what do you think of a chocolate yorkie?

[Lorraine]

The colour issue really is that a Yorkie puppy for colour should be born black and tan undergoing change as it matures. It sometimes stays black and tan, or changes to shades of blue, tan changing to shades of tan or gold.
When you are talking aobut parti colour or gold or chocolate, these are not born black and tan, they are born wrong colour from the get go.

[JeanieK]

Selective breeding minimizes health issues. I would hope any breeder show or otherwise would conduct selective breeding.

That is how it is supposed to work, but as you stated before. they put more emphasis on coat than they do health and temperament.

Whether I work to better the "Breed' which I believe is impossible, or to better my own line, or to work towards developing a better parti colored yorkie, I am still doing it for the better.

Not all backyard breeders, or in my case back "bedroom breeders" are in it just for the money. It is a hobby, and we enjoy doing it, and if there are people out there who love and want what we produce, what is the harm as long as they are healthy, loving dogs.

They are not a threat to the breed, we are not going to "ruin' the breed and we may eventually end up with our own breed club with our own standards, just like they did with the Biewers in Germany.

And for those of you who would say "that will NEVER happen", Never say Never. It can happen and it most likely will happen at some time in the future.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Were you aware that the most prolific line of Parti yorkies, comes from a show breeder's line? A breeder who's been breeding for over 30 years? And you are right, AKC was in there DNA testing 42 litters from these bloodlines.
Some of the full parti yorkies have 4 or 5 generations of dogs who all carry this show breeders prefix.

Again, I'm just trying to open up peoples minds! :-)

I wonder how many breeders that have dogs from the Durrer line, are going to spay/neuter their dogs now that a Durrer Champion has produced a litter with parti colored pups.

Oh Yes!!! it has happened.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

That is how it is supposed to work, but as you stated before. they put more emphasis on coat than they do health and temperament.

Whether I work to better the "Breed' which I believe is impossible, or to better my own line, or to work towards developing a better parti colored yorkie, I am still doing it for the better.

Not all backyard breeders, or in my case back "bedroom breeders" are in it just for the money. It is a hobby, and we enjoy doing it, and if there are people out there who love and want what we produce, what is the harm as long as they are healthy, loving dogs.

They are not a threat to the breed, we are not going to "ruin' the breed and we may eventually end up with our own breed club with our own standards, just like they did with the Biewers in Germany.

And for those of you who would say "that will NEVER happen", Never say Never. It can happen and it most likely will happen at some time in the future.

They who?
I have no worries if parti's or Biewers want to start their own breed as Biewer Terriers but they are not rare Yorkie colours.
I think that was the point of trying to be sure that someone who wants to buy a chocolate, gold, parti /Biewer knows what they are getting and it is not something rare and not desirable colour for the Yorkshire Terrier.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I wonder how many breeders that have dogs from the Durrer line, are going to spay/neuter their dogs now that a Durrer Champion has produced a litter with parti colored pups.

Oh Yes!!! it has happened.

Do you know that for a fact, have you seen it? I believe nothing that I hear and only 50% of what I see.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Do you know that for a fact, have you seen it? I believe nothing that I hear and only 50% of what I see.

Yes I do know this for a fact.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Yes I do know this for a fact.

Have you seen it, because I will contact Betty Anne.

You've eluded this same thing of another breeder and personal friend of mine.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

They who?
I have no worries if parti's or Biewers want to start their own breed as Biewer Terriers but they are not rare Yorkie colours.
I think that was the point of trying to be sure that someone who wants to buy a chocolate, gold, parti /Biewer knows what they are getting and it is not something rare and not desirable colour for the Yorkshire Terrier.

"They" who have told me in the past that it will "NEVER" happen as "they" are a member of the YTCA and they will 'NEVER" allow it to happen.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Have you seen it, because I will contact Betty Anne.

You've eluded this same thing of another breeder and personal friend of mine.

I don't know who Betty Ann is, but it is true. I haven't eluded to anyone personally because I don't personally know anyone who owns a dog from the Durrer line. but trust me, it came from a reliable source.

There are other YT members that know of this also.

[Yorkieluv]

I'm not getting in the middle of this thread...I just wanted to mention that Betty Anne is Betty Anne Durrer...

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I wonder how many breeders that have dogs from the Durrer line, are going to spay/neuter their dogs now that a Durrer Champion has produced a litter with parti colored pups.

Oh Yes!!! it has happened.

Betty Anne Durrer is a good friend of mine, likely away at a show. I will be phoning her on that one when she is back again and let her know you think one of hers has produced parti colour.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I don't know who Betty Ann is, but it is true. I haven't eluded to anyone personally because I don't personally know anyone who owns a dog from the Durrer line. but trust me, it came from a reliable source.

There are other YT members that know of this also.

Ah so it is hearsay. Betty Anne is Durrer.

And yes, I read an e-mail from you on another list eluding to this of another breeder.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

"They" who have told me in the past that it will "NEVER" happen as "they" are a member of the YTCA and they will 'NEVER" allow it to happen.

As I recall YTCA has been helpful to the Biewer people in US get their own Club and breed recognized. I think if you check around the Biewer people who fancy the Biewer breed want them to be Biewer Terriers not a wrong colour of another breed, being the Yorkshire Terrier. As I understand it from the Biewer people they are not partial to the parti colour term either as a name for the dog, they prefer Biewer.

[Tx2Stepn]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I wonder how many breeders that have dogs from the Durrer line, are going to spay/neuter their dogs now that a Durrer Champion has produced a litter with parti colored pups.

Oh Yes!!! it has happened.

If a dog from any line is producing large numbers of incorrect colored yorkies then a responsible breeder would have it spayed or neutered and place it, but not every dog from a line will be such a producer. We breed for show quality dogs. We are not saying that things like this have never happened to a show breeder, but we do not try to capitalize on it and sell them as "rare" to the unsuspecting public and we do not try to accomplish these type of results on purpose. The Durrer line has a great reputation and that will not faulter over things like this being said.

Sonja
www.tx2stepnyorkies.com

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I don't know who Betty Ann is, but it is true. I haven't eluded to anyone personally because I don't personally know anyone who owns a dog from the Durrer line. but trust me, it came from a reliable source.

There are other YT members that know of this also.

I am on the West Coast of Canada. I own a Durrer dog now in the show rings. My lines have a lot of Durrer behind them. I have yet to see a parti colour and Betty Anne, as I mentioned before is a friend of mine and I am so lucky to know her. She is the most gracious and helpful show breeder I know of and I value knowing her.