what do you think of a chocolate yorkie?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

thanks for the advice, mary. we were posting at the same time. I did not say what the problem was because it has been taken care of. That's the way it should be .

As I said before, never discuss a fellow exhibitor, breeder, kennel on a public forum. What we say behind close doors should stay there unless we have our facts and documentation to prove it, it shouldn't be brought to an open forum.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by diggy4

Okay so all these breeds which noone REALLY knows what breeds they are that produced the yorkie of today....is it not possible that thats where the pie bald gene came from?? or where the gene that produces the chocolate yorkie came from?? And no matter how maticulous breeders are today these genes are still deep down & tucked away in every dog possibly?? Just a thought.

I think that was the point in any purebred dog that you can have genes that produce colour or whatever that is not what the breed should be.
The point, in my opinion, of this thread getting the life it got, was that these wrong colours etc are not 'rare' as in desirable but are just that, wrong colour and SHOULD NOT ever be sold for exhorbitant prices to people who think they are cute which they certainly can be but neither rare nor desirable and certainly should a show breeder produce one will give it to a good home or sell for a very low price.
If somene wants to buy a chocolate, tricolour whatever go ahead but go into it with some knowledge of what it is you are actually buying.

[Pinehaven]

[QUOTE=Lorraine;1348073]Actually they wouldn't or you would see a lot more tri coloured yorkies.
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Maybe not ... prior to AKC allowing the parti color to be registered, these off colors were hidden, given away, or disposed of - they were just a dirty secret. But now that they are eligible for registration, many feel there is no reason to hide this beautiful color from the public, only hidden from the show ring.

[love_me_cody]

I was wondering is it a good possibility that a 'parti' yorkie becoming a breed on its own? I mean can someone post a site or their knowledge on how a biewer became its own breed and how people first thought of them when they were first bred?... I'm trying to bring in all about yorkies into my head .

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

I was wondering is it a good possibility that a 'parti' yorkie becoming a breed on its own? I mean can someone post a site or their knowledge on how a biewer became its own breed and how people first thought of them when they were first bred?... I'm trying to bring in all about yorkies into my head .

Of course it's a possibility, new breeds are being introduced and accepted by AKC from time to time.

[Lorraine]

[QUOTE=Pinehaven;1348092]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

Actually they wouldn't or you would see a lot more tri coloured yorkies.
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Maybe not ... prior to AKC allowing the parti color to be registered, these off colors were hidden, given away, or disposed of - they were just a dirty secret. But now that they are eligible for registration, many feel there is no reason to hide this beautiful color from the public, only hidden from the show ring.

Personally, I don't know in 12 years of being in show/breeding of any show breeders that have produced parti colour.
I am amazed at the multitude of knowledge aobut show breeders from people are aren't show breeders nor do they have anything to do with them, never been at their homes never spoken to them as friends and yet seem to have intimate knowledge of what shows up in their whelping box. this is sure all news to me and I would bet news to the show breeders.

[Yorkieluv]

I think biewers and partis are different??

[love_me_cody]

Oh i forgot to add... maybe the parti yorkie ancestor was a champion but didn't get the gene from them but the other side ... ***Maybe not. Just thinking aloud***

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

What are you talking about? Are these parti colour from champion lines ones that got into the hands of byb's and the champion lines actually go back 3 or 4 generations. Oh you already answered my question when you said your partis have champions in their pedigrees.
And you wonder why show breeders now spay/neuter before selling any pet puppies and are so much more careful before selling to a show home and give a newcomer such a hard time before they will even begin to dream with trusting their line anywhere.
Did you look at your pedigree to see who these Champions were bred to that produced the particolour or the pedigree of any particolour breeder to see where the show breeder was let down by the person they trusted with their line? Or would you rather blame the show breeder?
Never mind I know the answer to taht one too.

HUH??? I don't even know what the question is let alone the answer.

The fact is that most off colored yorkie lines, originated from champion blood lines. It really doesn't matter what irresponsible person bred the off colored offspring. The Champions were the ones that carried the gene. And you have no way of knowing that your dogs do not carry the gene, because there is no way of testing for that.

And you can try blaming it on the dog that the champion was bred to, but the fact is the gene has to be in both parents in order to produce the off colored pup. So if there are two champion lines involved, then both lines have the gene.

I'm not blaming anyone for anything. Facts are facts. Don't make this personal just because you don't like the facts.

There is no one to blame for anything. The first parti colored yorkie registered by the AKC, "Niko's Mickey Spillane" had a champion sire.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Of course it's a possibility, new breeds are being introduced and accepted by AKC from time to time.

On AKC terms and those are some hoops you have to go through to get a breed recognized which as I mentioned before, Biewer breeders are trying to do that and don't want to be part of particolour. To them they are Biewer's from Germany.
BTW in case you didn't know already, the Biewers are only recognized by the German Biewer Club not the German Kennel Club. I know Yorkie people in Germany and know breeders here who are good friends with Yorkie people in Germany.

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Of course it's a possibility, new breeds are being introduced and accepted by AKC from time to time.

I mean... Can it be consider it's own breed or still a yorkie and accepted in the ring as a 'pure' yorkie? I know it's a possibility for both but what are everyone's opinions on which way it should go if it were to happen?... Thanks

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

As I said before, never discuss a fellow exhibitor, breeder, kennel on a public forum. What we say behind close doors should stay there unless we have our facts and documentation to prove it, it shouldn't be brought to an open forum.

Oh so there are skeletons in the show breeders closets, you just all keep it secret, and that is what makes you reputable, responsible breeders. You hide the evidence and keep it all hush hush and no one is the wiser.

I rather the breeder be honest and come right out and say "My champion dog produced this off colored pup and that is why I am finding it a new home."

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

I mean... Can it be consider it's own breed or still a yorkie and accepted in the ring as a 'pure' yorkie? I know it's a possibility for both but what are everyone's opinions on which way it should go if it were to happen?... Thanks

I can only offer my opinion and I'm a yorkie snob, yep that isn't a secret.

It would be wonderful if it were considered it's own breed with it's own standard and own National Club.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

HUH??? I don't even know what the question is let alone the answer.

The fact is that most off colored yorkie lines, originated from champion blood lines. It really doesn't matter what irresponsible person bred the off colored offspring. The Champions were the ones that carried the gene. And you have no way of knowing that your dogs do not carry the gene, because there is no way of testing for that.

And you can try blaming it on the dog that the champion was bred to, but the fact is the gene has to be in both parents in order to produce the off colored pup. So if there are two champion lines involved, then both lines have the gene.

I'm not blaming anyone for anything. Facts are facts. Don't make this personal just because you don't like the facts.

There is no one to blame for anything. The first parti colored yorkie registered by the AKC, "Niko's Mickey Spillane" had a champion sire.

That was my point, a champion sire bred to? And went back to? on the dams side and who was this champion sire.
I wish people would get to know the show world before they get into speaking what they consider to be 'facts'. You have to know the show world to know how things occur. I have seen many byb's in show clothes by the way and they are not show breeders I would deal with ever.
There are show breeders and then there are show breeders. Unfortunately some not so reputable show breeders got their hands on some mighty fine lines and dragged those through the mud.
Having said all that, of course, anyone can produce a wrong colour, blaiming it on champions and saying that's where it came from is why most show breeders who are reputable will not let their dogs go or be studded to non show breeders or show breeders they are not sure of, because they could very well be breeding to something that can be carrying any anomoly and it will be the show breeder that gets the blame.
I believe the AKC relented and registered parti colours because someone somewhere who had them sued AKC and they had more money than AKC was willing to spend to fight it out in court. Initially, AKC turned applications down flat for particolour YOrkies. It was not this dog you mentioned and I have no idea who the parti colour breeder was.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Oh so there are skeletons in the show breeders closets, you just all keep it secret, and that is what makes you reputable, responsible breeders. You hide the evidence and keep it all hush hush and no one is the wiser.

I rather the breeder be honest and come right out and say "My champion dog produced this off colored pup and that is why I am finding it a new home."

Absolutely not, that is not what I said....do not twist my words. We do not discuss or gossip about other breeders/exhibitors or kennels on an open forum, it should be kept behind closed doors unless you have prove and written documentation.

Did you know that there are many of us within YTCA having our yorkies DNA's to find the DNA marker for Liver Shunt....you call that keeping things a secret. We want a healthy breed and we'll do whatever is necessary to make it as such