Question about Exhibitor / Show Breeder litters

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

She's "not" a YTCA member...

Thanks, I guess I should have looked it up first.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Thanks, I guess I should have looked it up first.

you're welcome no problem

[kjcmsw]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

She's "not" a YTCA member...

Maybe it's just me or the photos but the dogs look pretty big (over standard)??? Not the puppies, the others.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

and apparently one can be judged by whether or not they choose to show, etc...in the end showing, or # of litters isn't what determines a good dog, but I would agree, for me, I'd rather get a puppy from someone who doesn't have many litters on the floor at one time because it takes time to give each puppy individual time. About the time I think I'm exhausting giving three pups all the attention I think is important to their socialization I hear of someone with 10+ pups (from multiple litters). I think one has to know their limit and provide each pup with as much one-on-one time. If one can effectively do that for three or ten, it is they that know. But at first glance I, as a buyer, would mostly choose from the small litter breeder than the large (with all other things being equal in the pup) just because I don't believe the one with so many running around could possibly be adequately caring for them.
I take mine daily (5 days/wk) for car rides, one day (alternating days) a week just one pup comes to work with me for more individualized time (queen/king for the day sort of thing), etc., etc. It'd be hard for one person with 10+ pups to do that consistently and frequently I think.

Actually I'd buy from some of the breeders I mentioned in my previous post that probably have more than 5 litters a year "because" I know their lines and respect their breeding/showing program with NO hesitation

[kjcmsw]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Actually I'd buy from some of the breeders I mentioned in my previous post that probably have more than 5 litters a year "because" I know their lines and respect their breeding/showing program with NO hesitation

that's why I added, "with all things being equal" with the pup...which would include their "respectability", "lines", etc. I don't care how good one's line is...if there is only one person caring for the pups, a litter of three is going to get more individualized attention and care than someone with ten or more pups of similar ages. Now litters spread out over the course of year would be different, which is probably what the posts were talking about & I over spoke.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

Maybe it's just me or the photos but the dogs look pretty big (over standard)??? Not the puppies, the others.

I don't think you can tell much through a picture, we had one member who I thought owned a tiny and her dog turned out to be 13 pounds! Many good breeders like to show dogs on the higher end of standard, so 6-7 pounds is very common, but thats good for those of us who love pets 4-6 pounds!

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

that's why I added, "with all things being equal" with the pup...which would include their "respectability", "lines", etc. I don't care how good one's line is...if there is only one person caring for the pups, a litter of three is going to get more individualized attention and care than someone with ten or more pups of similar ages. Now litters spread out over the course of year would be different, which is probably what the posts were talking about & I over spoke.

[kjcmsw]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

@ Brooklyn: And I should add, I looked at your website and I think you have beautiful dogs!

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

@ Brooklyn: And I should add, I looked at your website and I think you have beautiful dogs!

She does have gorgeous dogs!

[magicgenie]

My post was no more than an honest expression of surprise. I have to go back and read some more posts as I'm very interested in knowing whether it is practical to expect to start a line with 1-2 breedings a year.

[FlDebra]

"But at first glance I, as a buyer, would mostly choose from the small litter breeder than the large (with all other things being equal in the pup) just because I don't believe the one with so many running around could possibly be adequately caring for them.
I take mine daily (5 days/wk) for car rides, one day (alternating days) a week just one pup comes to work with me for more individualized time (queen/king for the day sort of thing), etc., etc. It'd be hard for one person with 10+ pups to do that consistently and frequently I think"
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kjcmsw -- Keep in mind there are always other factors that go into how much time is actually spent on puppy care & development. For instance, you mention taking one at a time to work with you. Many do not work outside of the home and have ALL day 24/7 to contribute to the care of their pups. Others are away a huge portion of the day for work, transportation, socialization, etc. Some have several human children that need to share in the available "care hours." One breeder may devote most of her waking time to puppy/dog care and socialization. Another may see it as a chore to be taken care of and move on to their other interests.

There just isn't one formula that will fit for all. Sometimes there is a family involved with the business so the man-hours are doubled, tripled, or more..... giving the pups even more human contact & care than what you might see in a one person, one litter at a time operation. It just is never as simple as saying it is better to go with a smaller output breeding program. I think that is what is so important about knowing the breeder. Once you really get to know them and see them in action (more than once), you can get a feel for the true contribution they make to the puppies' care. Reputations are built on well-socialized pups as well as those closely adhering to the standards. That is sort of spilling over to the other factors you already mentioned like lines & respectability.

[kjcmsw]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

"But at first glance I, as a buyer, would mostly choose from the small litter breeder than the large (with all other things being equal in the pup) just because I don't believe the one with so many running around could possibly be adequately caring for them.
I take mine daily (5 days/wk) for car rides, one day (alternating days) a week just one pup comes to work with me for more individualized time (queen/king for the day sort of thing), etc., etc. It'd be hard for one person with 10+ pups to do that consistently and frequently I think"
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kjcmsw -- Keep in mind there are always other factors that go into how much time is actually spent on puppy care & development. For instance, you mention taking one at a time to work with you. Many do not work outside of the home and have ALL day 24/7 to contribute to the care of their pups. Others are away a huge portion of the day for work, transportation, socialization, etc. Some have several human children that need to share in the available "care hours." One breeder may devote most of her waking time to puppy/dog care and socialization. Another may see it as a chore to be taken care of and move on to their other interests.

There just isn't one formula that will fit for all. Sometimes there is a family involved with the business so the man-hours are doubled, tripled, or more..... giving the pups even more human contact & care than what you might see in a one person, one litter at a time operation. It just is never as simple as saying it is better to go with a smaller output breeding program. I think that is what is so important about knowing the breeder. Once you really get to know them and see them in action (more than once), you can get a feel for the true contribution they make to the puppies' care. Reputations are built on well-socialized pups as well as those closely adhering to the standards. That is sort of spilling over to the other factors you already mentioned like lines & respectability.

I understand all the possible variants. Just thinking "basically" with all things being equal.

The when a line starts conversation: wouldn't one's line start with the very first pup they bred and kept? Every line starts somewhere.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

and apparently one can be judged by whether or not they choose to show, etc...in the end showing, or # of litters isn't what determines a good dog, but I would agree, for me, I'd rather get a puppy from someone who doesn't have many litters on the floor at one time because it takes time to give each puppy individual time. About the time I think I'm exhausting giving three pups all the attention I think is important to their socialization I hear of someone with 10+ pups (from multiple litters). I think one has to know their limit and provide each pup with as much one-on-one time. If one can effectively do that for three or ten, it is they that know. But at first glance I, as a buyer, would mostly choose from the small litter breeder than the large (with all other things being equal in the pup) just because I don't believe the one with so many running around could possibly be adequately caring for them.
I take mine daily (5 days/wk) for car rides, one day (alternating days) a week just one pup comes to work with me for more individualized time (queen/king for the day sort of thing), etc., etc. It'd be hard for one person with 10+ pups to do that consistently and frequently I think.

I respect everything you do for your dogs but they sound more like pets than show dogs. When I purchase a dog I really want to see what goes on in the Breeders Kennel and their Lineage. How much does the Breeder know about the lines and how far back can she go with HER lines. I got my show dogs when they turned 6 months old. To me thats perfect. Bottom line, I know what I am getting.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

@ Brooklyn: And I should add, I looked at your website and I think you have beautiful dogs!

Thank you so much! I have to say Radar isn't of my breeding but I do own him but he comes from GREAT lines and those who have bred his lines have many years of breeding behind them. His pedigree is available online many places. I don't have a line but I'm starting with what I feel the best route for me. I can't have a line until one sees my line "brooklynn" in at least 3 to 4 generations back. I may never get that far because I don't breed or have many to breed. I'm small scale but if I eventually have a line it will be only the best and with a good reputation and me being the best I can at what I do. But I would owe those that trusted me with "their" lines that got me started with mine. Health with being "MY" top priority!!

Donna

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

She does have gorgeous dogs!

Thank you I appreciate the compliments