to rehome her for a fee, then the buyer and seller splittling the losses (i.e. the seller refunding that portion on the loss to the buyer).

I'd say that if you are honest about her, you could ask for $400 as an adoption fee.


You may need to look in to putting her on some rescue sites.

I was thinking $350 - $400 on either a spay contract or whatever I could work out with my vet. I know the humane society does low cost spays, so I'll check with them tomorrow but last I knew, they were booked WAY out.

I would be nothing but honest about her and her disposition. I don't want anyone to have to go through what I'm going through right now. And I really don't think it's fair that I'm being treated as the bad guy when I'm the only person in this transaction that's willing to do the right thing.

Do you have any rescue sites that you would recommend me contact? It's been a few years since I was involved in dog rescue so I'm kinda out of connections here.

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by shannonroselive

I'm with this too. They're all wrong and I have no more sympathy but for poor Emma.
What about this? Chelsea says she doesn't even know these folks and the OP said they were friends????
I'm so confused! This is some dirty deeds!

Again... I'd like to point out that I'm the only one WILLING to do what's right for this dog. Emma is not my responsibility. I didn't accept the responsibility to find her a proper home. I got forced into it because the breeder won't do what she should have done in the first place and stuck me with the task that I wasn't prepared to take on. Had she not misrepresented this dog to me, I would be in this difficult situation and neither would poor Emma. So now I'm the bad guy? How many of you could honestly say you could live with a dog who is aggressive to your 3lb dog and your children? At what point should I accept that she may bite my 4 year old in the face? I'm sorry. I can't do that. I can't take those kinds of risks over a freaking hot dog! This kind of behavior would make anyone desperate. And forgive me for venting to a friend who cared enough to try to help me. That's more than the breeder is doing! She got her money and she's happy. Heck, she even bought a really cute little girl AND a boy just this week. But I'm supposed to just take the financial hit? Could someone please pass me the vaseline? This is getting painful.

Good grief! Stop freaking attacking me. I've been trying to work with the breeder for a week on this. It was after that failed that I had to bring it public. My only gain was so that no one else got hurt by her when I posted this thread.

I'm trying to do the right thing here, but I can't do it by myself. I'm open to all suggestions, so if you have something positive to contribute, please do.