Question about Exhibitor / Show Breeder litters

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

ZERO...

Exactly!

The problem that I see is that some think that breeding is their right. They will do what they want and fight and argue their agenda whatever that might be. I'd much rather see someone whelping multiple litters of puppies that are excellent representation of the breed and then placed into excellent home.

[gemy]

[quote=YorkieRose;3378972]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

In turn, my question would be~" how many breeders do we need that are NOT bettering the breed"?

ZERO...

Well IMO we need all breeders to do their utmost to "preserve" the breed. That is not so easy as you would think. to breed the right temperament, health, structure, coat and color. To leave the breed with good solid respresentatives of said breed.

To better the breed is the pinnacle of success. If only one breeder could breed out a major health concern of the Yorkie, yet still come true to type, coat, color, temperament, what an accomplishment!

For me bettering the breed encompasses the whole dog. To leave this breed better in if not "all ways" but in at least one way, with not losing out on all other traits or characteristics of the breed.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Exactly!

The problem that I see is that some think that breeding is their right. They will do what they want and fight and argue their agenda whatever that might be. I'd much rather see someone whelping multiple litters of puppies that are excellent representation of the breed and then placed into excellent home.

Well I think they do think that, in fact our dogs as much as we love them, are treated under law as "property", and as such, I think that is where many of the attitudes come from. You do what you wish with your "property" always subject to laws governing the use, the selling of "said" property.

[megansmomma]

[quote=gemy;3378994]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Well IMO we need all breeders to do their utmost to "preserve" the breed. That is not so easy as you would think. to breed the right temperament, health, structure, coat and color. To leave the breed with good solid respresentatives of said breed.

To better the breed is the pinnacle of success. If only one breeder could breed out a major health concern of the Yorkie, yet still come true to type, coat, color, temperament, what an accomplishment!

For me bettering the breed encompasses the whole dog. To leave this breed better in if not "all ways" but in at least one way, with not losing out on all other traits or characteristics of the breed.

What is up with the weird quoting? I had to go back and redo my last post because it quoted me with a instead of YorkieRose.

As for what you are saying..............I couldn't agree more. That is what I find so troubling regarding so many breeders. They just don't understand what it takes to breed an excellent representation of the breed. This is exactly why there are so many people that are disappointed in the look of their adult yorkie. I really think that it is so much more relevant with this breed. To my untrained eye I look at Golden Retriever and they pretty much look the same (very generally speaking). You see a GR on the street and someone is not going to stop you and tell you that it isn't that breed you purchased. This is not to say that there are not health or temperament issues involved in these dogs. Just a very broad comparison and I am not saying other breeds should not be help to the standard.
There are so many threads on YT with members having hurt feelings when they are questioned or even argued with about their dog being a yorkie. The uninformed buyer purchases from a disreputable breeder and the dogs don't look anything like the breed, have health issues etc. that effect both the owner and dog for life. Who wants these kinds of breeding going on? It's just wrong.

[BFar]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Jodi, there's more to life than a dog show and I feel that if a person thinks that they need to put their precious animals in a kennel, then their priorities are a little messed up.

This has been asked about "pet breeders", but how about directed at those that show....just how many breeders do we need to "better the breed"? How many is too many? I know that some, within this thread, have said that 5-10 litters a year is fine depending on who the breeder is and on their facility and the money that they have to provide for care. Why is this okay?

If you are rigid about what your rules are for a good breeder, that's fine. But to condemn any breeder outside of your rules is narrow minded, IMO. However, you have the right to be narrow minded too.

[BFar]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Are you a "volume breeder"? My comments, along with my eye roll, was for those that are volume breeders and also those that are in support of them.

No, I am not a volume breeder. But I know some and they are dedicated to their dogs. It's what they spend most of their lives taking care of. It's not nice to roll your eyes. It's insulting. We can have a decent conversation without it.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by gemy

Tammy I'd trade places with my show dogs any day. First my dogs have all the best of food for their healthy diet, that is home cooked by me, and served up by me. Then I would have someone who would be bathe me frequently, and give me daily massages during bath times and before exercising and after exercising. I would have a high quality bed that supports my joints well. At the least little sneeze I'd be bundled up and taken to the doctor to see what is what.
Then I'd have someone who took me on lots of interesting walks and hikes, swimming in the lake in the summer, and in the winter at an indoor pool.
My hair would always be nicely brushed and I'd never have any knots.
Then 2 or 3 times a week I get to show off my jumping skills and heeling skills because I love to keep my brain engaged, and there is nothing I like more than working with the one I love the most.
I would have someone to give me a free weekly pedicure, and nice hairstyle too

Once a month or so I'd go to a really exciting place with lots of dogs around, and I'd get to strut my stuff in the ring. I love doing this because I know I'm with Mom 24/7 those days, and in her presence which is the bestest thing I could ask for.

Oh yes; I'd have someone to plan my vacations so that I could come, and then we'd swim everyday, and hike, and have BBq's.

I'd have someone who always buckled me into my car seat/crate, and took me all around, we get to meet lots of ppl when Mom's says let's go have fun and do some shopping too.

So yes Tammy I'd exchaange my life for that of one of my show dogs.

This sounds awesome. Never a dull moment for this pup I suppose.

To this I have a question. If a dog has the looks, and health to compete in the show ring, has a beautiful temperament, but just does not have the show personality, are they shown? Or would beautiful temperament = show personality? I'm sorry if that's a dumb question, I really know 0 about showing.

I know showing a dog is not comparable to a beauty pageant, because in a beauty pageant, people aren't up there for others to decide of they are "breeding worthy."
But, for the sake of argument, humor me and let's say they are the same just for a moment.
There are plenty of beautiful women in the world, that are sweet and have many talents. They don't all automatically go to talent shows because it just isn't their thing. Is this the same in the dog world?

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

This sounds awesome. Never a dull moment for this pup I suppose.

To this I have a question. If a dog has the looks, and health to compete in the show ring, has a beautiful temperament, but just does not have the show personality, are they shown? Or would beautiful temperament = show personality? I'm sorry if that's a dumb question, I really know 0 about showing.

I know showing a dog is not comparable to a beauty pageant, because in a beauty pageant, people aren't up there for others to decide of they are "breeding worthy."
But, for the sake of argument, humor me and let's say they are the same just for a moment.
There are plenty of beautiful women in the world, that are sweet and have many talents. They don't all automatically go to talent shows because it just isn't their thing. Is this the same in the dog world?

It's not a dumb question I know the dog needs to have the attitude/personality to go with everything else. I wouldn't take a dog in the show ring if it didn't have the outgoing personality because to me that shows the dog isn't enjoying himself why would you want to make it show? Just as with children, why make them play basketball if they don't have the drive or the want to play?
I know a mentor of mine had a nice yorkie that did have points on him and there was an incident where she fell in the ring because she slipped on the concrete on a piece of chicken and it scared the dog so bad that he didn't like the ring anymore and she never finished him because why put him through the anguish? To me they have to have it all and that includes personality

Donna

[YorkieRose]

[quote=gemy;3378994]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Well IMO we need all breeders to do their utmost to "preserve" the breed. That is not so easy as you would think. to breed the right temperament, health, structure, coat and color. To leave the breed with good solid respresentatives of said breed.

To better the breed is the pinnacle of success. If only one breeder could breed out a major health concern of the Yorkie, yet still come true to type, coat, color, temperament, what an accomplishment!

For me bettering the breed encompasses the whole dog. To leave this breed better in if not "all ways" but in at least one way, with not losing out on all other traits or characteristics of the breed.

IN a perfect world all breeders would care about the breed they produce...but I am sorry to say there are far more puppymilllers and poor breeders in the US then the good breeder. It is like an iceberg, as big as the top may be...what lies below is the real iceberg.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

It's not a dumb question I know the dog needs to have the attitude/personality to go with everything else. I wouldn't take a dog in the show ring if it didn't have the outgoing personality because to me that shows the dog isn't enjoying himself why would you want to make it show? Just as with children, why make them play basketball if they don't have the drive or the want to play?
I know a mentor of mine had a nice yorkie that did have points on him and there was an incident where she fell in the ring because she slipped on the concrete on a piece of chicken and it scared the dog so bad that he didn't like the ring anymore and she never finished him because why put him through the anguish? To me they have to have it all and that includes personality

Donna

Was it KFC

Sorry Donna I just couldn't help myself

There is a certain presence that you see and feel when you watch a dog in the ring. It's electrifying to watch and even more so in person. It would be like taking Ellie May Clampet to a beauty pageant. She was a hot little dish but out of her element in Beverly Hills

[BFar]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

PS..an unhappy, nelgected, unloved Yorkie does not a good show dog make...

[BFar]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

In turn, my question would be~" how many breeders do we need that are NOT bettering the breed"? I'd much rather see a well tended small home kennel producing 5 to 10 litters of puppies who is a member of a breeding club with governing rules to follow and answer to regarding their ethics and breeding vs the alternative. I have a home full of the alternative and see it here every day. Have you been reading and posting to any of the sick puppy threads since Christmas? It's heartbreaking to read and fathom how many horrible breeders there are cranking out puppies.

These horrible breeders you are referring to are not breeder/exhibitors. Do you find champion sired or fine pedigreed Yorkies in rescue? A Durrer, Nicnac, Pastoral, Stratford, Carneal, Tiffany, Mariah, etc.? Nope... they are in the finest of homes. You won't find one of mine unless it's over my dead body somehow.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

PS..an unhappy, nelgected, unloved Yorkie does not a good show dog make...

Originally Posted by BFar

I agree with this too. There is lots of one to one time training a show dog, I know many people don't believe that we should make our dogs work, but I know Joey loves the time I spend "trick training" him. His training is not about the result, but the idea that we are working together on something. He reminds me so much of my human kids when they had learned a new skill, it's like they are so darn proud of themselves. I really wish I had the skill set to train a dog for the ring.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by BFar

These horrible breeders you are referring to are not breeder/exhibitors. Do you find champion sired or fine pedigreed Yorkies in rescue? A Durrer, Nicnac, Pastoral, Stratford, Carneal, Tiffany, Mariah, etc.? Nope... they are in the finest of homes. You won't find one of mine unless it's over my dead body somehow.

Jodi knows that, I think you may have misread her reply. She works in rescue, and not all rescue workers are against breeding properly.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by BFar

These horrible breeders you are referring to are not breeder/exhibitors. Do you find champion sired or fine pedigreed Yorkies in rescue? A Durrer, Nicnac, Pastoral, Stratford, Carneal, Tiffany, Mariah, etc.? Nope... they are in the finest of homes. You won't find one of mine unless it's over my dead body somehow.