Does this look like the same dog to you?

[Tigerlilyselene]

Originally Posted by Mom2Lulu

Teiya,

I think we can turn all of this negative into a positive. I, personally would hate to see her returned to the seller. It is obviously not in Emma's best interest.

Let's see what we as a group can do to help Emma. We surely can help offset the cost to spay and help reimburse you for some of your expenses.

Let's forget the seller at this point and focus on Emma's future. It looks brighter now than it did 10 minutes ago!

[cedarpointe]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

Wait now your contradicting yourself. I believe Teiya said she never gave the pic to her... and uhh ohhh now Chelsey has "no idea what was going on when she received the pic?? Okay Utah

OH Please how am I contradicting myself. YES SHE HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE SCAMMERS!!!!!! Do not try to turn this around on Chelsey or me!! You guys did this and got an inocent person involed!!! You should both be ashamed!!I hope you learn you lesson and never do this to another dog or person again!!!! She is a beautiful little dog and does not desrve any of this!!!

[amandawash]

Originally Posted by jencar98

I would be willing to help out, IF there is action taken against the breeder......at the very least she should NEVER AGAIN be allowed to sell a dog on YT!

I agree. But I absolutely 100% WILL NOT send one cent of my hard-earned money to let this horrible "breeder" get off scott-free. People like this make me ill and I will not enable this type of behavior.

Sooooooo, when the details get hammered out please let me know. I am not far from SLC (5hrs) and would be able to help that way as well, if needed.

But again, I do not think that anyone's income should go to enabling this person to keep breeding very low-quality dogs and selling them to make a profit with no responsibility for what she's producing.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

Wow and your from Utah and just so happened to come to this thread today to defend everyone.

If she was hooked up with Gina I wouldn't think she would have been the one to "out" the ad that Chesey placed in post #224 (I think I remembered that # right). She is the one that brought the ad to the attention of the forum.

I also thought it was odd that she is supposed to be from Utah, only joined this month and has only posted since this started and also has a dog named Emma, if you read the posts on her profile page. Very unusual coincidences. But none of it is beneficial to Gina so I don't understand what you are hinting at.

Did you see the question posed by Ann/Wylie's Mom? Are you willing to accept the offer proposed by Gina to put an end to this so Emma can get on with the important business of finding a HOME? Or are you going to continue to prioritize building a portfolio of "damning" evidence to make a case against Gina? Please just give her money back, including one way of shipping. And please find a more appropriate home for Emma and her special needs, including getting a spay contract or spaying her before rehoming..

I think this has been hard for everyone and maybe we did get more involved than normal but it is because we always think of YorkieTalk breeders as being above the uncaring ways we hear and read about. It is disheartening when one of our own refuses to put the needs of one of the dogs she was responsible for bringing into this world ahead of her need to make a case against a customer. Not that we think being on YT makes anyone perfect, but it should mean that we care more than the run of the mill $$greeder. JMHO. I sincerely hope you will make the right decision.

[Luckys Momma]

I agree that the money needs to go into ensuring Emma finds a forever home. She has been through enough.

[Breeze]

I will donate $50 also.

[Krystee]

Originally Posted by carsou

This is unbelievable. At first when I read this earlier today I told myself I was not going to post anything in this thread. Then I went to work and all I could think about is Emma. Then when I got off of work I had to get on here and check this thread and another on a lost dog. Hoping for good results to my suprise, I get on here and see more disturbing news. Teiya, I do understand that this is probably hard for you. But how can you come on here and ask us if these pictures are the same dog or not? Meanwhile your friend is posting an ad with those Same pictures? and you even said you truly believe that is NOT the same dog. It just doesnt make sense to me that your friend who is a "good breeder" would post a dog she has never seen with her reputation at sake. The sad part is the ad is a bunch of BS according to you,because you said the description jasmanea listed was false. Would you really want someone to go through what your going through? I see you say that you had no idea but it makes no sense to me. I understand this is your money but can you for one second think about Emma. This is such a shame I do believe you deserve a refund since she wasnt as described, but I do think the shipping should be your lose since you chose to have her shipped. But then that leaves me with one question; why couldnt you get Amanda I believe she was listed as an adult on your friend Chelseys website? I know if my friend was a breeder I'd definitely get one from her over shipping one from someone you dont know. And Jasmenea please do the right thing for Emma and refund the buyer her money back and find a forever home for her. She needs to be in a family with no kids and not other pets. I think both of you are acting childish, its time to do the right thing and step up.
Do whats right for Emma. Please give Emma lots of hugs and kisses from us!

I wasn't going to post anything on this thread either but nicely said You brought up some good points.

[Mom2Lulu]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

If she was hooked up with Gina I wouldn't think she would have been the one to "out" the ad that Chesey placed in post #224 (I think I remembered that # right). She is the one that brought the ad to the attention of the forum.

I also thought it was odd that she is supposed to be from Utah, only joined this month and has only posted since this started and also has a dog named Emma, if you read the posts on her profile page. Very unusual coincidences. But none of it is beneficial to Gina so I don't understand what you are hinting at.

Did you see the question posed by Ann/Wylie's Mom? Are you willing to accept the offer proposed by Gina to put an end to this so Emma can get on with the important business of finding a HOME? Or are you going to continue to prioritize building a portfolio of "damning" evidence to make a case against Gina? Please just give her money back, including one way of shipping. And please find a more appropriate home for Emma and her special needs, including getting a spay contract or spaying her before rehoming..

I think this has been hard for everyone and maybe we did get more involved than normal but it is because we always think of YorkieTalk breeders as being above the uncaring ways we hear and read about. It is disheartening when one of our own refuses to put the needs of one of the dogs she was responsible for bringing into this world ahead of her need to make a case against a customer. Not that we think being on YT makes anyone perfect, but it should mean that we care more than the run of the mill $. JMHO. I sincerely hope you will make the right decision.

Wow. Awesome post.
:thum bup:: thumbup:

[Teiya]

I need to clarify some things here before anything else is said....

Chelsey is NOT a broker. She helps breeders place dogs in appropriate homes. She's probably one of the best breeders I know and sells her dogs only after doing vet checks, home checks, etc like any GOOD breeder who cares about about their dogs would. Her puppies all come with a health guarantee and if ANYTHING is wrong medically or circumstantially, she gladly takes the dog back and refunds the money, no questions asked.

PLEASE don't drag Chelsey's name through the mud here. She's a kind, caring person with good quality puppies and was working with me prior to the purchase of Emma but she didn't feel any of the dogs she had available would be a good fit to my home and was HONEST with me about this. She wouldn't dare place a dog in a situation where it wouldn't prosper or she'd have given me what ever and taken my money. But she didn't do that. Instead, she was honest.

She was only trying to help place Emma in a proper situation like she should have been in the first place. She cares about what happens but wasn't truly aware of the entire situation or the disposition of Emma. In the end, she was only intending to refer interested people to me. Where Emma went rested on me, NOT Chelsey. All Chelsey was trying to do was get her out there to get her out of my home and where she needed to be.

Our intentions for whatever happened with Emma was for the person to come meet her first. Something that if I would have gotten to do, I would have known she wasn't a good fit and we wouldn't be here today.

[LilMissy]

Ya know...it breaks my heart to see Emma tossed around like an old piece of furniture. She is a living being and deserves more respect then that.

After borrowing 3,500 myself for Missy's emergency leg surgery, I can not afford to help financially. I kind of agree with Amanda though. Is donating money really the solution to this problem? I think it's up to Jasmanea to get Emma back and rehome her. I just could not live with myself if I put a dog into this type of situation and didn't fix it. I really hope that she makes the right decision.

[roxies_mom]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

God Bless people I have to get back on here and spell it out for you. I have stepped aside as to not keep bashing her and say what I know... man can't you all figure out the plot line now... SHE IS A BREEDER AND THIS IS HER AD.

BINGO

Someone please check into the logistics of the pic and see this was posted IN UTAH! I don't live in UTAH. This is where she lives. Now I'm going to sleep and hopefully some light bulbs finally go off! I'm going to post it again before she goes and deletes her ad:





Post Date: Mar 25th, 2009
Expire Date: Apr 24th, 2009
Days Online: 2 days
Days Left: 28 days
Page Views: 141
Sellers Account: 669 days old
$80000
CKC Female Yorkshire Terrier *Yorkie* FOR SALE Teacup Yorkie, Yorkshire Terrier, Yorkie Breeder, Miniature Terrier Puppy, Puppy Breeding
West Jordan, UT 84084 - Mar 25, 2009
This is the fun-loving little Emma. She is just over a year old, and was born December 6, 2007. She weighs in at 6 1/2 pounds and is full-grown. Emma is fully potty trained and very well-tempered. She has a very sweet disposition, and loves attention. Emma recently had a vet visit on the 13th of March, and has been given a clean bill of health, along with her full vaccinations. She is the perfect size for breeding, and due into heat anytime. Save yourself the headache of puppy-training, and don't miss the chance to buy this beautiful little girl. Emma is CKC registered.

I am a small breeder, and I have a website in which I advertise top-quality yorkies in the area. I work with the best breeders in Utah to help them find loving homes for their pups. Avoid getting caught in a scam...visit my website at Teacup Yorkie, Yorkshire Terrier, Yorkie Breeder, Miniature Terrier Puppy, Puppy Breeding

**Hey "Gina" middle name not Regina.. I'll be keeping this in our files as well

I'm going to post it again before she goes and deletes her ad:

My question is how did the seller know that would be deleted so quickly?

[Mom2Lulu]

Originally Posted by LilMissy

Ya know...it breaks my heart to see Emma tossed around like an old piece of furniture. She is a living being and deserves more respect then that.

After borrowing 3,500 myself for Missy's emergency leg surgery, I can not afford to help financially. I kind of agree with Amanda though. Is donating money really the solution to this problem? I think it's up to Jasmanea to get Emma back and rehome her. I just could not live with myself if I put a dog into this type of situation and didn't fix it. I really hope that she makes the right decision.

Oh dear, I can't tolerate the thought of Emma returning to Jasmanea. I think that is just wrong, since response after response clearly indicates she doesn't really give a hoot about her. I'd rather help Teiya offset some of her expenses and know that whowever gets Emma will be screened by someone who has her best interests at heart.

[Jemma]

I am so happy that I am new here. I don't know the seller or the buyer. Therefore I can say honestly how I see things after reading TWENTY pages of this. I believe this post should have been closed awhile back.
Reviews were no longer being given. It eventually came to taking sides as the posts continued.
I may be mistaken but I believe in the beginning the buyer said the seller would give her money back but not shipping. The seller also said she offered to reimburse her. The thread should have stopped right there. Now there is all this mud slinging that starts toward the seller, maybe deserving, maybe not. But if I had a hundred people jumping on me, I would probably start to become angry and back away too. And the main reason I would have been pissed was because all this personnel stuff was allowed to continue, to page 21?
This became more than a review. The more posts that were allowed, the more heated it became. Everyone loves their Yorkies so of course we look at the dog first.
So here we are, 21 pages later and what really was resolved? If we stopped a long time ago, it might have been resolved. I think we were just adding fuel to a already existing fire. It is amazing how things grow, how words are changed. Kinda like playing telephone in the 1st grade. Say a sentence and pass it on. What you hear at the end is not even close to what the real sentence was.
I truly believe in my heart that this thread should be closed. Perhaps if the drama were ended, maybe something could happen. I said maybe. lol
As a Administrator on another board, not dog related, we are well away of how dangerous posts can become if allowed to go too long. Next you have people against people, not healthy for any forum. I hope I don't get banned for expressing my opinion. I'm not bashing buyer or seller. Just hoping you'll all agree that Admin. should now close the thread. And more important, hoping and praying that Emma will finally come to some peace in a loving, forever home.

Peace

[QuickSilver]

I applaud everyone who has offered to help financially or with time. I know that admin said a few weeks ago that YT does not allow donation solicitations because of the possibility of fraud.

I want to do the right thing here while respecting the rules of YT. Assuming this cannot be worked out between the buyer and the seller, is there a way to move this off YT? My first thought is that someone with a website could set up a temporary page with a summary of the situation and someone like Wylie's Mom can handle the funds. Alternatively, if this is okay, maybe a seller could post "Emma shares" for sale and those interested can "buy" via Paypal.

Clearly there are a lot of "if"s here, but want to figure out a way people can help.

[LilMissy]

Originally Posted by Mom2Lulu

Oh dear, I can't tolerate the thought of Emma returning to Jasmanea. I think that is just wrong, since response after response clearly indicates she doesn't really give a hoot about her. I'd rather help Teiya offset some of her expenses and know that whowever gets Emma will be screened by someone who has her best interests at heart.

Teiya did the same thing! They both put up the SAME EXACT advertisement for this dog. I do not believe for one second that Chelsey put that ad up without Teiya being aware. All THREE of them have done wrong in my eyes.

Just from a legal stand point, I think it's Jasmanea's responsibility to give a refund for Emma.