My 4lb yorkie is pregnant by my 10lb yorkie! First timer.. Help!

[Lovetodream88]

I think one reason its hard for me to understand it was an accident is because only dogs who are a perfect reprisintaion of the breed should be breed and 10 pounds is over the standard weight and most males used in breeding are half that size so I don't understand why the male had not been fixed.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I think one reason its hard for me to understand it was an accident is because only dogs who are a perfect reprisintaion of the breed should be breed and 10 pounds is over the standard weight and most males used in breeding are half that size so I don't understand why the male had not been fixed.

Taylor if you have followed the research articles on spay and neuter, there is mounting evidence on health issues alone the males have no over-weening reason to be neutered. I am not saying this was the informed reason the OP elected to keep her male intact. Certainly not judging by her lack of knowledge on how to keep a female safe from unwanted breedings.

This woman is not a show breeder nor do I suspect she wants to improve or at the minimum protect the Yorkie breed. She is just a woman who wanted to mate her female to another male, to get puppies. Why I don't know. But certainly not from studied understanding of her and the future stud's lines, and certainly not from doing the most minimal breed specific tests.

IMO it is useless to point this out to the OP. She will do what-ever she will. All we can do here is point out as best we can the short-comings or fallacies of her thought processes.

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by bryce87i

Lilly - PS.. I apologize if I replied harshly. Perhaps I misinterpreted your response. However I've taken the liberty of quoting you - here's what you said:
"...So for a knowledgeable yorkie person/breeder to ((question a vet on saying breeding a 4lb dog is fine)), is not IMHO out of line at all & IMHO is not fine."
So yes, you did say that. I've put it in parenthesis for you
But anyway its ok, I know you're just sharing your knowledge and opinion.

Still "I" did NOT question the vet, someone else did & "I" still see no problem with it. As I said before a vet has little experience in the whelping area compared to an Experienced Breeder, UNLESS the vet is his/her self an Breeder. By the way anyone can write a book on any subject

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I think one reason its hard for me to understand it was an accident is because only dogs who are a perfect reprisintaion of the breed should be breed and 10 pounds is over the standard weight and most males used in breeding are half that size so I don't understand why the male had not been fixed.

I 100% agree with this. To be a breeder takes MUCH more then letting two dogs go at it. If you plan to breed dogs you need to do your research first AND be sure your breeding pair is sound & free from congenital defects such as Chiari Malformation, LS, LP, AAI & that's just a few of the things you need to know about. You also need to know about how to care for the newborn pups in the event of the mothers death or her rejecting any pups and how to care for the mother after the whelp such as the signs of trouble when those pups basically suck the life out of the mom. So, do you know about all these things ? if your answer is no then you are in no way near ready to become a dog breeder & I'm not trying to be rude, just stating the facts. Unfortunately most people learn the hard way, you were lucky, well deff smart enough to get your girl to a specialist before it was too late for her. Could you have seen yourself trying to deliver those pups on your own ? without any guidance from some of the experienced breeders here on YT and you vet you may have lost your Bitch like so many do. And this is why people here are so passionate, we don't just LOVE our dogs, we LOVE ALL dogs.

[OwnedByJezebel]

Originally Posted by bryce87i

For the most part you seem fine, but it was still rude to call me a failure and say it was no accident. Because not only did I make sure they were kept apart nearly the whole day, but I also made sure she always had a diaper on, which I now understand isn't the best way to avoid pregnancy, but it certainly helped during every single other heat, until this one when the boy slipped out of the room at 4am when I got up for work, and paired up with her in the middle of the night after her diaper somehow had fallen off. So I'm tired of those who say it was no accident, or that I didn't take precautions, because I did. Accidents do happen people - get over it, move on, and perhaps stop feeding the drama by focusing on the past, and instead, start helping with the present and future.

Once more, diapers do not prevent pregnancy. Many a dog has tied WITH A DIAPER ON! Like I said before, she may has well been wearing only a t-shirt, that is just as effective at preventing a tie as a diaper is. Her wiggling out of it made no difference, she can tie with the diaper on anyway. You were very, very lucky that she didn't get pregnant in previous heats.

If you did not intend for her to get pregnant and she did anyway, someone or something failed. Success = no pregnancy, and since pregnancy wasn't prevented there was a failure. You can't blame it on the dogs, they were just doing what dogs do. It was up to you to control the situation, not the dogs or some random set of circumstances. YOU are the human, the only one in the mix that could take precautions to prevent what she had to go through. I don't know why you can't admit that, and it clearly is frustrating many people here that you put the blame somewhere else, like on a diaper that, even if it had remained on, wouldn't have prevented a tie anyway.

[impish]

Gemy.

And again I keep hearing "let's move on, accidents happen, and I want to focus on what I want to know and now."

And again I say - Price of admission Bryce is Open Dialog. You are not the owner of the conversation. You may have started it but you don't own it. In your own home you can dismiss people and send them packing with a quick chastising, but it doesn't work that way here.

Further if you want to learn anything more for your next time which you obviously are set on doing and if you want advice from any of these people about how to care for the puppies now - like you were asking because clearly you haven't done this before - you might want to consider respecting the advice you get a little more.

There's a lot of valuable information here but you seem so intent on focusing on HOW people should respond that you're not going to hear it, and further you're not going to get it from those that really know what to do.

Humility. Humbleness. Grace. If you want to talk about manners, and decency and respect, those are also words you might consider for yourself. Just my opinion of course.


[quote=gemy;4346880]

Originally Posted by bryce87i

Bjh - Because not only did I make sure they were kept apart nearly the whole day, but I also made sure she always had a diaper on,(a) which I now understand isn't the best way to avoid pregnancy, but it certainly helped during every single other heat, until this one when the boy slipped out of the room at 4am when I got up for work, and paired up with her in the middle of the night after her diaper somehow had fallen off. So I'm tired of those who say it was no accident, or that I didn't take precautions, because I did. Accidents do happen people -

(a) you now understand? What vet told you diapers are a good choice to prevent pregnancy? Did you even ask a vet?

(b) every single other heat? Interesting how many did she have before the mistake mating?

(c) a boy slipping out of a room seems to indicate that he was not in a crate, and probably not the female. How then did you protect the two from mating? If both were out of crates, how pray tell did you expect to protect them from mating?

(d) Your precautions were obviously in-adequate and any repro vet or good breeder if you had asked should have told you how to keep this female safe from mating.

As I have said yet twice before on this thread. Accidents are like hurricanes, tornadoes, fires, heart attacks et al, truly those events we can't pre -plan for that may interfere with our ability to keep our dogs safe from mating. MOst everything else is the "breeders" fault, and you are the breeder here.

You had two intact dogs. You had the obligation to understand fully how to safeguard your female from mating. Furthermore your vet should have schooled you in this, once he/she realized you decided to keep your female intact.

So yes this breeding was no ACCIDENT. It was your failure to plan to safeguard your female most especially because you had a full male in your home. You might like to think it was an accident, but if you fail to find out all you can, you fail to plan how to safeguard your female based on best education, then you PLAN to FAIL.

Just admit you were a dunce and made a mistake!

[theporkieyorkie]

And this is why people here are so passionate, we don't just LOVE our dogs, we LOVE ALL dogs.

This is sooo true. The OP ask for advice. It may not have been delivered the way they thought it should be delivered...but it still got the job done. People told them to go seek professional help from a vet, as it could be dangerous...and the OP did.

Even the vet herself admitted that many vets would have opted to terminate the late pregnancy instead of doing a late c-section...so is it any surprise that many of the people here would have thought the same?!?

IMO, this thread is much bigger than the OP. People come on here all of the time with accidental breedings and/or bad breeding choices. This pup is extremely lucky that the OP had the money to save the little girl by opting for a c-section...but I guarantee that MANY inexperienced breeders don't even factor it in as a possible cost...and if their little girl got in trouble, they'd be screwed.

I haven't been on here that long, but I am sure if I am on here long enough, eventually, I will hear about a Yorkie dying from complications because the person who bred them was not educated or financially prepared to do so. Hopefully, threads like this will help prevent unwanted pregnancies, and it will show people what to do if they have one!!

OP...I know you wouldn't want others to go through what you went through. Hopefully, you can focus on the lessons you've learned from your whole experience instead of focusing on what others have said. Everyone makes mistakes, but maybe because you shared yours, others won't have to go through what you and your pup went through...

[ladyjane]

Received multiple emails about a little yorkie and her puppies at a shelter in Houston. Turns out the owner did not know she was pregnant????? .. and when she got into trouble, she took her to the shelter. They did a c-section on her yesterday and lost some of the pups.

We were going to take her and her pups, but another rescue stepped up this morning. Praying that all will be well. Horrible place for puppies what with parvo and other things in shelters.

Just felt it needed to be posted in this thread. These little pups can get in trouble in a heartbeat. Please folks leave the breeding to people who know what to do in an emergency.
Here is a picture from the shelter....

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[mimimomo]

OMG poor girl must be so scared! Confused as to why she wasn't taken to a vet instead of to the shelter. So sad!

[bjh]

How terribly sad for that little yorkie. I am glad she and some of her babies are okay. Did the owner surrender the yorkie because they could not afford the c-section? I pray the momma and babies find good forever homes.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by bjh

How terribly sad for that little yorkie. I am glad she and some of her babies are okay. Did the owner surrender the yorkie because they could not afford the c-section? I pray the momma and babies find good forever homes.

I am assuming that was the reason she was surrendered. A friend of mine from another group called me this evening about her. They may be turning her and her puppies over to YHR. She did not know that we had a foster home for them....will know more tomorrow. Either way she and her puppies will have good homes. They are an all breed rescue but know yorkies well and they are very careful with their placements.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Received multiple emails about a little yorkie and her puppies at a shelter in Houston. Turns out the owner did not know she was pregnant????? .. and when she got into trouble, she took her to the shelter. They did a c-section on her yesterday and lost some of the pups.

We were going to take her and her pups, but another rescue stepped up this morning. Praying that all will be well. Horrible place for puppies what with parvo and other things in shelters.

Just felt it needed to be posted in this thread. These little pups can get in trouble in a heartbeat. Please folks leave the breeding to people who know what to do in an emergency.
Here is a picture from the shelter....






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Thanks Linda for doing this. Well at least she surrendered to a shelter and not dumped the dog in a field or in a back alley in downtown.

As you know a small dog with small pups inside can not show until the very end and that to a discerning dog owner.

[OwnedByJezebel]

That is so sad. Poor thing needs to feel safe while she is taking care of her babies.

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Received multiple emails about a little yorkie and her puppies at a shelter in Houston. Turns out the owner did not know she was pregnant????? .. and when she got into trouble, she took her to the shelter. They did a c-section on her yesterday and lost some of the pups.

We were going to take her and her pups, but another rescue stepped up this morning. Praying that all will be well. Horrible place for puppies what with parvo and other things in shelters.

Just felt it needed to be posted in this thread. These little pups can get in trouble in a heartbeat. Please folks leave the breeding to people who know what to do in an emergency.
Here is a picture from the shelter....

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This is just so very sad for this poor sweet girl. I am glad she is getting out of that nasty shelter and her and her babies will be safe and loved.

[theporkieyorkie]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Received multiple emails about a little yorkie and her puppies at a shelter in Houston. Turns out the owner did not know she was pregnant????? .. and when she got into trouble, she took her to the shelter. They did a c-section on her yesterday and lost some of the pups.

We were going to take her and her pups, but another rescue stepped up this morning. Praying that all will be well. Horrible place for puppies what with parvo and other things in shelters.

Just felt it needed to be posted in this thread. These little pups can get in trouble in a heartbeat. Please folks leave the breeding to people who know what to do in an emergency.
Here is a picture from the shelter....

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SO DISGUSTING AND SAD, YET NOT SURPRISING...and yet some don't understand why people here get so upset when they hear about a pet quality bitch being bred by an inexperienced, irresponsible owner...

Unfortunately, it's the poor animals that have to pay the price of their health and life because of the inexperienced owners, and then it's the rescues who have to shell out the finances to clean up their messes.

Did they surrender the dog to the Houston SPCA?? I wish they could go after the owner and charge them with abuse...and along with jail time, I think the owners should have to pay for the dogs c-section/vet bills. If they made people financially responsible for the dogs in situations like these, maybe people would stop abusing,neglecting and being downright irresponsible with their pets!!