Beyond CM TO THOSE THAT DEFEND CM

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

No it is not the bottom line I am not blaming ceser for what is up with my girl I am saying what he does on a girl like mine kill her.
When you suggest using his stuff you put dogs at risk if you do not know they are wired like mine.
No the breeder that put the male and female together and bred a badly wired dog is at fault I just get to do clean up.
Again you are not getting the science. GENETICS made her.

JL

Then, DON'T use Cesar's methods on this particular dog. That's not science, that's common sense. BUT don't blame Cesar. You are responsible for your dogs and for the dogs you choose to own.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

You are not making much sense.

I am not interested in pages of quotes trying to justify why you don't like Cesar Milan. You have yet to give PERSONAL first hand experience of why you don't like his methods or what happened to your dog.

Talk behavior, and I'll read, but I am not interested in you copying and pasting a plethora of quotes. Let us hear about your personal experience with his methods. Leave everyone else out of it -- let's hear from you.

Look watch his show

I have said that
look at the body language not the way he says it is but as those that study it say it is.
I have posted links to body language as it really is not as he crude I can not spell the word I need hang one Fabricates it to be. I get that??
See the lip lick
see the yawns.
see the eye blinks
Do you know what the means?
We will take this one step at a time.


Joy

[Chance]

I have one of his shows. I don't watch it, because I feel he miss treats the dog.
I am glad there are others who think the same thing.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

Then, DON'T use Cesar's methods on this particular dog. That's not science, that's common sense. BUT don't blame Cesar. You are responsible for your dogs and for the dogs you choose to own.

Do you think so really???? So then who do you know over the internet which dog you coach is like mine???
You do not???
So why not go slow take it easy not start with ok lets be the boss. Figure out the wiring of the dog by going slow and by the time you know you pretty much got a fixed dog if it is fixable.

My girl not so much but you can slap patches on things.

JL

[Akbritt]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

Look watch his show

I have said that
look at the body language not the way he says it is but as those that study it say it is.
I have posted links to body language as it really is not as he crude I can not spell the word I need hang one Fabricates it to be. I get that??
See the lip lick
see the yawns.
see the eye blinks
Do you know what the means?
We will take this one step at a time.


Joy

well he saids its because they are stressed....and don't like to be corrected.

Which if someone told me what to do i wouldnt like it either...its kind of a nature response

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

Look watch his show

I have said that
look at the body language not the way he says it is but as those that study it say it is.
See the lip lick
see the yawns.
see the eye blinks
DO you know what the means?

Joy

Joy -

You have conveniently ignored the questions about your dog. I would be very curious to know what breed of dog she is and who trained her. It seems that you have this idea that Cesar harmed your dog -- let's stay on topic and help us understand.

You want to talk behavior and have indicated that Cesar's methods did emotional/mental harm to your dog. I am genuinely interested in knowing how that happened.

[chachi]

So you dont have any personal first hand experience using his methods?

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by Chance

I have one of his shows. I don't watch it, because I feel he miss treats the dog.
I am glad there are others who think the same thing.

I am going to make a wild suggestion... if you can turn and trust me it can be tough to do to wtch with the volume down cause you see things you miss with his voice in your ears. Turn the volume down. Watch just the dog. See what you see for yawns lip licks, eye blicks, head turns, shake offs, These are all dog speack for I to stressed please stop. No good learning will happen in that state of stress. Sometimes you can see the light is gone out of the dogs eyes he is not there any more he has learned what is call learned helplessness.

Why I suggest watching it is that it is the fastest way to learn body language I know of and it comes in handy if you are out for a walk and apporocahed by a dog you are going to know if you need to book it out of there or if you are ok.

JL

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chachi

So you dont have any personal first hand experience using his methods?

So you are not willing to learn are you??

JL

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

Do you think so really???? So then who do you know over the internet which dog you coach is like mine???
You do not???
So why not go slow take it easy not start with ok lets be the boss. Figure out the wiring of the dog by going slow and by the time you know you pretty much got a fixed dog if it is fixable.

My girl not so much but you can slap patches on things.

JL

Ok, then tell us about your girl -- what makes her so different from all other dogs? What breed is she? If you are a trainer, then why do you need a coach?

You still haven't explained how Cesar caused harm to her.

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

So you are not willing to learn are you??

JL

Chachi asked you a simple YES or NO question and you avoided answering it. Will you please answer that question.

Do you or do you not have any personal experience using Cesar Milan's methods?

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

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You have conveniently ignored the questions about your dog. I would be very curious to know what breed of dog she is and who trained her. It seems that you have this idea that Cesar harmed your dog -- let's stay on topic and help us understand.

You want to talk behavior and have indicated that Cesar's methods did emotional/mental harm to your dog. I am genuinely interested in knowing how that happened.

Wow you are good almost as good as Socal from years ago expect she never ever tried to mess with my girl she know not to cross that line.
She was also willing to learn and you my dear are not.

JL

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

Wow you are good almost as good as Socal from years ago expect she never ever tried to mess with my girl she know not to cross that line.
She was also willing to learn and you my dear are not.

JL

Do you or do you not have any experience using Cesar Milan's methods?

[chachi]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

Wow you are good almost as good as Socal from years ago expect she never ever tried to mess with my girl she know not to cross that line.
She was also willing to learn and you my dear are not.

JL

We are here to learn so why dont you answer the questions

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

Wow you are good almost as good as Socal from years ago expect she never ever tried to mess with my girl she know not to cross that line.
She was also willing to learn and you my dear are not.

JL

What does this have to do with the current discussion. I am not so easily distracted nor will I argue. I just want to understand why you think that Cesar Milan damaged your dog?