what do you think of a chocolate yorkie?

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I don't think that is true. Acceptable colors are Blue/Gold, Black/Gold, Blue/Tan, Black/Tan. Can any of you show breeders verify this?

According to the Standards on the YTCA website, blue and tan are the color standards.

Here's a link to the new ruling on their website about the color disqualification: http://www.ytca.org/bulletin.html

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

According to the Standards on the YTCA website, blue and tan are the color standards.

Here's a link to the new ruling on their website about the color disqualification: http://www.ytca.org/bulletin.html

The DQ has been voted and accepted by YTCA members and accepted by AKC.....but, not in affect at this time.....time frame should be within the next couple of months.

[Tx2Stepn]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I don't think that is true. Acceptable colors are Blue/Gold, Black/Gold, Blue/Tan, Black/Tan. Can any of you show breeders verify this?

It will be up to how the judge interprets the new standard. At the Toy Dog Show in Houston one of the Judges stated the black dogs will be DQ'd in October.

The new standard will add:

"Disqualification:
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above.
Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension."

The above refers to the standard listing under color as:

"BLUE: Is a dark steel blue, not a silver blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. TAN: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan."

We will have to wait and see how the Judges interpret it.

Sonja
www.tx2stepnyorkies.com

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Tx2Stepn

It will be up to how the judge interprets the new standard. At the Toy Dog Show in Houston one of the Judges stated the black dogs will be DQ'd in October.

The new standard will add:

"Disqualification:
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above.
Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension."

The above refers to the standard listing under color as:

"BLUE: Is a dark steel blue, not a silver blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. TAN: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan."

We will have to wait and see how the Judges interpret it.

Sonja
www.tx2stepnyorkies.com

Sonja,

You must remember that the standard is written with the mature, adult yorkie in mind. AKC wanted YTCA to add age timelines. YTCA was adamant against it, due to the fact that some yorkies are late in clearing and most likely would be DQ'd. I know my Tahlulah, though a beautiful gold now, as a pup would have been DQ'd because she took so long to clear. Charmer didn't clear until he was 2. The ones that clear later hold their color better.

You're right, the standard is very ambiguous and left open for interpretation.....we shall see. We need more breeder judges....not too many of them left. I would love them to put more emphasis on structure.

[cj125]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I will say that most of us breeder/exhibitors breed for ourselves first. And I will say that most would be surprised those that we do sell, are sold for much less than those breeders that are breeding only to sell puppies.

I know I wouldn't want to sell heartache, and not knowing if some underlying problem existed in a wee one, I wouldn't sell it for an astromical price, I'd place it in a home that knew how to care for a dinky.

Would I sell a rare colored puppy.....no, I'd spay/nueter it and place it.

I'm sorry but I have to step in here and say that I know this to be true - first hand.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by cj125

I'm sorry but I have to step in here and say that I know this to be true - first hand.

I know you were amazed Connie

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by cj125

I'm sorry but I have to step in here and say that I know this to be true - first hand.

Connie,

I'm going to be showing Max's brother at Bluebonnet.

Mary

[MyFairLacy]

What's the difference between gold and tan? It seems kindof dumb to me to disqualify black and gold colors from the standards as there doesn't seem to be much difference between black and blue (the dark steel blue, not silver) and gold and tan. A black and gold yorkie looks to be just as much of a yorkie as a blue and tan one does. Now chocolates, all golds, and partis do not automatically look like yorkies to me.

[yorkiekist]

Just because a Yorkie is a CHAMPION, doesnt make it a PERFECT specimin of the breed standard. Most the judges I know are human, and not perfect either. And where do you get off by saying show breeders dogs are more expensive than hobby breeders???? Seems like I see lots of hobby breeders that sell their puppies for WAY over 2500.00. Seems like they ALWAYS have puppies in stock too. Looks like if everyone became show breeders, the prices would come down. Most show breeders are only interested in placing their pet pups in loving non-breeding homes to be enjoyed. Yes, the show breeders have to make ends meet, but they usually dont rip off the public. There are always exceptions to each, hobby and show breeders.

Reguarding "rare" colors. The only people that call off colored puppies "rare" are the back yard breeders trying to make the big buck. They must not be too "rare" as there are alot on this chat room that have them. Hopefully they bought them on spay/neuter contracts. Yes, they are wonderful, cute, snuggly PETS, and should not be bred. The only reason these colors are not previlent or "rare", is because of the years of hard work and selective breeding by the breeders that founded and wrote the standard for this breed. It takes years to breed out these genetic faults, but someday it will happen. Maybe all the chocolate lovers should start your own breed like the Biewers. After many years of dedication and hard work, the odd colors wont be so "rare" and the prices will go down. And you wont have to worry about if its a mix because the AKC will be right there with a DNA swab. Lynn

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

What's the difference between gold and tan? It seems kindof dumb to me to disqualify black and gold colors from the standards as there doesn't seem to be much difference between black and blue (the dark steel blue, not silver) and gold and tan. A black and gold yorkie looks to be just as much of a yorkie as a blue and tan one does. Now chocolates, all golds, and partis do not automatically look like yorkies to me.

If you obtain a copy of the Illustrated Standard from YTCA it explains it to the fullest.

The tan should be 3 shades. I think the gold has become a word used by breeders, just because of the discription is really much more related to gold than tan.

And yes, I've seen beautifully structured black colored yorkies.


Mary

[Tx2Stepn]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Sonja,

You must remember that the standard is written with the mature, adult yorkie in mind. AKC wanted YTCA to add age timelines. YTCA was adamant against it, due to the fact that some yorkies are late in clearing and most likely would be DQ'd. I know my Tahlulah, though a beautiful gold now, as a pup would have been DQ'd because she took so long to clear. Charmer didn't clear until he was 2. The ones that clear later hold their color better.

You're right, the standard is very ambiguous and left open for interpretation.....we shall see. We need more breeder judges....not too many of them left. I would love them to put more emphasis on structure.

I hope that the judges that will be judging the yorkies will take the time to get trained on the intent of the change in the standard. It will be interesting to see how it will effect the show ring. I'm not expecting that they will DQ the puppies as our standard does say that the puppies are born black and tan, but it's the late blueing adults that I'm thinking will be the ones to get DQ'd.

Sonja
www.tx2stepnyorkies.com

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Tx2Stepn

I hope that the judges that will be judging the yorkies will take the time to get trained on the intent of the change in the standard. It will be interesting to see how it will effect the show ring. I'm not expecting that they will DQ the puppies as our standard does say that the puppies are born black and tan, but it's the late blueing adults that I'm thinking will be the ones to get DQ'd.

Sonja
www.tx2stepnyorkies.com

It is my understanding that YTCA is in the process of training right now, that is why it's not been put into place.

As far as puppies being DQ'd, we shall see. Most seem to think that it won't change judging as we see it today, that it was only put into place to keep the Parti's out of the ring......but, after the comment that judge made to you, I think it'll be just as I feared in the beginning...we've opened up a can of worms.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

You might be the exception to the rule. From what I understand, show breeders set their prices according to how many champions there are in the pedigree. The more champions, the higher the price.

I would not want to sell heartache either. I researched my breeder before I bought from her and I believe my dogs to have come from good healthy stock. I want to develop my own line and work on improving it for my own satisfaction, I have no interest in showing.

Just because a dog is not of show quality, does not mean that it has health issues. In fact from what I understand many champion lines develop health issues just because of the selective breeding. Which is not to say that all show dogs have health issues.

On this forum, the term reputable, responsible breeder is used synonomously with show breeder. Not all show breeders are reputable and honest, and not all non show breeders are disreputable and irresponsible.

I enjoy breeding but do not have the desire or the money to show, does that make me a bad peron.

I don't know of any reputable show breeders that will sell puppies for more money because of more champions in the pedigree. Actually anyone buying a pet puppy from a show breeder will get the pedigree on that puppy chock full of champions anyway. There is no puppies with no champions behind them, reputable show breeders don't work that way.
For anyone that would qualify to get a show dog from a reputable show breeder, then the price on that dog would be higher along with the guarantee that it is a show dog. I cannot speak for show breeders taht are not reputable as I have not had dealings with them and couldn't name them anyway. I am sure they exist but I pay no attention to them whatsoever.
I don't know of a byb that doesn't sell puppies for higher prices if that litter has champions in the pedigree, more champions, higher the price, which is why there is such a drive for byb's to get a hold of good lines with many champions. Also leading to most show breeders now spay/neutering rather than trusting non breeding contracts which doesn't stop a buyer from registering with a bogus registry thereby selling allegedly registered puppies.
It is very true that not all show breeders are reputable which is a pity. But I also don't know of any factor in life that has reputable and non reputable people involved.
As to whether or not you are a bad person because you are interested in breeding and selling puppies and not showing, you are the best person to answer that question. I guess if you don't feel the need to defend yourself, you would be happy with your choice.
I had a call last night from someone looking for a female to just breed. I have no intention of someone getting a dog from me to just breed when I have put all the years, money, work, championships, won the trust of other show breeders for their lines, for someone to come along to just breed and sell puppies for profit likely to others to just breed perhaps even into crossbreeding to sell puppies.
My choice makes sense to me and I do not in anyway feel I need to defend it, only give my point of view as to why I do as I do.

[Lorraine]

<<But I also don't know of any factor in life that has reputable and non reputable people involved.>>
I meant to say, that doesn't have reputable and non reputable people involved.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Just because a Yorkie is a CHAMPION, doesnt make it a PERFECT specimin of the breed standard. Most the judges I know are human, and not perfect either. And where do you get off by saying show breeders dogs are more expensive than hobby breeders???? Seems like I see lots of hobby breeders that sell their puppies for WAY over 2500.00. Seems like they ALWAYS have puppies in stock too. Looks like if everyone became show breeders, the prices would come down. Most show breeders are only interested in placing their pet pups in loving non-breeding homes to be enjoyed. Yes, the show breeders have to make ends meet, but they usually dont rip off the public. There are always exceptions to each, hobby and show breeders.

Reguarding "rare" colors. The only people that call off colored puppies "rare" are the back yard breeders trying to make the big buck. They must not be too "rare" as there are alot on this chat room that have them. Hopefully they bought them on spay/neuter contracts. Yes, they are wonderful, cute, snuggly PETS, and should not be bred. The only reason these colors are not previlent or "rare", is because of the years of hard work and selective breeding by the breeders that founded and wrote the standard for this breed. It takes years to breed out these genetic faults, but someday it will happen. Maybe all the chocolate lovers should start your own breed like the Biewers. After many years of dedication and hard work, the odd colors wont be so "rare" and the prices will go down. And you wont have to worry about if its a mix because the AKC will be right there with a DNA swab. Lynn

Were you aware that the most prolific line of Parti yorkies, comes from a show breeder's line? A breeder who's been breeding for over 30 years? And you are right, AKC was in there DNA testing 42 litters from these bloodlines.
Some of the full parti yorkies have 4 or 5 generations of dogs who all carry this show breeders prefix.

Again, I'm just trying to open up peoples minds! :-)