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Old 02-03-2012, 08:26 PM   #1
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Love Help. Muffin crying yipping scooting intermittently

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I need your help, as the doctors, the ER, and even my wholistic vet cannot seem to find the problem with Muffin. I'm at my wits end. Muffin has been scooting, crying, jumping and running around, snapping at her rear end, etc. It's as if she is being bitten by something every now and then. All the medical people including my wholistic vet and my neighborhood traditional vet and the wonderful ER which I have now visited with muffin 5 times, all say it is her anal glands. They have been expressed several times in the past few days, all with no relief. I even have her on an antibiotic with three doses so far and she is still scooting and barking and crying and trying to bite at her rear. This happens intermittently, and when it does it seems she is in such distress I immeditately take her down to the ER. Nothing seems to help. I just don't know what to do. If this antibiotic doesn't work, I'm not sure what to do except to have x-rays done. I'm in the process of getting her Perfect Form for fiber in her diet, per my wholistic vet, even though my traditional vet says there is no evidence that it helps with anal glands. Has anyone had any experience with this? Any ideas? I'm all out of ideas. I just don't know what to do anymore, and the medical community is not helping her. So I as usual turn to you guys, my trusty faithful pals, that know absolutely everything. Can anybody help us. We would be most grateful. I've even started thinking maybe it's emotional, even though it doesn't seem so. She does seem to get quiet when we pick her up and massage her rear. Please help! Anybody-we are desperate.

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Also, they've ruled out fleas She is not an outside doggy, as most of our precious ones are not. She rarely if ever goes outside and it is usually in a gated covered dog run if she does.

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I am inclined to say get the xray. This is not normal, and an xray can rule out alot of internal things or shed light on the real problem. After the xray I'd say process of elimination can begin and we can all help you with that!

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Thanks Lynzy420,

I so appreciate your input. I'm so mystified and fearful, I just don't know what to think anymore. I know the girls may be feeling my anxiety, and I try to cover it up, but they are so smart, they know when mommy's worried. I just keep wanting to run down to the ER whenever she starts to cry. I feel so helpless. And wouldn't you know it, it is always at night that it happens so I can't go to a Vet, which is expensive enough as it is, but I have to go to the ER- MOST expensive form of treatment there is. Oh well, they are my babies, and I spare no expense when it comes to them. But I really am worried. What could it be?

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I have a ShihTzu who does the Exact same thing & it is very stressing both for him & me. I tried everything & found the only thing that helps is metamucil in his food each meal. Anal problems are most often caused by allergies to something. I know with him it's seasonal & it gets bad, I have never seen anything like it before. His little bum hole gets very red & irritated as well & I have to put neosporin on it. Dogs also get anal fissures(sp) and are Very painful, you may need to have your vet check for that as well.
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Thanks Lillymae,
I did look at her little bum and it does seem red. I used super duper magnifying glasses, (I work with tiny tiny beads, so I need these), because my friend said she knew someone who had the same issues with their dachshund and the vet missed that he had fleas. So I looked for fleas. Her coat is black black black and coarse, very coarse, and she was very wiggly, but I did not see any fleas or any live thing moving. And this was while I was wearing Double thick Magnifying glasses. I may have missed them, but if they were there, I would be surprised if I didn't see even one. Still- might have missed them. Oh Gosh, now I am getting all itchy all over my body (LOL). But what you said about allergy, I thought, maybe I used a shampoo she is not used to and she is allergic. Who knows. I think I've used it before, but maybe she just got allergic to it recently. I know I've used other products much more often than this product. It's a thought. I was thinking I would give her little butt a wash with something someone mentioned to me-don't remember who, Dawn dishwashing detergent kills fleas and I believe is non toxic and much safer than flea soaps etc. I have to double check before I use it on her. Just to rule out fleas-if I missed them. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Also this fissure thing-I need to mention it to the vet. Never thought of that. I am a little worried about this.
PS Do you think pumpkin would help in place of metamucil?

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Thanks Lillymae,
I did look at her little bum and it does seem red. I used super duper magnifying glasses, (I work with tiny tiny beads, so I need these), because my friend said she knew someone who had the same issues with their dachshund and the vet missed that he had fleas. So I looked for fleas. Her coat is black black black and coarse, very coarse, and she was very wiggly, but I did not see any fleas or any live thing moving. And this was while I was wearing Double thick Magnifying glasses. I may have missed them, but if they were there, I would be surprised if I didn't see even one. Still- might have missed them. Oh Gosh, now I am getting all itchy all over my body (LOL). But what you said about allergy, I thought, maybe I used a shampoo she is not used to and she is allergic. Who knows. I think I've used it before, but maybe she just got allergic to it recently. I know I've used other products much more often than this product. It's a thought. I was thinking I would give her little butt a wash with something someone mentioned to me-don't remember who, Dawn dishwashing detergent kills fleas and I believe is non toxic and much safer than flea soaps etc. I have to double check before I use it on her. Just to rule out fleas-if I missed them. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Also this fissure thing-I need to mention it to the vet. Never thought of that. I am a little worried about this.
PS Do you think pumpkin would help in place of metamucil?
You can try the pumpkin or frozen thawed green beans for fiber as it works for most dogs but I was feeding a half of a small can of pumpkin a day & it did not help him, not normal. This is why we had to use the metamucil. If your baby is having a flea allergy then you should be able to see her itching like crazy & sores on her . You can also do an epsom salt soak on her bum, it does not burn raw skin either but helps to sooth it. I would also put neosporin on her bum as it does help. I use the one with pain relief & you can use cortaid as well, I rotate them.
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I don't know how all vets are, but I know if I call mine to ask a question like this the vet tech will talk to Dr. and either the Dr. or the vet tech will call me back with information and/or advice.

As with all medications, ncluding Neosporin and any steroid cream etc., I would consult with a Dr. Neosporin is for external use only, dogs being the lickers that they are...also, there are many documented ramifications of using steroid creams etc.,

There are so many things that can go wrong with our little ones. I would opt for the xray to rule out all the other possibilities first. After that, I would then proceed with all the other safe home remedies.

Not to mention the xray would give you some peace of mind.

When any dog presents with sudden symptoms, especially as you described, something is obviously not right, you've already tried many things, get the xray to alleve your fears. You know your baby better than anyone, what does your gut tell you?

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Antibiotics can take days to show effect. I would not give up on them after three doses if you did not see improvement. They can still show symptoms of infection even after the antibiotic is at therapeutic level in the blood and starts working on the infection - the symptoms will just start lessening.

I agree w the others; I def would keep on top of this if the antibiotics do not work. I would ask your vet when he thinks you should start seeing improvement on this antibiotic.
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Thank you all so much. I do think that if she starts yipping, snarling and whining I will take her in for an xray and continue with the antibiotic. I'll also ask about anal fissures and to double check the flea thing. Also will continue to follow up with the pumpkin and adding more fiber to her diet. Oh, I was thinking, if she had fleas, wouldn't Cassie have them too. I mean, Muffy has been doing this for about three to four weeks. The girls sleep together, eat together, play together. I mean, wouldn't Cassie be scratching too? After about a month of this? And wouldn't they be all over? Not just on her rear? Just trying to rule things out. She doesn't complain about any where else but her rear. Don't you think I can rule fleas out by what I have written above? Just wondering.
Thanks all so much for your input. You have no idea how much it means. Lynzy420, my wholistic vet gave me some cream for her little butt, so I will use that before any neosporin. I will ask her about it before I use any thing on Muffy. But just to let you know, Muffy cannot reach her tail or butte to bite or lick, her body is too short :-)
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Thanks gidget529,
That was a GREAT! idea about asking my Vet when I should start to see improvement on this antibiotic. I can't believe I didn't think of this. Where is my brain? I'm calling him today.
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I had a Shih Tsu that had an anal gland infection. It took three rounds of antibiotics to clear it up. It's my understanding that anal gland infections are quite difficult to heal and often take multiple rounds and different antibiotics. Did they see indications of infection when they expressed her? As well as the antibiotics we took her in weekly to be expressed. My girl was quite elderly at the time but when the infection finally cleared up, the difference in her was dramatic. I hope Muffin gets feeling better soon!
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The only experience I've had with Brandi that sounds similar was she was impacted, I thought she was pooping normally prior to her yelping, but an xray proved differently, just a thought...hope Muffin feels better soon!
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Also sometimes when they are infected & it's diff with each dog but if you express the anals daily or every other day while on the antibiotics the infection will clear up much faster. I have to do my boy daily when his are infected & if I do this it clears up in 1 round of meds otherwise he needs 2 or 3 rounds of meds. This is a trick my vet taught me.
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Hello everyone,

Just thought I would post an update on Muffin. I had to take her to the ER again last night. She was still having symptoms with dragging her little butte and crying. I saw the ER doctor that I love and together we went over all the possibilities. We definitely ruled out fleas, allergies, fistulas and anal fissures.
She expressed her anals again and said the left side seemed somewhat inflamed. She wanted to wait on the xrays. She said there has to be some contrast on xrays to actually see anything. Any small changes in anal glands would not show up. She doubts there is anything internal that Muffin swallowed. She says the current signs still point to inflamed anal glands. We decided to continue with the antibiotics, cream on her little butte, warm wet compresses, herbal tea bags, and she bathed the anals internally with a solution of anti inflammatory and antibiotic. She told me to wait a while longer to see if it doesn't clear up. It it doesn't then it is back to square one. Hoping for good results.
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