Question for exhibitors

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by gemy

That is good to know. Maybe I should look at a motorized wheel chair to show my blackies. I've never seen it here in Canada, but I don't show a lot myself in the states.

Question: for the toy breeds do they lower the table for the examination?

No, they don't lower the table.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

You know I was taught my very old timer. That was one of the first things she taught me, I can still hear her loud and clear: "DON'T BRUSH YOUR DOG ON THE TABLE". Some of the other things she drummed into me, still stick with me.

Yeah I know LOL but most allow it now except a few of the old timers and yes I brush on the table if allowed but it's short and sweet as I don't want to take too long.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Yeah I know LOL but most allow it now except a few of the old timers and yes I brush on the table if allowed but it's short and sweet as I don't want to take too long.

Yeah I know. I've found it's futile anyway, if I do brush, put them on the floor and they shake....so, I'll brush once I put them down.

[Ladyhawk]

I was taught to put my brush on the table in case the judge would like to use it but not to brush on the table myself. I wait to brush the dog once it's on the floor with my back turned to the judge. I hustle as I hate to keep the judge waiting. With Ace constant brushing just makes him mad anyway.
I had to toss my brush outside of the ring or be excused once when I was showing UKC. I honestly forgot that I had it in my hand. I wasn't going to brush the 6 month old puppy anyway. A lot of UKC judges will let you use bait now; it's posted at the ring entrance.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

I was taught to put my brush on the table in case the judge would like to use it but not to brush on the table myself. I wait to brush the dog once it's on the floor with my back turned to the judge. I hustle as I hate to keep the judge waiting. With Ace constant brushing just makes him mad anyway.
I had to toss my brush outside of the ring or be excused once when I was showing UKC. I honestly forgot that I had it in my hand. I wasn't going to brush the 6 month old puppy anyway. A lot of UKC judges will let you use bait now; it's posted at the ring entrance.

That's exactly as I was taught, it's out of respect to the judge. Not to keep them waiting. Putting the brush on the table for the judge is what I was taught. However, very few judges pick it up and use it. The European and South American judges do.

[topknot]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I know nothing about showing and the points the terms etc. So if I'm not saying this right, correct me.

is it possible to champion or finish a dog without traveling a great deal.

How many shows does it typically take to get all their points.

If someone would take the time to explain the whole process, I would appreciate it.

Travel or not to shows? - Most people must travel to get the shows. They have a circuit in which the shows are scheduled. I know that Atlanta shows are every Feb. and August. I usually have to travel about an hour to two or three hours to get the the shows I want to participate in. There of course are more shows, but I do not like to travel past that time, unless it was a special show and then I would be willing to travel 5 hours to it (one way). I know the the NY Specialty is longer, but that one is very special to attend and worth the extra time.

How many (AKC) shows does it take to finsh a dog - it depends on your dog (quality) and the day as well as its competition. I had one finish in three weekends and all majors but one. I then had several finish in two months due to shows not every weekend, so it took longer because of the show schedule. But then I heard a person tell me just this Sat. that she only had one point on her dog after 4 years of showing it (weekend shows once a month). I know of others that never finished theirs after great attemps to get them finshed, including hiring professional handlers. So it really depends on how nice of a dog you have.

[JeanieK]

Why are the divisions scored differently and can you only show in the division in which you live? And what is a major?

[bjh]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Why are the divisions scored differently and can you only show in the division in which you live? And what is a major?

The point scale is based on the number of dogs for each breed shown at various shows in each region the previous year. The point scale is updated each year. Sometimes the number of dogs or bitches needed for a major can go up or down. Anyone can show in any region. Often handler will travel around hitting the different show circuits. In areas where fewer yorkies are shown it takes less dogs to make a major and in the more populated areas where therer are lots of entries it takes more to make a major.

[JeanieK]

When reading the number of dogs entered last year it says Total 3 1-2-(0-0)-0
What does all that mean?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by bjh

The point scale is based on the number of dogs for each breed shown at various shows in each region the previous year. The point scale is updated each year. Sometimes the number of dogs or bitches needed for a major can go up or down. Anyone can show in any region. Often handler will travel around hitting the different show circuits. In areas where fewer yorkies are shown it takes less dogs to make a major and in the more populated areas where therer are lots of entries it takes more to make a major.

What is a major?

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

What is a major?

The number of dogs beaten. For example...a three point major would mean there were 4 dogs in the ring. Yours and 3 others.

Then you can also get totally confused by learning...you can be awarded points of the dogs beaten directly or indirectly. Indirectly meaning if a dog you beat in the ring has beaten more dogs than your own...you receive those points. Points are limited to 5 regardless of how many in the ring or how many another beat.

Points are only earned at winner's. All the bitches compete in their age class, all the dogs compete in theirs....from there one is awarded winner's bitch and winner's dog....between those two...one is awarded best of winner's.

Clear as mud? lol. It has taken me 1 year and half to figure it out.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

What is a major?

If you go back to that first link I posted that had the point scale for the different divisions it will show you how many dogs of each sex you have to beat in order to receive points from 1 to 5 per show. You live in Division 6.
Division 6 is comprised of: Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Wisconsin. In Division 6 it takes 7 dogs for a 3 point major and it takes 8 bitches for a 3 point major. For a dog to become a champion it has to win at least two shows that are majors and those major wins have to be under two different judges. It takes a total of 15 points for a dog to become a champion and those points have to be won under at least three different judges.

At a dog show all the males are shown first. There are different class divisions that exhibitors can enter their dogs in like puppy class, 12 to 18 month class, bred by exhibitor class, open class, there are other class beside those. After each class is judged then the 1st place winners of each class come back into the ring to complete for winners dog. The best male is awarded winners dog and is gets the points based on the number of other dogs he beat. After winners dog is selected the judge will select the reserve winners dog but that dog does not win any points unless later the winners dog is found to be disqualified. After the males are judged then the bitches are judged in the same manner. After the class dogs are judged then the winners dog and the winners bitch come back in the ring along with any specials (dogs or bitches that are already champions) and then judge will select Best of Breed, Best of Winners and Best of Opposite Sex.

For example if the winners bitch was awarded 3 points based on bitch entries and the winners dog was awarded 2 points based on males entries then if the male was awarded Best of Winners then he would be awarded 3 points instead of 2 since he beat the winners bitch.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bjh

If you go back to that first link I posted that had the point scale for the different divisions it will show you how many dogs of each sex you have to beat in order to receive points from 1 to 5 per show. You live in Division 6.
Division 6 is comprised of: Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Wisconsin. In Division 6 it takes 7 dogs for a 3 point major and it takes 8 bitches for a 3 point major. For a dog to become a champion it has to win at least two shows that are majors and those major wins have to be under two different judges. It takes a total of 15 points for a dog to become a champion and those points have to be won under at least three different judges.

At a dog show all the males are shown first. There are different class divisions that exhibitors can enter their dogs in like puppy class, 12 to 18 month class, bred by exhibitor class, open class, there are other class beside those. After each class is judged then the 1st place winners of each class come back into the ring to complete for winners dog. The best male is awarded winners dog and is gets the points based on the number of other dogs he beat. After winners dog is selected the judge will select the reserve winners dog but that dog does not win any points unless later the winners dog is found to be disqualified. After the males are judged then the bitches are judged in the same manner. After the class dogs are judged then the winners dog and the winners bitch come back in the ring along with any specials (dogs or bitches that are already champions) and then judge will select Best of Breed, Best of Winners and Best of Opposite Sex.

For example if the winners bitch was awarded 3 points based on bitch entries and the winners dog was awarded 2 points based on males entries then if the male was awarded Best of Winners then he would be awarded 3 points instead of 2 since he beat the winners bitch.

I think I just read that the classes have just changed. Can't remember where I read it but, it is 6-9 months 9-12, 12-15 & 15-18 months.....I'll double check.

Just remembered. It was in the entry form when entering a puppy in the South Bay Show.
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[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

The number of dogs beaten. For example...a three point major would mean there were 4 dogs in the ring. Yours and 3 others.

Then you can also get totally confused by learning...you can be awarded points of the dogs beaten directly or indirectly. Indirectly meaning if a dog you beat in the ring has beaten more dogs than your own...you receive those points. Points are limited to 5 regardless of how many in the ring or how many another beat.

Points are only earned at winner's. All the bitches compete in their age class, all the dogs compete in theirs....from there one is awarded winner's bitch and winner's dog....between those two...one is awarded best of winner's.

Clear as mud? lol. It has taken me 1 year and half to figure it out.

This is only if the dog you beat is a Champion and your dog is a class dog....meaning you go over the Champion.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by bjh

For example if the winners bitch was awarded 3 points based on bitch entries and the winners dog was awarded 2 points based on males entries then if the male was awarded Best of Winners then he would be awarded 3 points instead of 2 since he beat the winners bitch.

Originally Posted by Mardelin

This is only if the dog you beat is a Champion and your dog is a class dog....meaning you go over the Champion.

And not as the example given above?