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Old 10-21-2013, 04:56 PM   #1
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Question My 4lb yorkie is pregnant by my 10lb yorkie! First timer.. Help!

Hey everyone!
First I'd like to introduce myself..
My name is Bryce, and I live in Portland, OR.

This is my first time going through a dog pregnancy!
I really hope you guys can help me through it til the end!
I will use this thread for all my questions, updates, etc..

OK SO HERES WHATS GOING ON:
My little girl yorkie has gotten pregnant by my bigger yorkie.

FEMALE:
Name: Ginger
Weight: 4.2 lbs
Age: 1.5 years (pregnant after 3rd heat)
Breed: Purebred yorkie

MALE:
Name: Jerry
Weight: 9.2 lbs
Age: 7.5 years
Breed: Mostly yorkie (3/4 yorkie, 1/4 chihuahua)

SO TO SUMMARIZE:
4.2 lb FEMALE is pregnant by a 9.2 lb MALE


INITIAL QUESTIONS:

- What are the odds that there will be complications?
Is it possible for her to give a natural birth without a C-section?
Is the size difference a big deal, or just a minor thing?

- We don't know the exact date of conception.. only within a week.
What is the best way to judge when she will be giving birth?

- As far as nutrition, would you guys recommend anything special? Vits?

- What kind of special preparations should I make?
I've done some research, but still would like more advice/info..

- Should I be concerned about my male dog?
Like should I keep him separated, or anything special?


THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HELP!
THIS IS A FIRST FOR ME, SO IM EXTREMELY SCARED!
I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT EVERYONE HAS TO SAY!

THANKS AGAIN
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Hi Bryce, Your Yorkie female should not have been bred at all, she is under the recommended 5lbs. and yes one pound does make a difference. The fact that she bred with a male that large and that she is that small I would advise you to have an emergency spay. The risk to this pups life and is very high if you proceed. Many accidental breeders etc., here can tell you that it is difficult enough to go through this inexperienced but I don't ever recall such a weight difference here with any of these breeders....

I don't know how or why this all happened but obviously you weren't planning this, seek an emergency spay and neuter your boy for both their health's sake!

I'm sure some other breeders will be around to give better information. But I have to tell you they will not be happy with this situation. This is a huge NONO to breed pups these sizes and a female that small....

I hope you do the right thing, please keep us posted. Good Luck

p.s. More than likely she would need a csection if she could even carry them that long.
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Welcome..so sorry your first post has to be this one, please donīt take offense to the awnsers you may get

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INITIAL QUESTIONS:

What are the odds that there will be complications?
Is it possible for her to give a natural birth without a C-section?
Is the size difference a big deal, or just a minor thing?
Jerry is double her size and that makes a huge difference.Itīs deffinately not a minor thing.
I would seek the advice of your vet ASAP.The chances of her needing a C-section are high in this case scenario, and thatīs just asuming that she carries her pups to full term with no complications due to their size.

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We don't know the exact date of conception.. only within a week.
What is the best way to judge when she will be giving birth?
This is what worries me the most.With an accidental breeding, you donīt have dates, without dates you donīt have a due date, and without a due date, you wont know if your dog has passed the 64 day mark which could put her life and the life of the pups in danger..especially since her pups could be on the larger side.
Dates are important even when the breeding is planned, so you can imagine how worrying your situation is.How far along (more or less) is Ginger?

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What kind of special preparations should I make?
Donīt prepare anything until youīve talked to your vet.From there, youīll know what to do
Example - Take care of her after an emergency spay or prepare her for a possible c-section.
I wouldent venture into this particular experience just with the advice a handful of people on a forum give you weather they are experienced breeders or not.You need someone to actually examine Ginger.You really need to get her to a vet and make a desicion based on what he tells you

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Should I be concerned about my male dog?
Like should I keep him separated, or anything special?
Concerned? No.But if Ginger ends up not having an emergency spay, I do think you should have him spayed to prevent this happening again


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THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HELP!
Youīre welcome! Again, please donīt take offense to any of the awnsers If you want to talk to someone you feel more comfortable with, I would seriously advise you to talk to your vet and go over this with him/her
Certain things you read will no doubt scare the bejesus out of you and when that happens, we tend to cover our eyes, so talking to someone you know face to face will be alot easier for you and youīll find it easier to make a decision.

Good luck!
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Hey everyone!
First I'd like to introduce myself..
My name is Bryce, and I live in Portland, OR.

This is my first time going through a dog pregnancy!
I really hope you guys can help me through it til the end!
I will use this thread for all my questions, updates, etc..

OK SO HERES WHATS GOING ON:
My little girl yorkie has gotten pregnant by my bigger yorkie.

FEMALE:
Name: Ginger
Weight: 4.2 lbs
Age: 1.5 years (pregnant after 3rd heat)
Breed: Purebred yorkie

MALE:
Name: Jerry
Weight: 9.2 lbs
Age: 7.5 years
Breed: Mostly yorkie (3/4 yorkie, 1/4 chihuahua)

SO TO SUMMARIZE:
4.2 lb FEMALE is pregnant by a 9.2 lb MALE


INITIAL QUESTIONS:

- What are the odds that there will be complications?
Is it possible for her to give a natural birth without a C-section?
Is the size difference a big deal, or just a minor thing?

- We don't know the exact date of conception.. only within a week.
What is the best way to judge when she will be giving birth?

- As far as nutrition, would you guys recommend anything special? Vits?

- What kind of special preparations should I make?
I've done some research, but still would like more advice/info..

- Should I be concerned about my male dog?
Like should I keep him separated, or anything special?


THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HELP!
THIS IS A FIRST FOR ME, SO IM EXTREMELY SCARED!
I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT EVERYONE HAS TO SAY!

THANKS AGAIN


Hello and welcome! I am not a breeder but there are plenty on here. I'm "bumping" this for you I know someone will come along and be able to offer assistance
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There are vets out there, that have actually advised people on here, that a 3-4 lb Yorkie should have NO problems whelping a litter of puppies....so if I were you, I would listen to people that breed Yorkies for many, many years, and know the reality of breeding, the good, the bad, as well as the ugly. On a good day, this breeding you have, is a disaster looking for a place to happen. There are soooooo many really important dates that you have NO idea about......this is not acceptable or consucive to whelping a healthy litter and ending up with live puppies and a female that survives. You need to have this disaster of a breeding, emergently terminated, ASAP, before you loose the entire shooting match. You have a mix breed Yorkie....mixed with WHAT????? You may have German Shepherds behind that boy.....it is not so much the size of the male, as it is WHAT IS BEHIND HIM, AND THE FEMALE AS WELL, IN THEIR PEDIGREE!!!!!! If you care at all about your little girl, you will do this FOR HER!!!! She is too small to be bred safely in the first place....you have no idea what is behind those dogs, and if the babies are large, you will have to have a c-section, and if you are lucky, she will survive....You have NO experience in emergent care of orphaned puppies, so you will have a really hard time saving the babies as well.....

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Odds of complications: 100%
Size difference: not a big deal, a MAJOR deal. Her size: even BIGGER deal!
Natural birth vs c-section: this won't be an issue if you have her spayed. She shouldn't be pregnant in the first place, but small dog have a greater chance of c-section. This chance increases when then are bred to a larger male. I would say that you female has a 95% chance of having a c-section, or you losing her during birth.

Special preparations: Have her spayed, save her life.
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Welcome..so sorry your first post has to be this one, please donīt take offense to the awnsers you may get



Jerry is double her size and that makes a huge difference.Itīs deffinately not a minor thing.
I would seek the advice of your vet ASAP.The chances of her needing a C-section are high in this case scenario, and thatīs just asuming that she carries her pups to full term with no complications due to their size.



This is what worries me the most.With an accidental breeding, you donīt have dates, without dates you donīt have a due date, and without a due date, you wont know if your dog has passed the 64 day mark which could put her life and the life of the pups in danger..especially since her pups could be on the larger side.
Dates are important even when the breeding is planned, so you can imagine how worrying your situation is.How far along (more or less) is Ginger?



Donīt prepare anything until youīve talked to your vet.From there, youīll know what to do
Example - Take care of her after an emergency spay or prepare her for a possible c-section.
I wouldent venture into this particular experience just with the advice a handful of people on a forum give you weather they are experienced breeders or not.You need someone to actually examine Ginger.You really need to get her to a vet and make a desicion based on what he tells you



Concerned? No.But if Ginger ends up not having an emergency spay, I do think you should have him spayed to prevent this happening again




Youīre welcome! Again, please donīt take offense to any of the awnsers If you want to talk to someone you feel more comfortable with, I would seriously advise you to talk to your vet and go over this with him/her
Certain things you read will no doubt scare the bejesus out of you and when that happens, we tend to cover our eyes, so talking to someone you know face to face will be alot easier for you and youīll find it easier to make a decision.

Good luck!
I don't really understand why you think that your opinion is the only valid one which is what I suspect or you wouldn't have disclaimers and warnings about other opinions all over your post. Why not just post your opinion and be done with it? I have seen this in other threads. Just let it go and the OPs of these threads will be less affected by the conflict that seems to linger amongst some of our members.

As for scaring the "bejeesus" out of someone, I respectfully disagree with you. Whether a person closes their eyes because they don't want to know the truth or whether they are opened is their personal choice. Not everyone covers their eyes!!! I have seen people change their minds on this forum so I believe it needs to be said and I am not about to critique the messengers. Breeding is not a simple thing and it becomes a disaster quickly in cases like this one that is being presented. Oh, sure, it is good to get the opinion of a vet...BUT I think that the wealth of knowledge that people on this forum have is worth a LOT when it comes to disaster breedings.
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There are vets out there, that have actually advised people on here, that a 3-4 lb Yorkie should have NO problems whelping a litter of puppies....so if I were you, I would listen to people that breed Yorkies for many, many years, and know the reality of breeding, the good, the bad, as well as the ugly. On a good day, this breeding you have, is a disaster looking for a place to happen. There are soooooo many really important dates that you have NO idea about......this is not acceptable or consucive to whelping a healthy litter and ending up with live puppies and a female that survives. You need to have this disaster of a breeding, emergently terminated, ASAP, before you loose the entire shooting match. You have a mix breed Yorkie....mixed with WHAT????? You may have German Shepherds behind that boy.....it is not so much the size of the male, as it is WHAT IS BEHIND HIM, AND THE FEMALE AS WELL, IN THEIR PEDIGREE!!!!!! If you care at all about your little girl, you will do this FOR HER!!!! She is too small to be bred safely in the first place....you have no idea what is behind those dogs, and if the babies are large, you will have to have a c-section, and if you are lucky, she will survive....You have NO experience in emergent care of orphaned puppies, so you will have a really hard time saving the babies as well.....
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There are vets out there, that have actually advised people on here, that a 3-4 lb Yorkie should have NO problems whelping a litter of puppies....so if I were you, I would listen to people that breed Yorkies for many, many years, and know the reality of breeding, the good, the bad, as well as the ugly. On a good day, this breeding you have, is a disaster looking for a place to happen. There are soooooo many really important dates that you have NO idea about......this is not acceptable or consucive to whelping a healthy litter and ending up with live puppies and a female that survives. You need to have this disaster of a breeding, emergently terminated, ASAP, before you loose the entire shooting match. You have a mix breed Yorkie....mixed with WHAT????? You may have German Shepherds behind that boy.....it is not so much the size of the male, as it is WHAT IS BEHIND HIM, AND THE FEMALE AS WELL, IN THEIR PEDIGREE!!!!!! If you care at all about your little girl, you will do this FOR HER!!!! She is too small to be bred safely in the first place....you have no idea what is behind those dogs, and if the babies are large, you will have to have a c-section, and if you are lucky, she will survive....You have NO experience in emergent care of orphaned puppies, so you will have a really hard time saving the babies as well.....
From a breeder with 40+ years experience...take her advice and run with it, this poor pup, I am so worried about her.
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I don't really understand why you think that your opinion is the only valid one which is what I suspect or you wouldn't have disclaimers and warnings about other opinions all over your post. Why not just post your opinion and be done with it? I have seen this in other threads. Just let it go and the OPs of these threads will be less affected by the conflict that seems to linger amongst some of our members.

As for scaring the "bejeesus" out of someone, I respectfully disagree with you. Whether a person closes their eyes because they don't want to know the truth or whether they are opened is their personal choice. Not everyone covers their eyes!!! I have seen people change their minds on this forum so I believe it needs to be said and I am not about to critique the messengers. Breeding is not a simple thing and it becomes a disaster quickly in cases like this one that is being presented. Oh, sure, it is good to get the opinion of a vet...BUT I think that the wealth of knowledge that people on this forum have is worth a LOT when it comes to disaster breedings.
My opinion is certainly not the only valid one, although it is the only one you have fixated on by the looks of it.Read through it and you will see that I am not saying anything different than what any of you are.I am telling this person to get her dog to the vet ASAP.What are you seeing thatīs so wrong in my post exactly?
I am beggining to think alot of you are obsessed with every little word I write and that no matter what I say, itīs wrong.READ MY POST, and please, stop picking at every little word I write, because 1: I am not the idiot you think I am and 2: I am using common sense to awnser the OP and I havent contradicted ANY of you in what I wrote.Am I telling him/her to get to a vet before talking to a bunch of girls on a forum? YES! What is wrong with that?

This person needs to see her vet, who will tell her what everyone else is saying, and he/she may be more comfortable hearing it from her vet than coming on here and reading a few posts..something that I think is good to do also, but not the way to go IN THIS CASE.
I know that I LOVE reading forums, but there are certain things that I do like to go through with my vet before I do them.This is what I am saying.
When something like this happens, I just think itīs way better (and faster) to get offline and down to vets office before doing anything else.

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I don't really understand why you think that your opinion is the only valid one which is what I suspect or you wouldn't have disclaimers and warnings about other opinions all over your post. Why not just post your opinion and be done with it? I have seen this in other threads. Just let it go and the OPs of these threads will be less affected by the conflict that seems to linger amongst some of our members.

As for scaring the "bejeesus" out of someone, I respectfully disagree with you. Whether a person closes their eyes because they don't want to know the truth or whether they are opened is their personal choice. Not everyone covers their eyes!!! I have seen people change their minds on this forum so I believe it needs to be said and I am not about to critique the messengers. Breeding is not a simple thing and it becomes a disaster quickly in cases like this one that is being presented. Oh, sure, it is good to get the opinion of a vet...BUT I think that the wealth of knowledge that people on this forum have is worth a LOT when it comes to disaster breedings.
Addditionally, that wealth of knowledge, believe it or not is highly respected. I have gone to my vets with entire threads from YT and they keep them, they never dismiss them and many of you know that some of the advice here was taken by my vets and saved my Mini, helped my Mia1 and for sure helped to diagnose Mia2.

I owe YTers a ton of thanks and appreciation. Vets are surely a priority. But not all Vets have the entire bank of knowledge that the collective experience of YTers has on YORKIES and a good vet is open to suggestions and information and alternate forms of therapy.
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I owe YTers a ton of thanks and appreciation. Vets are surely a priority. But not all Vets have the entire bank of knowledge that the collective experience of YTers has on YORKIES and a good vet is open to suggestions and information and alternate forms of therapy.
I also apreciate forums, I have been a member of YT for 9 years (couldent remember my last username and had to make a new one after lurking for a VERY long time - like 5 years), BUT, in cases like this, I DO think itīs alot better to get to a vet ASAP.The reasons? We do not know how far along the dog is..she could be half way through her pregnancy by now and she needs to be examined.In these cases where the breeding is accidental and the male is more than half the bitches size, I personally would want to hear what my vet thinks and then Iīd double check with a forum

Iīm not saying the info on here in useless (I have used alot of it for YEARS!) but when the dog in question could be in danger, I think a run to the vet first is VERY important.
I also donīt want to scare this person away, again, this is why I am repeating that he/she might be more comfortable with her vet.

Heck, I came here when I was in doubt about Bellas PLANNED pregnancy because my vet was on vacaction and I had to wait a little to see him, but once he came back, it was him I turned to and him I trusted because he is the one here with me and he is the one who knows my dog, has her records, ran the tests beforehand etc etc.

I am not and never have pooped on anything any of you have said or suggested.I just see certain things a little differently
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Hey everyone!
First I'd like to introduce myself..
My name is Bryce, and I live in Portland, OR.

This is my first time going through a dog pregnancy!
I really hope you guys can help me through it til the end!
I will use this thread for all my questions, updates, etc..

OK SO HERES WHATS GOING ON:
My little girl yorkie has gotten pregnant by my bigger yorkie.

FEMALE:
Name: Ginger
Weight: 4.2 lbs
Age: 1.5 years (pregnant after 3rd heat)
Breed: Purebred yorkie

MALE:
Name: Jerry
Weight: 9.2 lbs
Age: 7.5 years
Breed: Mostly yorkie (3/4 yorkie, 1/4 chihuahua)

SO TO SUMMARIZE:
4.2 lb FEMALE is pregnant by a 9.2 lb MALE


INITIAL QUESTIONS:

- What are the odds that there will be complications?
Is it possible for her to give a natural birth without a C-section?
Is the size difference a big deal, or just a minor thing?

- We don't know the exact date of conception.. only within a week.
What is the best way to judge when she will be giving birth?

- As far as nutrition, would you guys recommend anything special? Vits?

- What kind of special preparations should I make?
I've done some research, but still would like more advice/info..

- Should I be concerned about my male dog?
Like should I keep him separated, or anything special?


THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HELP!
THIS IS A FIRST FOR ME, SO IM EXTREMELY SCARED!
I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT EVERYONE HAS TO SAY!

THANKS AGAIN
Did anyone actually see her and the male tied? Do you know approximately when she came in heat? What are the dates of the week in question?
Is she showing signs of pregnancy? Have you talked to a vet? We need more detail before we can give better advise.

As for the dangers to your female, yes it can be very dangerous for her. You should not try to go this alone or just depend on internet help. If she is indeed pregnant you need guidance for a vet that is familiar with small breeds and it would be very helpful if you could find another breeder nearby that can help you. Ideally if your female is not very far along you should think seriously about getting her spayed. You would need to talk to your vet about that possibility.

If she is pregnant she would need to be on a good quality dog food. I recommend a puppy food.

The male will be okay to be around her until she has her pups but then he will need to be separated from her.

Please keep us updated.
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Wow,
Thank you all SOO much for your quick replies!
I am completely overwhelmed by the number of responses.

To answer the couple questions I saw:
- She's somewhere between 3-4 week from conception.
- YES there's signs, huge vulva, huge nipples, growing belly.
Not to mention she's been more mellow and lovey-dovey.

Of course I was excited, but scared as well, that's why I'm here.
I saw a vet about weather she's prego like 2 weeks ago or less
And they said their about 95% sure. But now I'm 100%..
Should've talked more about the size of the male.
Surely ill be making another trip to get more info from them.

It sounds like I need to terminate ASAP cuz I don't wanna lose her!
Ugh im so scared/excited all at once. But I won't risk her life.
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My opinion is certainly not the only valid one, although it is the only one you have fixated on by the looks of it.Read through it and you will see that I am not saying anything different than what any of you are.I am telling this person to get her dog to the vet ASAP.What are you seeing thatīs so wrong in my post exactly?
I am beggining to think alot of you are obsessed with every little word I write and that no matter what I say, itīs wrong.READ MY POST, and please, stop picking at every little word I write, because 1: I am not the idiot you think I am and 2: I am using common sense to awnser the OP and I havent contradicted ANY of you in what I wrote.Am I telling him/her to get to a vet before talking to a bunch of girls on a forum? YES! What is wrong with that?

This person needs to see her vet, who will tell her what everyone else is saying, and he/she may be more comfortable hearing it from her vet than coming on here and reading a few posts..something that I think is good to do also, but not the way to go IN THIS CASE.
I know that I LOVE reading forums, but there are certain things that I do like to go through with my vet before I do them.This is what I am saying.
When something like this happens, I just think itīs way better (and faster) to get offline and down to vets office before doing anything else.
I am not obsessed or fixated on anything. I merely commented because your opening sentence set what I believe was an unecessary theme. While, yes, I did read the rest of your post, I must say that after seeing that, it took a lot of work on my part. And, then if not enough, you did it again in your last paragraph.
Food for thought.
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