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Old 07-31-2010, 02:24 PM   #1
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I know nothing about showing and the points the terms etc. So if I'm not saying this right, correct me.

is it possible to champion or finish a dog without traveling a great deal.

How many shows does it typically take to get all their points.

If someone would take the time to explain the whole process, I would appreciate it.
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I know nothing about showing and the points the terms etc. So if I'm not saying this right, correct me.

is it possible to champion or finish a dog without traveling a great deal.

How many shows does it typically take to get all their points.

If someone would take the time to explain the whole process, I would appreciate it.
Well in terms of travelling that depends on where you live and how many dog shows are currently being held in your state. If you go to www.akc.org and do a search by your state, you can get to see up to 12 mths I think future shows in your state.
Certainly you will have to travel some. Unless you have an RV that usually means staying 1-2 nights in a motel.

The number of shows to get all their pts, that's tricky, not as predictable, because it is dependent on the number of dogs of your breed entered on a given competition day. Sometimes it can be hard to find a major, outside of the Roving Specialties, and you need two majors from two different judges to finish your championship. In total you need 15 points. And you can't earn any points unless you beat the class competition and earn the WD - winners dog or Winners Bitch. This means you beat all dogs entered at the class level.

So one way you could estimate is to take a look at the shows in the past 12 months in your state, and find out the number of Yorkies entered in the past. Look at the class entries male/female entries, then if there were specials entered.

If you make the acquaintance of other show Yorkie breeders, they might be able to let you know when and where they will be showing.
So once you get all that information then you will have a better idea of "how" long to finish your dog.
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I know nothing about showing and the points the terms etc. So if I'm not saying this right, correct me.

is it possible to champion or finish a dog without traveling a great deal.

How many shows does it typically take to get all their points.

If someone would take the time to explain the whole process, I would appreciate it.

No, it is not possible to finish a dog in your own back yard. It's also very dependent in what region you live in.

The AKC point system is an indicator. Go to each breed and see how many dogs are needed for each point. If the number of dogs is greater, it's an indication there is more dogs of that breed are being shown in said region. That being said, it is also an indicator that the competition is greater. The the greatest indicator on how quickly a dog is finished is the quality of the dog, how it is being presented, etc.

California is a difficult state to find Majors in, so traveling is a necessity. In the Texas region, which includes; OK, NM, I think AR....Majors are a bit more plentiful....but you still have to travel to shows. On the average, if you have a good dog, it can Champion quickly.....

Again there is no typical answer on how quickly they Champion. I've had some dogs that Champion at 14 months of age....other's taking a bit longer....but, average is about 6 months of attending shows and that is only once every 3 weeks.......That is unless you have an exceptional dog and I've seen them......Champion in 2 or 3 weekends of showing....but, those are 3 or 4 day shows.
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Here is some information that may be helpful. The first link just shows point system for the different division. The second link is general information about showing.

Point schedule:
http://www.akc.org/events/conformati...t_schedule.cfm

A beginners guide to dog shows:
American Kennel Club - A Beginner's Guide to Dog Shows

It is possible to finish a dog without traveling a lot if you live in an area where there is lots of shows and if majors are available at some of those shows. Of course a lot depends on your dog too. A dog could actually finish in three shows if the shows were all 5 point majors and the dog won in each show. Again, it also depends on your division, the number of dogs and the quality of dogs you are competing against. From what I have heard it is harder to champion a dog in AKC shows versus UKC shows. I have never shown UKC so I don't know how those work. I would love to attend one of their shows someday.

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Here is some information that may be helpful. The first link just shows point system for the different division. The second link is general information about showing.

Point schedule:
American Kennel Club - Point Schedule

A beginners guide to dog shows:
American Kennel Club - A Beginner's Guide to Dog Shows

It is possible to finish a dog without traveling a lot if you live in an area where there is lots of shows and if majors are available at some of those shows. Of course a lot depends on your dog too. A dog could actually finish in three shows if the shows were all 5 point majors and the dog won in each show. Again, it also depends on your division, the number of dogs and the quality of dogs you are competing against. From what I have heard it is harder to champion a dog in AKC shows versus UKC shows. I have never shown UKC so I don't know how those work. I would love to attend one of their shows someday.
As we both know the competition is stiff in Texas. A lot more shows, but traveling is still necessary.

It is my understanding that UKC is a much more relaxed venue. But, a great training ground for the inexperienced exhibitor. Speaking to those that have shown in UKC, you can finish a dog in a weekend. I've also heard that those shows are not as plentiful as AKC.
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Since I have shown UKC I can add some input here. It is possible to finish a dog in one weekend because normally there are 4 to 6 shows in a weekend. I won't say it's easier because like AKC there are judge favorites. I have seen some judges put up a dog that was silver and blond against a dog with correct coloring. Both had decent structure however the silver dog had a full coat. The reasoning I found out later was the exhibitors friend is a judge and that judge had lunch with the other judge prior to the Yorkies being in the ring. Anyway I digress, with UKC you need a total of 100 points and 3 competition wins under 3 different judges, which like AKC you have to get Best Male or Best Female which is similar to Winners dog and Winners Bitch however if there are no other of the same sex showing against you then you would have to get best of winners to get the competition win. But if you are the only one with that breed you would have to get no less than 4th in group but there has to be at least 5 other dogs in group for you to get a competition win. UKC shows are a good way to get ring practice and it is more relaxed in the sense that you aren't showing against handlers but there are people who are diehard UKC exhibitors, so you do get the competition. Hope this helps
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As we both know the competition is stiff in Texas. A lot more shows, but traveling is still necessary.

It is my understanding that UKC is a much more relaxed venue. But, a great training ground for the inexperienced exhibitor. Speaking to those that have shown in UKC, you can finish a dog in a weekend. I've also heard that those shows are not as plentiful as AKC.
In the Houston, about a two hour drive from where I live, the only majors are usually the Yorkie specialty and toy show, so there are 4 days of majors and that's it. The Dallas area, a 5 hour drive for me, has more majors. It does take an exceptional dog to win every show. I know every breeder/exhibitor has their own way of doing things. Some will go to small local shows to get all the single points and then hit the road for the majors or put the dog with a handler. Others will just hold the dog back until it is in full coat and then just hit the bigger shows that are majors. As for cost, it gets expensive entering a lot of small shows. It can be better in the long run holding back until your dog is really ready but I think for the novice exhibitor, the experience you gain from the smaller shows is very valuable and it can be a lot of fun.
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In the Houston, about a two hour drive from where I live, the only majors are usually the Yorkie specialty and toy show, so there are 4 days of majors and that's it. The Dallas area, a 5 hour drive for me, has more majors. It does take an exceptional dog to win every show. I know every breeder/exhibitor has their own way of doing things. Some will go to small local shows to get all the single points and then hit the road for the majors or put the dog with a handler. Others will just hold the dog back until it is in full coat and then just hit the bigger shows that are majors. As for cost, it gets expensive entering a lot of small shows. It can be better in the long run holding back until your dog is really ready but I think for the novice exhibitor, the experience you gain from the smaller shows is very valuable and it can be a lot of fun.
The Dallas/ Ft. Worth area has 3 shows a year, With Trinity Valley/Collin County/Texas Kennel Club holding 2 shows a year. And Fort Worth holding one a year and then there is the Bluebonnet Specialty, held in conjunction with the Toy Dog Specialty. San Antonio holding two shows a year; which still takes traveling for some. Then there is Nolan River, Texarkana, Beaumont, Denton and several more trhoughout the state are known to pull majors, all requiring travel. OK has several shows that pull large enteries. Then there is Kansas & MO....all big venues.
Texas is a big state and it takes a lot of traveling to get from one venue to another. The # of yorkies it takes to Champion is greater in this Division. And yes it is expensive. One needs to pick and choose their shows carefully.
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This is like reading a foreign language. I will go to the links posted and read those and then I'm sure I will have more questions.

Is fnishing a dog and championing a dog the same thing?
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This is like reading a foreign language. I will go to the links posted and read those and then I'm sure I will have more questions.

Is fnishing a dog and championing a dog the same thing?

Yes to finish is I guess just a shorter way of saying getting/obtaining their championship
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Yes to finish is I guess just a shorter way of saying getting/obtaining their championship
Finishing is used as a way of stating their dog has completed their Championship.....Meaning the dog done, completed the necessary steps to obtain their Championship. Just dog show jargon.

I was told in the very beginning, when I had so many questions, that everything would come together, once I got in the ring. It did, but not instantaniously. There are still some of the nuances that I don't have down pat.....and have to go to the rules to clarify.
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This is like reading a foreign language. I will go to the links posted and read those and then I'm sure I will have more questions.

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Yes, finishing a dog and championing a dog is the same thing.
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Since I have shown UKC I can add some input here. It is possible to finish a dog in one weekend because normally there are 4 to 6 shows in a weekend. I won't say it's easier because like AKC there are judge favorites. I have seen some judges put up a dog that was silver and blond against a dog with correct coloring. Both had decent structure however the silver dog had a full coat. The reasoning I found out later was the exhibitors friend is a judge and that judge had lunch with the other judge prior to the Yorkies being in the ring. Anyway I digress, with UKC you need a total of 100 points and 3 competition wins under 3 different judges, which like AKC you have to get Best Male or Best Female which is similar to Winners dog and Winners Bitch however if there are no other of the same sex showing against you then you would have to get best of winners to get the competition win. But if you are the only one with that breed you would have to get no less than 4th in group but there has to be at least 5 other dogs in group for you to get a competition win. UKC shows are a good way to get ring practice and it is more relaxed in the sense that you aren't showing against handlers but there are people who are diehard UKC exhibitors, so you do get the competition. Hope this helps
There will always be the possibility of politics being involved in any show, whether it be AKC, UKC or CKC. Long time exhibitors and breeders know lots of people and they know judges but that does not automatically mean the judge will put them up. You cannot know a dogs faults just by looking at it from ringside. Of course some faults are very visible, like a bad topline, but other faults can be hidden under the coat. Faults like a bad bite can only be seen by the judge unless you personally have looked at a dogs bite. Also, judges look at more than just the color of the coat. The lighter dog might have had better texture than the darker dog. From my observations of many of the UKC champions I have seen pictures of are darker, soft coated dogs that could not win in the AKC show ring.
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There will always be the possibility of politics being involved in any show, whether it be AKC, UKC or CKC. Long time exhibitors and breeders know lots of people and they know judges but that does not automatically mean the judge will put them up. You cannot know a dogs faults just by looking at it from ringside. Of course some faults are very visible, like a bad topline, but other faults can be hidden under the coat. Faults like a bad bite can only be seen by the judge unless you personally have looked at a dogs bite. Also, judges look at more than just the color of the coat. The lighter dog might have had better texture than the darker dog. From my observations of many of the UKC champions I have seen pictures of are darker, soft coated dogs that could not win in the AKC show ring.
It is also my understanding that to obtain points in the UKC ring, it isn't necessary to compete against another dog. The point system is entirely different, making it very easy to finish a dog in one weekend.
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It is also my understanding that to obtain points in the UKC ring, it isn't necessary to compete against another dog. The point system is entirely different, making it very easy to finish a dog in one weekend.
Points aren't the whole story. You can get 10 points just for finishing your class but you must obtain 3 wins with competition to obtain your championship. In the end the difficulty depends on the quality and quantity of the competition. One of the top dobies in the country competes in UKC and Westminster. Sharon Griffin is not only the president of an AKC yorkie club but also has the top UKC yorkie in the country. UKC is just an other arena to get your breeding stock evaluated.
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