Response from AKC concerning coat Colors

[YorkieRose]

No, nothing has changed...AKC and YTCA has always allowed the 4 colors..never have they allowed chocolates, parti's, etc...
Some breeders were trying to include the parti colors..so they voted and it was turned down.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by diggy4

Is this why AKC is DQ'ing the other color options for show? They want to get back to the steel/tan in the ring?

Only DQ will be the white parti-color's as in briewers into the show ring. You can still show a black dog because it's not a DQ however it is a fault but not a DQ. I just need to go and read what the DQ says LOL but too lazy and would have to search too much in my emails.

[diggy4]

Okay so you like get marked down for black but it is acceptable...I get it.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by diggy4

Okay so you like get marked down for black but it is acceptable...I get it.

Someone stated earlier in this post....if a judge sees a black dog with the correct structure and movement over anything else in the class or breed some judges will put up a black dog if there is nothing else there that is better. But what ticks me off is when you have a correct blue and good structure and moving dog with a good bite and a black dog goes up that's just wrong!!!! And another poster said political it plays alot in the show ring! UNFORTUNATELY!!! I'll still show/breed closest to the standard and health and do it for the love of the breed and continue to say....Just another day at the dog show when a less than quality dog wins over a good quality and say that judge needs more education LOL!
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[YorkieRose]

It all depends on the judge and what they stress as most important in an entry..that is why breeders ask other breeders what "type" a judge perfers..then they know what shows to enter. Why drive for 4 hrs if a judge loves a very dark dog.... no need entering a lighter one in most cases...we would love to say the judge is the expert and is never wrong..but it is just not so..some judges think black is best..others want a baby face..-other want lots of leg, others look for a compact dog..
Most are fair and know the standard...

[diggy4]

Okay I totally see what your saying now. The best doesnt always win I knew nothing about proper coloring or what it takes in a show ring befoe this thread thanks all i am learning lots!

[YorkieRose]

Donna...unfortunately some judges look at who is holding the lead instead the dog at the end of it..a fact plain and simple, but you learn to deal with it...LOL

[YorkieRose]

Diggy...the judge might see something we at ring side can not, perhaps a missing tooth on a beautiful blue and gold dog....

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Donna...unfortunately some judges look at who is holding the lead instead the dog at the end of it..a fact plain and simple, but you learn to deal with it...LOL

Oh don't I know that's right!!! hence the word political!!! LOL and my saying everytime, another day at the dog show LOL


That happened to me in July a dog that won shouldn't have but did because of who was behind the lead and again....another day at the dog show LOL

[feminvstr]

At a recent show (I didnt attend but a good friend/exhibitor did) his bitch is very light and small framed, she has 9 points (one a 5 point major last year) The Judge told my friend if his bitch was in the ring starting October 1st 2007 he would have to DQ her because of the impending standard change. There was another judge within ear shot and got into the converstation, which became somewhat of a heated discussion...they said in their opinion this change in the standard its going to force exhibitors to enhance the dogs if they want to win

Color:
BLUE: is a dark steel-blue not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs.
Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots that in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be No sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.


the new standard plain and simple reads QD'ing faults

Any color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small s**te spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1" at its longest dimension.[/B]

I had posted this published in the AKC Gazett - May edition a while back!
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...light=standard

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

At a recent show (I didnt attend but a good friend/exhibitor did) his bitch is very light and small framed, she has 9 points (one a 5 point major last year) The Judge told my friend if his bitch was in the ring starting October 1st 2007 he would have to DQ her because of the impending standard change. There was another judge within ear shot and got into the converstation, which became somewhat of a heated discussion...they said in their opinion this change in the standard its going to force exhibitors to enhance the dogs if they want to win

Color:
BLUE: is a dark steel-blue not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs.
Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots that in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be No sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.


the new standard plain and simple reads QD'ing faults

Any color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small s**te spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1" at its longest dimension.[/B]

I had posted this published in the AKC Gazett - May edition a while back!
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...light=standard

A judge said that to an exhibitor friend of mine this past weekend as well and it was said from the puppy class and what I got out of that will be a lot won't be showing puppies if that's the case either....I believe there needed to be a disqualification in our standard but not sure if the wording of this new DQ will be a good one. JMO
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

A judge said that to an exhibitor friend of mine this past weekend as well and it was said from the puppy class and what I got out of that will be a lot won't be showing puppies if that's the case either....I believe there needed to be a disqualification in our standard but not sure if the wording of this new DQ will be a good one. JMO
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Donna, now that surprises me, why would this affect the puppy classes? Many pups don't acheive the steel blue and tan for many months, so are you saying they think a pup should be DQ'd if his/her breaking is apparent ? so the late breakers would be DQ'd?

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

A judge said that to an exhibitor friend of mine this past weekend as well and it was said from the puppy class and what I got out of that will be a lot won't be showing puppies if that's the case either....I believe there needed to be a disqualification in our standard but not sure if the wording of this new DQ will be a good one. JMO
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

If you check the YTCA website, the standard for pups is black and tan, so I don't think puppies will have a problem but the standard for adults is Blue and tan - only. Black adult coats is not listed in the breed standards.

Black coated adults would be considered off standard since the August 2006, disqualification ruling that was made to disqualify parti-colored and colors other than specified in the standard, was made.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Donna, now that surprises me, why would this affect the puppy classes? Many pups don't acheive the steel blue and tan for many months, so are you saying they think a pup should be DQ'd if his/her breaking is apparent ? so the late breakers would be DQ'd?

It surprised me also...I know they don't achieve that until adult hood and I was surprised at the judge who said it too! When the head on a puppy breaks you see white and the judge said he'd DQ it because it's white according to what the standard will say when it goes into affect. AGAIN, I know it's not what the new DQ means but if one judge interputs that way how many other judges will?
Donna

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

If you check the YTCA website, the standard for pups is black and tan, so I don't think puppies will have a problem but the standard for adults is Blue and tan - only. Black adult coats is not listed in the breed standards.

Black coated adults would be considered off standard since the August 2006, disqualification ruling that was made to disqualify parti-colored and colors other than specified in the standard, was made.

I know this I'm just stating what a judge told an exhibitor at the speciality this weekend.
donna