Beyond CM TO THOSE THAT DEFEND CM

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

Chachi asked you a simple YES or NO question and you avoided answering it. Will you please answer that question.

Do you or do you not have any personal experience using Cesar Milan's methods?

It is not a simple yes or no your are making out like he made something new and wondrous and grand and he inverted it. When it is old and tried and well used. He is not the inventor of a new method it been around for a long time.
Nor is Karen pryor the inventor of positive training, Skinner is it been around forever. He guys was not invented the wheel here he regurgitated crude that does not work.
While over simplification is key to his training it is not how dogs work.
Yes my dog is off the table she gets to live in peace. She got nothing to prove to anyone she alive and again hope a plane and come see.

JL

[chachi]

What breed is your dog? You are being so vague about her I am really beginning to wonder

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

What does this have to do with the current discussion. I am not so easily distracted nor will I argue. I just want to understand why you think that Cesar Milan damaged your dog?

No that was a back handed compliment actually.

JL

[Akbritt]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

It is not a simple yes or no your are making out like he made something new and wondrous and grand and he inverted it. When it is old and tried and well used. He is not the inventor of a new method it been around for a long time.
Nor is Karen pryor the inventor of positive training, Skinner is it been around forever. He guys was not invented the wheel here he regurgitated crude that does not work.

JL

Ok then do you or did you have any experience using the "dominating" or "Alpha Roll" or what ever you want to call it, because CM didn't invent it, right? method???

[chattiesmom]

The question WAS a simple yes or no question. I'll repeat --

Do you have any personal experience using Cesar Milan's methods?

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chachi

What breed is your dog? You are being so vague about her I am really beginning to wonder

If I told you the breed you would turn it against her like everything else.
She not getting pulled apart for your enjoyment she done her share of treaching.
Remeber I have 15 right now but I am talking mainly about one.

JL

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

The question WAS a simple yes or no question. I'll repeat --

Do you have any personal experience using Cesar Milan's methods?

No it is not. It is an over simplification of the issuse ment to stop something you are not willing to learn from. Just like he over simplifies his training.
He misses the bigger picture, as you are,

JL

[chachi]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

If I told you the breed you would turn it against her like everything else.
She not getting pulled apart for your enjoyment she done her share of treaching.
Remeber I have 15 right now but I am talking mainly about one.

JL

Shes not on here nor will be its you and us and I really dont understand why you cant answer that simple question

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by Akbritt

Ok then do you or did you have any experience using the "dominating" or "Alpha Roll" or what ever you want to call it, because CM didn't invent it, right? method???

Hang on slow down one of me two or three of you I having trouble making sure I get to all of you.

YES HE did not invent it and yes I have first hand understanding of it.

JL

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chachi

Shes not on here nor will be its you and us and I really dont understand why you cant answer that simple question

Ok you lost me on this one?? try that again please.

JL

[chattiesmom]

Ok, so you are afraid to tell us what breed this dog is that was damaged by Cesar. My gosh, how in the world could any one of us "damage" your dog -- you are in Canada, I am in Georgia, and I don't think your dog can read what we are typing.

Once again, you have avoided answering a very simple yes/no question.

Do you or do you not have personal experience using Cesar Milan's techniques or methods.
It isn't a complicated question. You represent yourself as being knowledgeable regarding his methods and techniques. So .... do you have any personal experience using them?

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

Ok, so you are afraid to tell us what breed this dog is that was damaged by Cesar. My gosh, how in the world could any one of us "damage" your dog -- you are in Canada, I am in Georgia, and I don't think your dog can read what we are typing.

Once again, you have avoided answering a very simple yes/no question.

Do you or do you not have personal experience using Cesar Milan's techniques or methods.
It isn't a complicated question. You represent yourself as being knowledgeable regarding his methods and techniques. So .... do you have any personal experience using them?

You keep at the question like I am not understanding it.
What you do not get is it not Cesers method at all. HE is doing nothing new!!!!

Try monks of skete the old stuff. Goodness even Barbra woodhouse.
He is not doing anything new!

No I do not think you will hurt my dog. What I am saying is that you would not let anyone personally attack your child on line well nor will I let you do it to mine even if she is a dog. She my kid.
I am trying to spell check as I go so be slower so I can keep up it takes a long time for me to re read.
JL

[YorkieMother]

What I was trying to say is that if you do not believe me I be more then willing to pick you up at the airport and take you to meet her and our behaviour person and then you can see her first hand. I was not suggesting that you would hurt her... yeah that not happen and I know that.
It is late and while I can continue I have been asked by my girl to plaes come to bed and as we have already changed our routine by staying on this long and upset the routine and for a mentally chanllange wee one it tough enough so we will need to stop here for now. Or at least I do. I am sure you all can continue.

JL

[chattiesmom]

Then let me rephrase the question.

This method that Cesar uses, but did not invent.....

Do you have personal experience using it?


So, because this dog is your child you will not tell us what breed she is because we might think badly of her and it will lower her self esteem?

[chachi]

How do you know we would attack her. Remeber you brought her up.You use her as an example and then we cant even ask what breed she is which is relevant