Does this look like the same dog to you?

[MaddieBoo]

Originally Posted by Teiya

Again... I'd like to point out that I'm the only one WILLING to do what's right for this dog. Emma is not my responsibility. I didn't accept the responsibility to find her a proper home. I got forced into it because the breeder won't do what she should have done in the first place and stuck me with the task that I wasn't prepared to take on. Had she not misrepresented this dog to me, I would be in this difficult situation and neither would poor Emma. So now I'm the bad guy? How many of you could honestly say you could live with a dog who is aggressive to your 3lb dog and your children? At what point should I accept that she may bite my 4 year old in the face? I'm sorry. I can't do that. I can't take those kinds of risks over a freaking hot dog! This kind of behavior would make anyone desperate. And forgive me for venting to a friend who cared enough to try to help me. That's more than the breeder is doing! She got her money and she's happy. Heck, she even bought a really cute little girl AND a boy just this week. But I'm supposed to just take the financial hit? Could someone please pass me the vaseline? This is getting painful.

Good grief! Stop freaking attacking me. I've been trying to work with the breeder for a week on this. It was after that failed that I had to bring it public. My only gain was so that no one else got hurt by her when I posted this thread.

I'm trying to do the right thing here, but I can't do it by myself. I'm open to all suggestions, so if you have something positive to contribute, please do.

Just my opinion, but by posting these types of things, you are really not helping your case. Emma is absolutely your responsibility! She is your dog! And it is very sad and quite ridiculous that you would say it isn't your responsibility. While I sympathize that she has not been a good match for you, and that you cannot seem to work things out to give her back, it does not absolve you from your responsibility as her owner. Period. She deserves as much care and attention as any pup looking for a forever home.

[LilMissy]

Originally Posted by MaddieBoo

Just my opinion, but by posting these types of things, you are really not helping your case. Emma is absolutely your responsibility! She is your dog! And it is very sad and quite ridiculous that you would say it isn't your responsibility. While I sympathize that she has not been a good match for you, and that you cannot seem to work things out to give her back, it does not absolve you from your responsibility as her owner. Period. She deserves as much care and attention as any pup looking for a forever home.

ITA! You made a mistake and that was by not going to the breeders home and viewing her before purchasing. Also, where is the contract? I'm not saying you're the bad guy here Gina. You were obviously misled by the seller in this purchase, BUT you should have taken better steps to protect yourself. The first redflag would have been the request for payment by moneygram. Emma is your responsibility now, and so is dealing with this situation. You either have to go to court to get a refund because the seller isn't cooperating, or rehome Emma on your own. It sucks, I know!

And someone can tell me to shut up at anytime, this whole thread is really none of my business. I'm just a huge animal lover, and I can't keep my opinion to myself in these types of situations.

[shannonroselive]

Originally Posted by Teiya

Again... I'd like to point out that I'm the only one WILLING to do what's right for this dog. Emma is not my responsibility. I didn't accept the responsibility to find her a proper home. I got forced into it because the breeder won't do what she should have done in the first place and stuck me with the task that I wasn't prepared to take on. Had she not misrepresented this dog to me, I would be in this difficult situation and neither would poor Emma. So now I'm the bad guy? How many of you could honestly say you could live with a dog who is aggressive to your 3lb dog and your children? At what point should I accept that she may bite my 4 year old in the face? I'm sorry. I can't do that. I can't take those kinds of risks over a freaking hot dog! This kind of behavior would make anyone desperate. And forgive me for venting to a friend who cared enough to try to help me. That's more than the breeder is doing! She got her money and she's happy. Heck, she even bought a really cute little girl AND a boy just this week. But I'm supposed to just take the financial hit? Could someone please pass me the vaseline? This is getting painful.

Good grief! Stop freaking attacking me. I've been trying to work with the breeder for a week on this. It was after that failed that I had to bring it public. My only gain was so that no one else got hurt by her when I posted this thread.

I'm trying to do the right thing here, but I can't do it by myself. I'm open to all suggestions, so if you have something positive to contribute, please do.

K, settle down. I am not ATTACKING anyone. I simply said I don't fully buy any of it. Too much garbage on all sides.
And how can you say Emma is not your responsibility? I totally think the breeder did you wrong. See my first post on this massive thread. I said you got screwed and baited and switched BUT you aren't innocent here and got what you paid for. You didn't go see the dog, parents, breeders home. You know the drill. You hang out here and knew not to do that but you did it anyway. Now each of you has to pay a price only Emma has to pay the biggest debt all because NONE of you did the right thing to begin with.

[shannonroselive]

Oh, and to answer your previous question to me, hell no I wouldn't put my kids in that situation. Which is why EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY KIDS WENT WITH US TO PICK OUT THE PUPPY...at the breeders house...with the puppys parents there to see and play with. Like I learned I was to do by reading and doing my homework.

And from what I read in Chelsea's email, you aren't friends with her, she doesn't know you.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by Teiya

I completely agree. I love this site, even if I haven't been on it very long. The people here are amazing, generous and so very helpful!

We WILL pursue it legally. I'll call my attorney in the morning and see what I have to do to get it started.

Ultimately, Emma needs to be spayed before placement. I'll talk to my vet tomorrow and explain the situation and see if he'd be willing to give me a discount on Emma's spay. I bring parrots to him every week for rescue and he gives our organization a discount for them, so it's worth asking since I have a good relationship with Dr Orr. I can't afford any more out of my pocket. I've lost so much as it is, so getting this done would depend on how much money we could come up with.

I vote give this pup to Yorkie Haven. Jodi would find this pup the best home. You were saying that you rescue birds. Well my husband bought me a Cockatoo from the petstore that was 5 years old. The moment he came into my house he hated me and only loved my husband and children. I fed him and cleaned his cage everyday but he would fly at me bite me and cut me so bad I had to have stiches. I had to find a rescue for him and just wrote off the 1000 dollars spent on this bird. The rescue group still has him and my husband visits about once a month. Do you get my story. We have all made mistakes and learn from them but do the right thing for the pup, which I know you will. Lissette

[Jacklynn]

N/M

I just hope to dog gets where it will be loved forever.

[jeanm1963]

All I can say is WOW!! I just read this thread and I cant believe how many people say just eat her 1000.00 WRONG ANSWER:

First it doesnt look at all like the same dog
Second , Im sure purchasing this from a YT member she thought she
was buying from someone reputable and honest
third, She has little children, no way would I put my kids at risk near anyones aggressive animal. Today a nip tomorrow a bite!!
If the dog is a wonderful as the seller claims, just give her her money back and call it a day , let the seller rehome her!! Sheesh
1000.00 dollars is alot of money these days to just say oh well lesson learned, lets remember here that this poor woman was trying to be nice and purchase a older dog that needed to be rehomed and paying good money at that.
Its not like she saying ohh Emma pees on the floor I want my money back , or she barks to much.. she is saying she feels her CHILDRENS SAFETY IS AT RISK... I think that counts for something....

[yorkiemomto4]

Originally Posted by amanda350

Just wondering if anyone saw this..... This seems to contradict what the buyer said about not knowing that Chelsey put Emma on her website....I myself am not forking over any of my hard earned money for dishonest people... Don't let this post make you think I agree with you either jasmanea...SHAME ON BOTH OF YOU!!

I was wondering also if anybody read this....im really confused now....i just hope this poor baby dont fall into the wrong hands.

[AngelWorks]

Originally Posted by amanda350

Just wondering if anyone saw this..... This seems to contradict what the buyer said about not knowing that Chelsey put Emma on her website....I myself am not forking over any of my hard earned money for dishonest people... Don't let this post make you think I agree with you either jasmanea...SHAME ON BOTH OF YOU!!

My feelings exactly. I can not believe the OP turned around and did the same thing that outraged her and she felt scammed about.

I agree the dog needs help.

The buyer at this point and the seller need a time out.

[zorrolinchen]

I had a girlfriend which bought years ago a young poodle for their children. After two weeks no one in this family wanted the dog longer and Frankie (the poodle) was sitting the whole day in the basement. After long dicussions I gave her 800 euro (what she paid for him) to save him and take him to my home. A colleague wanted him and gave me 500 euro for him. 3 days later he brought him back to me because he was not wiiling to work with Frankie. I gave the money back. It was sure that I can´t have Frankie myself because of my job situation but I wanted to find the best home and placed ads in the newspaper. No one wanted him. My mothers neighbour saw me with Frankie walking and - to make it shorter - Frankie is since 10 years the beloved happy pet of the neighbours family. And I never required any payment from the neighbours because it was most important for me that he has his own forever loving home.
At this time I was hard working and hadn´t much money. But to save Frankie and make him happy was much better than to got payment for him. Frankie wasn´t my dog but I had responsible feelings for him (I´m a great dog and catlover) and wanted to do the best for this little poor soul.

Please, think about.

Emma can´t decide where she can goes so you must do this. It will be give you a good feeling to know that she is a very loving pet in a new family and that is better to know than to have the money. Please, believe me.
I wish the best for little Emma and send you my best wishes.

(Sorry for my bad english, I´m from germany).

[clm56]

~Prayers and hugs for Emma.

May she find her forever home soon!!

[steeleandco]

Originally Posted by Mybabyboymax

i couldnt have said it better myself

Please ignore your human egos and find a good home for this dog

[rentfrog]

I initially thought I would just read this thread like most others on yt. I tend to be a thread killer, or not get much response so tend to "sit quietly in the back of the class and observe".
People on yt seem to be very concerned for all yorkies and tend to jump on the bandwagon to defend them. That is a great thing, but can also set people up for these types of situations.
Let's take a moment to truly look at this thread in a broken down form
1) OP questions whether the two dogs look the same
2) OP states that she feels she was duped and seller is not taking responsibility
3)Seller comes on to slam OP for supposedly not taking care of the pup and threatening legal recourse for slander.
4)OP comes on to say that is all lies
5) OP husband comes on to say he will sue if seller does not take responsibility
6) outsider comes on to say pup is posted in ads on other sites under same information original seller used to sell this dog
7) Seller IMMEDIATELY comes on to slam op again (therefore she must be watching very closely even though she states she is moving on)
8) OP comes back on to say that those ads were all an accident and she wants what is best for the dog.
9) YT members start to offer money for the well being of said pup
10) OP starts to actively plan a resolution to the outcome of pup.

Several things of note here,

1) OP was offered at least a partial refund in writing.
2) OP is responsible for due diligence in any purchase, therefore she is responsible for the pup once it comes into her home.
3) Seller NEVER at any point showed concern for the well being of pup
4)OP has not explained why her "friend" says she does not know her or why the other ad was posted.
5) Seller is no longer posting on this thread

Now I am not stating anything by pointing out these facts. Just wanting to rationally break it down so emotions are not all that is playing into others reactions.

Who knows, I am known for killing threads, maybe the norm will happen.

[jasmanea]

I am going to keep posting this quote the Breeze investigated. If any of you (and I won't say all because of all my friend requests and pms and posts on my side out of this-I am not referring you your supportiveness) think that my "reputation is surrounded in Yt you have got to be kidding. The busy bodies that are so interested in something they know nothing about should go back and see?? what 4 posts out of 900 that are actually selling a dog?? I am not a huge breeder and don't need YT to sell are you kidding? I don't even have enough litters to have to...it is just an additional means. I did not"breed" Emma. I owned her briefly before Sara purchased her months ago. She came back to my less than a few days when Gina said she wanted her. Everything in our phone conversations was discussed. MANY hours. You all can ASSume all you want. You weren't there and have no clue. I did offer her a REFUND.She said no and that she WANTED to keep her. She also turned around and had a broker sell her and advertise her as a breeder. She told me she promised to spay her asap. I am not the "breeder" of Emma. No I don't want anything else to do with this as I offered/she declined and also is very much appreciative everyone else will be paying for her lies. Please read the quote again and AGAIN ...however many times it would take to actually sink in for some of you. She IS NOT friends with Chelsey as she claims. Read Chelseys response. She does not know her and posted EXACTLY what Gina requested of her. Now I do think Gina does have "updated pics" right. Of the supposed wrong dog (and for many of you that don't think she is the same dog-just as many do. Please please go for the legal Dave. We will be well taken care of and you will loose. We will also bring Chelseys info in this as well as to your "misrepresentation of an acurate picture". You don't intimitate me or my family with your threats and yes my husband can bench more than you can. My family does not get intimidated. Call it an italian thing. So your wasting your breath. Our family is well versed in the legal areana so if you want to keep threatening please put your money where your mouth is. We can and will accomodate. Please for everyone else that is so willing to side with the "honest" "done wrong buyer" read again the quote below. I have 900 posts and 97% of all of them are simply complimenting or asking questions. So no I won't be going anywhere and just because of a few misguided responses.... I wish I could copy all the pms that are so supportive as well, but they don't want to be involved in the high school drama. I wonder why people still don't get the fact that I offered the refund, she declined, then posted Emma as a breeder. I am no longer going to pay her for her B.S and HER choice at having Emma shipped. Ummm and again... I don't have a "reputation" on here. Nor desire to have one. Anyone can see that by my other 897 posts :-)

Originally Posted by Breeze

This is the response I got from Chelsy when I emailed her concerned for Emma: I hope she does not mind.



Re: Yorkie EmmaThursday, March 26, 2009 11:20 PM
From: "chelboucher@aol.com" <chelboucher@aol.com>Add sender to Contacts
To: *******@*****
Emma is not my dog. I was advertising her for someone who contacted me for help. I do everything I can to find great homes for dogs, but I was COMPLETELY misled in this situation. I merely put what she told me on my website. I was told that her husband surprised her with this dog, and she was larger than she wanted, so she wanted me to sell her. I didn’t know she was aggressive, and there was any problem with this dog, or about any of the false advertising. She gave me the pictured I had posted, and I thought she was a cute little girl. Thankfully, a client that I have worked with in the past informed me of what was going on with this dog, and I immediately took her off my website. I have worked so hard to build my reputation, and I sure hope this situation hasn’t ruined it for me. I work with breeders who have bred yorkies for over 40 years, and I sell their dogs for them. I generally don’t sell for other people besides the few breeders that I know and respect, but I wanted to help and all it has done it hurt me. I would like to stay completely out of this situation. I have nothing to do with this dog other than that I was trying to find her a forever home where she could be comfortable and happy. I hate seeing dogs get tossed around. I hope this situation can be resolved for the sake of the poor dog!
Thanks for the e-mail!
Chelsy

-----Original Message-----
From:*****@*****
To: chelboucher@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: Yorkie Emma

I was wondering if you knew what is going on with this thread on YT? Is Emma
your dog?

Thank you for your time


http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...e-dog-you.html

[jasmanea]

hmmmmmmm pretty good

Originally Posted by rentfrog

I initially thought I would just read this thread like most others on yt. I tend to be a thread killer, or not get much response so tend to "sit quietly in the back of the class and observe".
People on yt seem to be very concerned for all yorkies and tend to jump on the bandwagon to defend them. That is a great thing, but can also set people up for these types of situations.
Let's take a moment to truly look at this thread in a broken down form
1) OP questions whether the two dogs look the same
2) OP states that she feels she was duped and seller is not taking responsibility
3)Seller comes on to slam OP for supposedly not taking care of the pup and threatening legal recourse for slander.
4)OP comes on to say that is all lies
5) OP husband comes on to say he will sue if seller does not take responsibility
6) outsider comes on to say pup is posted in ads on other sites under same information original seller used to sell this dog (OP said her friend did it)
7) Seller IMMEDIATELY comes on to slam op again (therefore she must be watching very closely even though she states she is moving on) (seller has a life and doesn't sit on OP all day)8) OP comes back on to say that those ads were all an accident and she wants what is best for the dog. (Her "friend" says she doesn't even know her)9) YT members start to offer money for the well being of said pup (they mean well, I guess but even though they can clearly see what she did and how she posted the ad under Chelsey-umm clearly what was it... misrepresenting the dog10) OP starts to actively plan a resolution to the outcome of pup.

Several things of note here,

1) OP was offered at least a partial refund in writing.
2) OP is responsible for due diligence in any purchase, therefore she is responsible for the pup once it comes into her home.
3) Seller NEVER at any point showed concern for the well being of pup (see #1)
4)OP has not explained why her "friend" says she does not know her or why the other ad was posted.
5) Seller is no longer posting on this thread (much better non judmental threads to post on) Especially by people only reading and not knowing facts and those that do contine to make excuses for the "buyer"Now I am not stating anything by pointing out these facts. Just wanting to rationally break it down so emotions are not all that is playing into others reactions.

Who knows, I am known for killing threads, maybe the norm will happen. (Doubt it-you know people just love to spout negativity and thrive on drama.. gee if they didn't have that they would have to go back to an empty non peaceful life. If people were filled with peace and love their wouldn't be any of this.. nor even a start.. Emma would have found a new home through the buyer as she now owns her instead of being shipped back, yet again, and then going to yet another home. Seems like it would be best if she skipped the additional home Even a puppy is only returned through the majority of breeders from either hereditary or congenital disorders not a 48 hour (yes 48 hour trial of seeing if a dog is a good fit)