Does this look like the same dog to you?

[jasmanea]

Again Chelsy does not know Gina only posted the ad for her per her request.




Originally Posted by Breeze
This is the response I got from Chelsy when I emailed her concerned for Emma: I hope she does not mind.



Re: Yorkie EmmaThursday, March 26, 2009 11:20 PM
From: "chelboucher@aol.com" <chelboucher@aol.com>Add sender to Contacts
To: *******@*****
Emma is not my dog. I was advertising her for someone who contacted me for help. I do everything I can to find great homes for dogs, but I was COMPLETELY misled in this situation. I merely put what she told me on my website. I was told that her husband surprised her with this dog, and she was larger than she wanted, so she wanted me to sell her. I didn’t know she was aggressive, and there was any problem with this dog, or about any of the false advertising. She gave me the pictured I had posted, and I thought she was a cute little girl. Thankfully, a client that I have worked with in the past informed me of what was going on with this dog, and I immediately took her off my website. I have worked so hard to build my reputation, and I sure hope this situation hasn’t ruined it for me. I work with breeders who have bred yorkies for over 40 years, and I sell their dogs for them. I generally don’t sell for other people besides the few breeders that I know and respect, but I wanted to help and all it has done it hurt me. I would like to stay completely out of this situation. I have nothing to do with this dog other than that I was trying to find her a forever home where she could be comfortable and happy. I hate seeing dogs get tossed around. I hope this situation can be resolved for the sake of the poor dog!
Thanks for the e-mail!
Chelsy

-----Original Message-----
From:*****@*****
To: chelboucher@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: Yorkie Emma

I was wondering if you knew what is going on with this thread on YT? Is Emma
your dog?

Thank you for your time

[drabinowitz43]

I was checking my emails before work and was shocked and disturbed to see that this thread hasn't been closed yet. I was involved in a dispute with a breeder over very valid issues regarding genetics and breeding and not simply money, and the thread was very suddenly closed, seemingly out of nowhere, and any further discussion which might actually have helped regarding the proper breeding of Yorkies, and was actually quite productive, was abruptly ended. This seller has just said she did not breed Emma, am I right? Why is this still going on? This is a dispute between a buyer and a seller, a commercial transaction. Yes, there is a poor little Yorkie stuck in the middle and I know we want what's best for her. But I am appalled that people would offer money to a family that made a mistake and now need to re-home their dog. This happens all the time. Thank goodness Emma is not at a shelter or in an abusive situation. Why don't people spend their money helping those dogs. Let these people work out their differences off of this forum. The OP is obviously going to take good care of this dog until a new situation is found. This is not a pit bull who is attacking people and is chained up in the backyard. This has been a wake-up call to me that maybe I need to take a break from YT for awhile.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

Again Chelsy does not know Gina only posted the ad for her per her request.




Originally Posted by Breeze
This is the response I got from Chelsy when I emailed her concerned for Emma: I hope she does not mind.



Re: Yorkie EmmaThursday, March 26, 2009 11:20 PM
From: "chelboucher@aol.com" <chelboucher@aol.com>Add sender to Contacts
To: *******@*****
Emma is not my dog. I was advertising her for someone who contacted me for help. I do everything I can to find great homes for dogs, but I was COMPLETELY misled in this situation. I merely put what she told me on my website. I was told that her husband surprised her with this dog, and she was larger than she wanted, so she wanted me to sell her. I didn’t know she was aggressive, and there was any problem with this dog, or about any of the false advertising. She gave me the pictured I had posted, and I thought she was a cute little girl. Thankfully, a client that I have worked with in the past informed me of what was going on with this dog, and I immediately took her off my website. I have worked so hard to build my reputation, and I sure hope this situation hasn’t ruined it for me. I work with breeders who have bred yorkies for over 40 years, and I sell their dogs for them. I generally don’t sell for other people besides the few breeders that I know and respect, but I wanted to help and all it has done it hurt me. I would like to stay completely out of this situation. I have nothing to do with this dog other than that I was trying to find her a forever home where she could be comfortable and happy. I hate seeing dogs get tossed around. I hope this situation can be resolved for the sake of the poor dog!
Thanks for the e-mail!
Chelsy

-----Original Message-----
From:*****@*****
To: chelboucher@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: Yorkie Emma

I was wondering if you knew what is going on with this thread on YT? Is Emma
your dog?

Thank you for your time

It is a real shame your not more concerned about what will happen with Emma. She is the one that I feel sorry for

[jasmanea]

Originally Posted by LilMissy

I took a screenshot of the original ad. If it's inappropriate to post it, please remove this admin.

page 17 and 18 of this thread

[jasmanea]

Actually I would think this would be really bad for YT in allowing it to continue as it shows just how quick people are to judge without FACTS and without being a part of private conversations or emails. Bad weather outside so while I am continued to be bashed I'll just continue to post while keeping all records of this. Don't judge others until you judge yourself? Guess that has fallen by the way side along with the pledge of allegiance.

[karlaparis88]

Whether you find Gina a "horrible person" or whatever, I still think that as a breeder breeding for the love of the breed should take your pup or work something else out so that Emma is sold to a wonderful home in Utah and not being shipped around. If you cared about your pups and you realized this wasn't the home for Emma, you would drop what you are doing and bring your baby back. And this would've been done privately. Since it wasn't, all the dirty laundry is out. So to speak, both of you are irresponsible, and I find the breeder(yes you Christin) even more so. Why are you still bringing up the ad? Yea its fishy, but what does that matter?? How is that going to find a home for Emma?? What you have to do is put your differences aside and help Gina with expenses so that Emma is put in a loving and fit home.

I also do NOT think sending money to the buyer is going to help the situation, this site is too big and I will believe it will get out of hand. Especially in the economy we are in.

Christin, who cares about the PMs, and Visitor Messages and emails of support, I bet you are getting evil and bad ones too, as well as the seller receiving both kinds. Dont' bring that stuff up....

My REVIEWS for the Breeder.

1. I do not think you are a responsible breeder
2. I do believe that you do not care for Emma because of Gina's attitude
3. Why haven't you agreed to any other negotiation that has been posted on this thread?
4. YT probably won't harm your reputation for you selling your pups, but you may not be looked the same way ever again.
5. It doesn't matter to me whether your mother bought you a new adult yorkie and her pup, I too think that is fishy, you did buy her right after you sold Emma and now you wont work with her? Is it because you no longer have the money to help out a pup that you help be born?
6. Great breeders handle every situation with their pups privately so that it doesnt get to this (bashing threads, negative reviews, etc.) where it can affect their reputation whether it does harm or not.



This is my review of the breeder. I have much more to say but are not appropriate. I just think of the few posts that the seller has typed on this thread has given me a bad impression. And I am not taking sides.... Gina now knows her mistake and is now and has to keep maning up to it.... but the seller keeps on bashing. eh.... i have nothing more to say.

Originally Posted by jasmanea

I am going to keep posting this quote the Breeze investigated. If any of you (and I won't say all because of all my friend requests and pms and posts on my side out of this-I am not referring you your supportiveness) think that my "reputation is surrounded in Yt you have got to be kidding. The busy bodies that are so interested in something they know nothing about should go back and see?? what 4 posts out of 900 that are actually selling a dog?? I am not a huge breeder and don't need YT to sell are you kidding? I don't even have enough litters to have to...it is just an additional means. I did not"breed" Emma. I owned her briefly before Sara purchased her months ago. She came back to my less than a few days when Gina said she wanted her. Everything in our phone conversations was discussed. MANY hours. You all can ASSume all you want. You weren't there and have no clue. I did offer her a REFUND.She said no and that she WANTED to keep her. She also turned around and had a broker sell her and advertise her as a breeder. She told me she promised to spay her asap. I am not the "breeder" of Emma. No I don't want anything else to do with this as I offered/she declined and also is very much appreciative everyone else will be paying for her lies. Please read the quote again and AGAIN ...however many times it would take to actually sink in for some of you. She IS NOT friends with Chelsey as she claims. Read Chelseys response. She does not know her and posted EXACTLY what Gina requested of her. Now I do think Gina does have "updated pics" right. Of the supposed wrong dog (and for many of you that don't think she is the same dog-just as many do. Please please go for the legal Dave. We will be well taken care of and you will loose. We will also bring Chelseys info in this as well as to your "misrepresentation of an acurate picture". You don't intimitate me or my family with your threats and yes my husband can bench more than you can. My family does not get intimidated. Call it an italian thing. So your wasting your breath. Our family is well versed in the legal areana so if you want to keep threatening please put your money where your mouth is. We can and will accomodate. Please for everyone else that is so willing to side with the "honest" "done wrong buyer" read again the quote below. I have 900 posts and 97% of all of them are simply complimenting or asking questions. So no I won't be going anywhere and just because of a few misguided responses.... I wish I could copy all the pms that are so supportive as well, but they don't want to be involved in the high school drama. I wonder why people still don't get the fact that I offered the refund, she declined, then posted Emma as a breeder. I am no longer going to pay her for her B.S and HER choice at having Emma shipped. Ummm and again... I don't have a "reputation" on here. Nor desire to have one. Anyone can see that by my other 897 posts :-)

[jasmanea]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

page 17 and 18 of this thread

[jasmanea]

Originally Posted by chachi

It is a real shame your not more concerned about what will happen with Emma. She is the one that I feel sorry for

Originally Posted by Breeze
This is the response I got from Chelsy when I emailed her concerned for Emma: I hope she does not mind.



Re: Yorkie EmmaThursday, March 26, 2009 11:20 PM
From: "chelboucher@aol.com" <chelboucher@aol.com>Add sender to Contacts
To: *******@*****
Emma is not my dog. I was advertising her for someone who contacted me for help. I do everything I can to find great homes for dogs, but I was COMPLETELY misled in this situation. I merely put what she told me on my website. I was told that her husband surprised her with this dog, and she was larger than she wanted, so she wanted me to sell her. I didn’t know she was aggressive, and there was any problem with this dog, or about any of the false advertising. She gave me the pictured I had posted, and I thought she was a cute little girl. Thankfully, a client that I have worked with in the past informed me of what was going on with this dog, and I immediately took her off my website. I have worked so hard to build my reputation, and I sure hope this situation hasn’t ruined it for me. I work with breeders who have bred yorkies for over 40 years, and I sell their dogs for them. I generally don’t sell for other people besides the few breeders that I know and respect, but I wanted to help and all it has done it hurt me. I would like to stay completely out of this situation. I have nothing to do with this dog other than that I was trying to find her a forever home where she could be comfortable and happy. I hate seeing dogs get tossed around. I hope this situation can be resolved for the sake of the poor dog!
Thanks for the e-mail!
Chelsy

-----Original Message-----
From:*****@*****
To: chelboucher@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: Yorkie Emma

I was wondering if you knew what is going on with this thread on YT? Is Emma
your dog?

Thank you for your time

[Jemma]

This is my last contribution on this topic. I have gone threw all the pages and copy and pasted what seemed important by both seller and buyer.

Asked buyer if a return was offered. Her response

"Yes and no. She's kinda offered a return option but it was under extreme protest."

Well either she did or didn't!

Buyer states:

I'd be willing to ship the dog back at MY expense, but I feel she should reimburse me what I sent her for the dog I spent $1110, but $1050 of that
was the dog, vetting and shipping.

'll eat the return shipping but I do think she should reimburse what she initially collected from me.

Seller states:

i did offer her money back at first and told her she did need to pay for the shipping. (that was her choice to have the dog shipped)

YOU CHOSE TO KEEP HER AFTER I OFFERED YOU TO SEND HER BACK.

You were well aware of the "aggression" and you ASSURED me many times over that you knew "click training, behavioral training, etc..

This is exactly what I did. I am not posting the nasty stuff in her email, but she stated prior that yes I did offer to refund the purchase price of the yorkie. I have copies of the emails. She then stated she did not want to send her back.


I believe that the breeder simply stopped talking because of this: Her statement:

I have offered the refund as previously stated. All my emails are now personal as they were before I was so blatantly thrown under the bus by the OP. So on that note. Every other opinion is really speculation and pointless. The OP whose name is Erin should have kept it personal. Oh well. I have sold many puppies/dogs on Yt and this is just a tiny thorn. Never had one single negative thing said about any of them.Thanks for all the private pms that advised me not to bother writing any more in this thread.
End of copy and paste.


It became way too personnel on YT. In the first 8 pages of this thread many people said this discussion should be taken off the board, it is between the buyer and seller.
The buyer was willing to eat the shipping. The seller said ok but you have to pay the shipping. So what happened?? The buyer has nothing. No contract, that is sad. The seller, you should have given a contract.
No money for spaying but money to talk to a lawyer about suing? Now YT is going to fund all this and you are going to accept it??

Now it is all out of hand with YT giving money to help place Emma.
There is way too much going on for me to contribute to this. It got out of hand. Moerators and Admin. just let this go too far. IMHO
I'm off to see the recent pictures of our Yorkie babies. And to maybe participate in sharing more of mine.
Good luck to all of YT members involved in this. I simply no longer care who is right or who is wrong. I wonder how much Emma is feeling out of all this? Poor baby.
And to the buyer, YES, Emma is your responsibility. You chose to buy her the way you did. If anything, I guess this taught us all something.
I guess the seller said what she did in the beginning and now chooses not to engage in 25 pages of controversy. At this point, I now can't blame her. I believe when the 2 agreed to what they first said above, it should have been done then. But it just went on and on and on and I think we contributed to that. Maybe if we all move on, something will take place. But maybe 25 pages of controversy has damaged it to no repair. So sad, because the issue of EMMA, was never resolved. If the breeder is reading this, contact this buyer and agree to what you said in the beginning. And to the buyer, talk with the breeder OFF the forum. And neither of you should repeat what you discuss on the forum. It's private, it's personnel.
When it is settled, all you have to say on the forum is, the dispute is settled and nothing more. YT doesn't need to hear details. Just that it is settled and Emma will be well taken care of. Period.
On a final note, breeder states she has sold pups to members on YT. Have members read other complaints? I'm asking because being new here, it's impossible to read every single post on YT.
Good luck Emma

[chachi]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

Originally Posted by Breeze
This is the response I got from Chelsy when I emailed her concerned for Emma: I hope she does not mind.



Re: Yorkie EmmaThursday, March 26, 2009 11:20 PM
From: "chelboucher@aol.com" <chelboucher@aol.com>Add sender to Contacts
To: *******@*****
Emma is not my dog. I was advertising her for someone who contacted me for help. I do everything I can to find great homes for dogs, but I was COMPLETELY misled in this situation. I merely put what she told me on my website. I was told that her husband surprised her with this dog, and she was larger than she wanted, so she wanted me to sell her. I didn’t know she was aggressive, and there was any problem with this dog, or about any of the false advertising. She gave me the pictured I had posted, and I thought she was a cute little girl. Thankfully, a client that I have worked with in the past informed me of what was going on with this dog, and I immediately took her off my website. I have worked so hard to build my reputation, and I sure hope this situation hasn’t ruined it for me. I work with breeders who have bred yorkies for over 40 years, and I sell their dogs for them. I generally don’t sell for other people besides the few breeders that I know and respect, but I wanted to help and all it has done it hurt me. I would like to stay completely out of this situation. I have nothing to do with this dog other than that I was trying to find her a forever home where she could be comfortable and happy. I hate seeing dogs get tossed around. I hope this situation can be resolved for the sake of the poor dog!
Thanks for the e-mail!
Chelsy

-----Original Message-----
From:*****@*****
To: chelboucher@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: Yorkie Emma

I was wondering if you knew what is going on with this thread on YT? Is Emma
your dog?

Thank you for your time

What does requoting that have to do with anything. How do you know if Emma is sold she wont end up in a puppymill or with a bad owner you dont!!!! Any reputable breeder would be working with the owner to get the dog back. All the op has asked for was the purchase price and the shipping. Not the vet expenses. It just seems like you really dont care for this dog at all or you would be doing all you could to get her back

[jasmanea]

My REVIEWS for the Breeder.

1. I do not think you are a responsible breeder (everyone has opinions)
2. I do believe that you do not care for Emma because of Gina's attitude (yes I am sick of her attitude and everyone else that is jaded.. what do you think I am just going to keep sitting back and continue to put "my opinion in"3. Why haven't you agreed to any other negotiation that has been posted on this thread? (again you don't know what you are talking about. maybe you should read it again)4. YT probably won't harm your reputation for you selling your pups, but you may not be looked the same way ever again. (again your asking me to care what a few people without all the facts think?? Are you serious?
5. It doesn't matter to me whether your mother bought you a new adult yorkie and her pup, I too think that is fishy, you did buy her right after you sold Emma and now you wont work with her? (Personally it is none of your business what I buy, do I criticize your yorkie purchases? Really now... ? and my finances are none of your business and DO NOT bring my mother into this.... ) Is it because you no longer have the money to help out a pup that you help be born?
6. Great breeders handle every situation with their pups privately so that it doesnt get to this (bashing threads, negative reviews, etc.) where it can affect their reputation whether it does harm or not.
Well did I start the thread.. NO.... you never saw the back and forth emails or or heard the telephone conversation... why is it your are posting???

This is my review of the breeder. (I see you didn't post about the buyer-thats funny) I have much more to say but are not appropriate. I just think of the few posts that the seller has typed on this thread has given me a bad impression. And I am not taking sides.... Gina now knows her mistake and is now and has to keep maning up to it.... but the seller keeps on bashing. eh.... i have nothing more to say.[/QUOTE] Than why say anything in the first place

[jasmanea]

Originally Posted by chachi

What does requoting that have to do with anything. How do you know if Emma is sold she wont end up in a puppymill or with a bad owner you dont!!!! Any reputable breeder would be working with the owner to get the dog back. All the op has asked for was the purchase price and the shipping. Not the vet expenses. It just seems like you really dont care for this dog at all or you would be doing all you could to get her back

Please explain to me why I should pay for her "shipping cost" which were 250$The dog has no cong/hered disorders. Especially after the rude email I received from her husband 2 days after owning her... pissed off about the damn birds!!!!!!!!!
The buyer decided after 48 hours she was a good fit. I could have drove to meet her at no cost. Why is it that Emma should be sent through 2 additional homes instead of just one other home. I have been getting many pms and emails about that... If it is in the best interest of Emma wouldn't it make more sense that she go to one additional home....

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

If she will not take her back I would suggest that you talk to a Yorkie rescue in your area about rehoming her properly. It does not seem to me that this has happened for this little girl yet 2 homes in her short life is just not far. I am not suggesting that you have to turn her over to a rescue but there are plenty of people that are looking for that perfect Yorkie and I am sure that a good rescue would be willing to help you find a her a perfect home. They screen all their applicants very well and always try to match the pup to the home and owner's lifestyle. Truthfully, the end goal of a reputable rescue is to find a FOREVER HOME and not just a different home. Such a sad story.

I have not posted about this since page 2 and way back then I suggested the above option. In all of this fighting and argues and bashing and outing somehow my suggestion about 300 plus posts ago was forgotten about. I have to say the OP never said that she already had this dog's profile/ad/information on line to be sold.

So I would like to suggest this again. There are PLENTY or rescues that would be willing to work with a dog owner to rehome a yorkie. They screen, interview and always make sure that the dog is a perfect fit. You do not have to turn the dog over to them, they will allow you to charge a fee, they will not allow a dog to be placed into a home for breeding purposes. They will probably even be able to direct you to a very low cost clinic for a spay.

If you were able to rehome her with the help of a rescue and were able to recoup some of your money($400 or so) while other donated a portion wouldn't that solve this problem? I believe that the above amount is about what you estimated you would be losing anyway~is it not? Everyone says they care about what happens to her, she does seem to have issues with aggression and there are plenty of people willing to adopt a pup just like her.

I would suggest that you contact a rescue in your state and ask for some help. Explain the situation to them and they would be wiling to help you rehome her into the appropriate home. I'm sure they would even be willing to help you with a contract if things didn't work out that she would be returned to the RESCUE and not you personally. That way you will not be obligated to take her back or return any money received for her.

To this breeder that sold you this dog in the first place, I have to say she has really managed to ruin her reputation but probably for the best. Obviously, there are breeders on this forum that are not as legitmate as we would like to believe. This is not the first case even this week.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

Please explain to me why I should pay for her "shipping cost" which were 250 dog has no cong/hered disorders. Especially after the rude email I received from her husband 2 days after owning her... pissed off about the damn birds!!!!!!!!!
The buyer decided after 48 hours she was a good fit. I could have drove to meet her at no cost. Why is it that Emma should be sent through 2 additional homes instead of just one other home. I have been getting many pms and emails about that... If it is in the best interest of Emma wouldn't it make more sense that she go to one additional home....

What kind of home you have no idea. That is why I would want her back so I could make sure she was placed with a good owner

[jasmanea]

Originally Posted by chachi

What kind of home you have no idea. That is why I would want her back so I could make sure she was placed with a good owner

Oh and you think I trust myself with picking a good owner??? Look what one I chose. I was PROMISED.... she would have a forever home with her. I was told she knew behavioral therapy and that she could train her and that her dog was submissive so it was "ok if Emma was in charge" if that happened. I was assured, guarenteed,,, I turned down 2 different breeders because Gina promised me she would be the perfect home and that she would get her spayed. I don't feel I have a right to tell someone else not to breed a dog. Pot-Kettle, but I did chose the home that was supposed to be her forever and that was going to get her spayed. I did not know she was going to have her posted on Chelseys website as a "breeder dog that is about to go into heat soon. I never even told her when her heat was, as I didn't think it pertinant if she were to be spayed. I'm just tired of being persecuted and still don't know why people refer to a "reputation as a breeder" again see all my 900 something posts and tell me how many are lobbying puppies! (not directed at you chi)