My 4lb yorkie is pregnant by my 10lb yorkie! First timer.. Help!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

I have no advice. I am a little surprised at the vets response but I will be praying hard for your little girl. I cannot even imagine how hard this will be on her.

I am surprised as well in that the OP said it is a specialist. But..hey what do I know?

I would never breed a yorkie. People all have the same story about how their pups are never going to be homeless....I have yet to meet a breeder say there is a risk of his/her pups being homeless. OP you are a breeder now, so this includes you. All I can say to that is that I am never without foster pups and there are sadly so many more yorkies who we are unable to assist....on a daily basis. They ALL came from breeders....you know, the ones whose pups would never end up homeless.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by bryce87i

HEY THIS IS THE OP WITH AN UPDATE!
So first I'd like to say wow thank you for the abundance of replies and attention! Due to the large number of replies since my last post, I decided to post my update first and then read them all, so ill get to any questions I might miss in this post shortly.

ANYWAY!
So I went to a doggy gynecologist specialist and got some questions answered as well as some scans done. She said my pup is roughly 5 weeks along, and that an emergency spay would be more dangerous than a csection (if needed) at this point. So we are going to continue with the pregnancy and pray for the best. The scan showed 3 puppies (thank god it wasn't 1-2) and I guess she also said there was a spot where a 4th one was that got absorbed or something like that, which she noted was fairly common with dogs. Due date is between Nov11-Nov13 give or take 2 days, so Nov9-Nov15. We have another appointment on the 6th or 7th to check up things, make a decision, etc.. In the meantime I am making a whelping box for her to get used to just in case. I will keeep you all updated.

Is this specialist board certified with? Animal Reproduction. American College of Theriogenologists This is the American specialty organization which certifies vets for this specialty.

At roughly just past mid point in the pregnancy, I don't truly understand how the e spay would present more dangers than bringing to term 3 pups from un-known heritage.

[Kaitlynx89]

I don't understand how a spay would be more dangerous than this birth? Who knows how big those babies are. She is way too tiny and young . I am praying for this little girl...

[ColesMommy01]

Originally Posted by bryce87i

OP HERE..
Rhetts & Mimi - I understand where you are coming from, but that's an invalid point if the friends I'm giving puppies to wouldnt have otherwise gotten another dog. The only reason they want one is because of the parents they are coming from. Thus, your point (although a sad fact in some cases) is not true in my case. I am not causing any other dogs to remain homeless or get put down. I think that's a pretty big stretch for you to even suggest me carrying that guilt. But again, I understand that in SOME cases it may be true.

To the rest of you - Yes this was unplanned, and yes she should have been spayed. But let myour te one last time that she is 5-6 weeks along already! We didnt even realize that she may be pregnant until fairly recently (in the last 1-2 weeks). I did exactly what you all suggested and saw a vet (in fact a doggy gyno/pregnancy specialist office) and I asked many questions and we explored all options, and she was very confident in saying that spaying her (at this point) would be more dangerous than continuing the pregnancy. Otherwise I wouldve elected for an emergency spay. Now listen, I appreciate all of your input, and respect your opinions as I know many of you are long-time breeders with lots of experience. I also fully understand there are risks. But AT THIS POINT is it not true that spaying her would be equally as dangerous? I can't help but believe what the specialist told me, however if any of you disagree with her and think she is wrong, please tell me! But also please make sure you understand why she said what she said - my pup is pretty far along, so I can understand where she's coming from. Again, the pregnancy was obviously not planned, yes I should've taken better precaution, yes I wish I had noticed sooner, and yes its an unfortunate circumstance, but at this point and time (5-6 weeks in) is it not true that a spay would be just as dangerous if not more dangerous than continuing the pregnancy with care?

All input and opinions are welcome and appreciated.
But PLEASE, READ my ENTIRE post first. Thanks

Thank you for the update! I'm happy that you consulted with a vet(s)/specialist(s) and they were able to tell you what would be best for your girl and provided you with options. I hope everything goes well with her pregnancy and if you don't mind keep the updates coming as well. Sending good vibes and prayers that this will go as smoothly as possible your way.

[nanahas3]

I can see where it is going to be dangerous for her either way. Is she already scheduled for a c-section? Have they checked the size of the pups and her pelvic ring? I am not a vet but to my laymans mind I would think a spay now while they are small would be safer.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I am surprised as well in that the OP said it is a specialist. But..hey what do I know?

I would never breed a yorkie. People all have the same story about how their pups are never going to be homeless....I have yet to meet a breeder say there is a risk of his/her pups being homeless. OP you are a breeder now, so this includes you. All I can say to that is that I am never without foster pups and there are sadly so many more yorkies who we are unable to assist....on a daily basis. They ALL came from breeders....you know, the ones whose pups would never end up homeless.

There is always a risk in that the pups I have bred, despite stringent contract obligations, might be sent to a shelter without notifying me. So it is all not all one way or one-sided.

I do wonder, how many of the foster pups you get in, you contact their breeders, if that information is available to you when you rescue these pups? Do you even try to search for the breeder of the rescued pup? Look at microchip information that just may have the breeders name as second contact? Do you look up the AKC registered name of the pup, which should have the breeders name on both the sire and the dam?

When a family/person voluntarily surrenders their dog to you at 5 or 7 or 9 years down the road, do you try to find out from the family the breeders name, addy, and phone number? Do you ask that family what their contract provides, if indeed they have one with the breeder?

Just wondering how rescues go about researching the history of the dog they agree to take in.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by gemy

There is always a risk in that the pups I have bred, despite stringent contract obligations, might be sent to a shelter without notifying me. So it is all not all one way or one-sided.

I do wonder, how many of the foster pups you get in, you contact their breeders, if that information is available to you when you rescue these pups? Do you even try to search for the breeder of the rescued pup? Look at microchip information that just may have the breeders name as second contact? Do you look up the AKC registered name of the pup, which should have the breeders name on both the sire and the dam?

When a family/person voluntarily surrenders their dog to you at 5 or 7 or 9 years down the road, do you try to find out from the family the breeders name, addy, and phone number? Do you ask that family what their contract provides, if indeed they have one with the breeder?

Just wondering how rescues go about researching the history of the dog they agree to take in.

If a pup is chipped, we absolutely contact the owner....and breeder if the breeder's name is on it. No, I personally do not go on a hunting expedition to find a breeder...if they care and have their pups chipped, then I will contact them. I have contacted a few breeders over the years and they have always just had us place the pup.

As for owner surrenders, they usually are not very forthcoming about where they obtained their pups....we do encourage them to contact their breeders and/or the rescue if that is applicable. I have to say though, that in most cases I am shocked at the people who have the pups and wonder who the heck would sell a pup to them. So....no, not really caring too much to find that person so they can sell the poor thing to another person who will do the same. Now, of course, we do get some owner surrenders who really do care...and often they have already reached out to the breeder.

[chachi]

It is strange your vet wouldnt spay because of too much risk when a spay neuter clinic i have weeent to will spay at any point in pregnancy

[bchgirl]

There is a much higher risk of excessive bleeding when spaying a pregnant dog, the surgery itself takes longer and the incision itself is larger.

Best wishes to the OP and the momma.

[sasha2334829]

I just wanted to say I wish you and your little girl luck and will be thinking about her in your time of need. And keep us updated with her progress.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by bryce87i

OP HERE..
Rhetts & Mimi - I understand where you are coming from, but that's an invalid point if the friends I'm giving puppies to wouldnt have otherwise gotten another dog. The only reason they want one is because of the parents they are coming from. Thus, your point (although a sad fact in some cases) is not true in my case. I am not causing any other dogs to remain homeless or get put down. I think that's a pretty big stretch for you to even suggest me carrying that guilt. But again, I understand that in SOME cases it may be true.

To the rest of you - Yes this was unplanned, and yes she should have been spayed. But let myour te one last time that she is 5-6 weeks along already! We didnt even realize that she may be pregnant until fairly recently (in the last 1-2 weeks). I did exactly what you all suggested and saw a vet (in fact a doggy gyno/pregnancy specialist office) and I asked many questions and we explored all options, and she was very confident in saying that spaying her (at this point) would be more dangerous than continuing the pregnancy. Otherwise I wouldve elected for an emergency spay. Now listen, I appreciate all of your input, and respect your opinions as I know many of you are long-time breeders with lots of experience. I also fully understand there are risks. But AT THIS POINT is it not true that spaying her would be equally as dangerous? I can't help but believe what the specialist told me, however if any of you disagree with her and think she is wrong, please tell me! But also please make sure you understand why she said what she said - my pup is pretty far along, so I can understand where she's coming from. Again, the pregnancy was obviously not planned, yes I should've taken better precaution, yes I wish I had noticed sooner, and yes its an unfortunate circumstance, but at this point and time (5-6 weeks in) is it not true that a spay would be just as dangerous if not more dangerous than continuing the pregnancy with care?

All input and opinions are welcome and appreciated.
But PLEASE, READ my ENTIRE post first. Thanks

First I want to thank you for giving us an update. I don't agree with the vets decision that a spay would be more dangerous than continuing with the pregnancy. So lets just focus on the fact that you are letting her continue with her pregnancy. Have you ever whelped a litter of puppies? There is so much to learn and it is very important for the sake of your pregnant girl that you learn as much as possible. Is someone always home with your girl? It is very important that she is not left alone when it is near time for her to have her pups. What are you feeding her? Is she eating good? It is very important that she eats a good quality food. Once she has her pups you will need to add a calcium supplement to her diet. You need to ask your vet about that.

Once your girl has had her pups you will still have so much to do. You need to have a separate area for her away from other dogs so she can have some privacy. If she is used to sleeping with you then you will have an x-pen or some place to confine her so she does not try to move the pups to your bed. I recommend an x-pen because you can put her whelping box at one end and then have her pee pad, food and water in the x-pen. You can drape a sheet over top and sides of the x-pen over the whelping box and that will give her more privacy.

Please give us updates whenever possible. I will be praying for you little girl.

[scrapindee]

This is the second thread I've read about accidental breedings of girls under 5#. I guess until someone looses their girl no one will understand why posters get upset. Or, until one these posters has to hand feed puppies every 2 hours for a month, because their girl died, are we going to make a connection.

I don't believe that a reproductive vet would agree to continuing the pregnancy. I have known of pregnancies aborted with medication--pups either absorbed or whelped early when their is no chance of whelps surviving.

I hope the op comes back with updates, even if the end result is traumatic. We hope to teach and learn on this forum. I hope someone learns not to let their pups breed unless it is planned, researched, etc.

[JuliannaB]

I have kept up to reading all in this post. As I have NO experience in whelping or the like, so I will keep my opinion, however ignorant it is, to myself. Since the beginning of being a member myself, I have noticed that everyone in this YT community is passionate about YT'ers, who care sooo much about these little angels I have, and will continue to, wish the best for this little lady and hope for the best outcome. Please keep us updated on your little lady... we all care!! Sending positives thoughts your way. Cheers!

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by gemy

Is this specialist board certified with? Animal Reproduction. American College of Theriogenologists This is the American specialty organization which certifies vets for this specialty.

I SERIOUSLY doubt the OP's vet consult is actually board certified by these people....the advise given to the OP to allow this female to continue with this pregnancy essentially proves that.

At roughly just past mid point in the pregnancy, I don't truly understand how the e spay would present more dangers than bringing to term 3 pups from un-known heritage.

This is the bottom line...."unknown heritage" from the father.....halfway thru the pregnancy.....no way the risks to termination out weigh the risk of allowing this to continue. The vet is looking at a wonderful price for an emergency c-section, plus medical care for the female and the babies post whelp..... Hoping the OP is spending quality time with her precious little lady, whose life has been put into jeopardy thru negligence on the part of the OP.....while THIS pregnancy may not have been planned, this is clearly someone that wanted to become "a breeder", or this little lady would have already been spayed.....so "now she are one"! She will go through all the heartbreak and anxiety and suffer the possible loss of puppies AND her momma.....one of which was already reabsorbed.....but for what??????? For a litter of mix breed pups that she can not even register.....sooooooooooo sad for momma and babies. Hopefully, she will at least be responsible and ETHICAL enough to sell these babies, if they survive, on a spay neuter contract, and also have a provision in her contract that the puppies MUST be returned to her in the event these friends or whoever, can not keep these puppies. But realistically, I seriously doubt there is even going to be consideration for the LONG TERM future of these babies, as so little concern is evident for their momma, with whom the OP has "bonded and loves".........my heart breaks.......

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by scrapindee

This is the second thread I've read about accidental breedings of girls under 5#. I guess until someone looses their girl no one will understand why posters get upset. Or, until one these posters has to hand feed puppies every 2 hours for a month, because their girl died, are we going to make a connection.

I don't believe that a reproductive vet would agree to continuing the pregnancy. I have known of pregnancies aborted with medication--pups either absorbed or whelped early when their is no chance of whelps surviving.

I hope the op comes back with updates, even if the end result is traumatic. We hope to teach and learn on this forum. I hope someone learns not to let their pups breed unless it is planned, researched, etc.