Beyond CM TO THOSE THAT DEFEND CM

[Arzel36]

Originally Posted by chachi

Good post! Thats exactly what I do is take bits and pieces of different trainers. Im so sick to death of the cesar debating going on here all the time by one person

Hey now, let the record show here, that this memeber isn't the only one who had made thread's, on this trainer,she just make more than other's on yt! And personally, I've watched his show, and I truly don't like the man training, I think he is much too hard on the dog's,that my opinion. Now Victoria training, I don't have a problem with,maybe he can take some classes from Victoria!!!!

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Arzel36

Hey now, let the record show here, that this memeber isn't the only one who had made thread's, on this trainer,she just make more than other's on yt! And personally, I've watched his show, and I truly don't like the man training, I think he is much too hard on the dog's,that my opinion. Now Victoria training, I don't have a problem with,maybe he can take some classes from Victoria!!!!

I wasnt just talking about threads she is constantly bringing him up in posts also and Im not the only one who has noticed it.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chachi

I wasnt just talking about threads she is constantly bringing him up in posts also and Im not the only one who has noticed it.

I am not the only one here or in the whole hide world that thinks as I do.
Go look at the site I posted that there are many many many that do right there on the left hand side.
And again not every post I post is about him or even refers to him. I do refer always to doing it from gentle as or is the most effective way to responsibly train. Using adversrive is not the first step in any well rounded trainning program.
While I usually only post to training threads as time allows it going to be the area that it comes up in.
If I posted to breeding which I also do it not come up or showing it not come up but I also post there from gentle for show handling.
But training is my thing far more then beauty pageants and puppies so spent my time here when not doing real life things or on with other trainers chattting.

If you where so sure you had the right end of this you not get so upset or rattled or find this at all threating somewhere it hitting a spot that you are not so sure you got it right about him..So keep on looking at that and you will get it figured out.
It all in black and white on the link and there is more then just me saying so.

JL

[chachi]

Whatever! I dont agree with you and Im not playing your game and debating you either so this conversation is over.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chachi

Whatever! I dont agree with you and Im not playing your game and debating you either so this conversation is over.

And I am ok with that but some will read this and get that what he does is wrong. That one owner will have one dog that will get a chance not to be zapped, prong collared, Alpha rolled or poked or choked or stressed into crashing.
Learning that the only way to live with humans is learned helplessness.

That it is ok to learn and to want and to ask for things and get them without being hurt in the asking or living with the fear that that ask will get them hurt.
Blind obedience is learned helplessness and it is not the way any living being dog or human should live their life. We see it all the time in abused kids that those that work with these kids can see it in the eyes of the dogs cesers works with is overwhelming even more so that others can glibly turn a blind eye to it.

All it takes is one dog not getting hurt.

JL

[Arzel36]

Well, I'm going to end my part on this thread here...........Nope I'm not on here for arguing and debating...........carrying on foolishness with any of you all.............Because if thats the case, I can log off and continue my "GREAT",debate with my husband on, who is going too pick up his work suit's from the dry cleaner today,and who is going to finish polishing the floor's. Well, I don't like doing floor's, so I told my husband hire someone to come in and polish up the floors,because it won't be me!!!!! Now in a couple of minutes, I'm going outside to go for a swim with my kid's..........To all memeber's on this forum,enjoy your day!

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by Arzel36

Well, I'm going to end my part on this thread here...........Nope I'm not on here for arguing and debating...........carrying on foolishness with any of you all.............Because if thats the case, I can log off and continue my "GREAT",debate with my husband on, who is going too pick up his work suit's from the dry cleaner today,and who is going to finish polishing the floor's. Well, I don't like doing floor's, so I told my husband hire someone to come in and polish up the floors,because it won't be me!!!!! Now in a couple of minutes, I'm going outside to go for a swim with my kid's..........To all memeber's on this forum,enjoy your day!

Now that is funny, only cause we have those too.
As to the one around here it is who will be doing the garbage run or who is to do poop protrol. Rather cause of the weather do the garbage today.
No way would I be doing the floors either ok wash yes polish not so much.
Dry cleaning those that wears it picks it up. So that is not me...LOL

Wish it was a nice day here we would be outside too. Little cold and a lot windy. Cause we are short for a few more days three big dogs the coyotoes are in the yard so that is not so fun. Not for long big guys home next weekend and one woof and no more coyotoes in the yard. Man I miss the boys when they are gone.

JL

[a2luckygirl]

its a tv show-
#1 thing he works on-

making big money!!

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by a2luckygirl

its a tv show-
#1 thing he works on-

making big money!!

Yes at the expense of a few dogs.

JL

[JeanieK]

Perhaps if you spent a little more time improving yourself, and a little less time researching negativity, you would be a happier person.

No one likes a negative person, including the negative person.

So stop hating yourself and you can stop hating others.

You cannot control what others do, you can only control how you react to what others do.

So take control of yourself and just be happy.

[YorkieMother]

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"Perhaps if you spent a little more time improving yourself, and a little less time researching negativity, you would be a happier person.

No one likes a negative person, including the negative person.

So stop hating yourself and you can stop hating others.

You cannot control what others do, you can only control how you react to what others do.

So take control of yourself and just be happy. "

Again personal and the only come back you have is to take it personal instead of sticking to facts.
Whatever would give you any idea that I hate myself or anyone else.
Not into hating anyone. Not with an arm load of puppies to love on everyday.

Who is into controling not me. Do not do it with my dogs nor my human contacts. Remeber postive based trainer.

I am well in control of my self as what comes out my end of my fingers is based in fact and and study. I work very hard at keeping it from getting personally.
As to improving my self well look if I had not improved myself I have not one clue that Ceser is well no the best trainer in the world nor anything to hang ones hat of respect or be a follower of.
AS to also improving my self thanks do it everyday or try.
It takes a boat laod of self control it guide a dog with the issues mine has. If I was out of control she be dead.

But thanks I like taking a look at myself through others eyes and see if I see anything worth reviewing and improving. I can say not in this case.
Oh but I have so much more to learn about showing and breeding and best get at learning that...


JL

[Bianca]

I think this whole thread is absolutely ridiculous.
I didn't learn anything from it

[chachi]

It is just opinions presented as facts or science when its just opinions

[cthalhofer]

Well I belive dogs to be like children and as we all no the thing that works for one won't work for all I honestly belive no trainer has the perfect answer for every situation so I'm glad there are trainers around so I can learn alot and use what works with mine

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Bianca

I think this whole thread is absolutely ridiculous.
I didn't learn anything from it

Maybe this video will help clear up some things.

YouTube - Cesar Millan Leader of the Pack