Beyond CM TO THOSE THAT DEFEND CM

[chachi]

Thanks Nancy! I love seeing the picture of Cesar rollerblading with the dogs that is my favorite picture of him

[chattiesmom]

Nancy, thank you for posting the video. Unfortunately I watch "silent movies" cause I still haven't been able to find the right audio cable for my 'puter. I think it might be better watching it silent because you focus more on the expression in the dogs eyes of utter love and devotion and it being returned by Cesar.

GO CESAR, GO!

[capt_noonie]

I know how someone on this thread can improve themselves.... proof reading and puncutation.

It's really hard to get a point across when I can't make out what they are trying to say.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chachi

It is just opinions presented as facts or science when its just opinions

If you read the stuff from the ACVB (behaviorists) - BEYOND CESAR MILLAN that is based on science
AVSAB (vets) - BEYOND CESAR MILLAN theses guys are scince based.
Andrew Luescher - BEYOND CESAR MILLAN
Again science based
University of Pennsylvania - BEYOND CESAR MILLAN
Again science based
University of Pennsylvania - BEYOND CESAR MILLAN
And again

JL

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

I know how someone on this thread can improve themselves.... proof reading and puncutation.

It's really hard to get a point across when I can't make out what they are trying to say.

Thank you I am Learning disabled and have problems spelling and doing puncuations. If you would like to spell check for me I be happy for the help.

Just cause I have a hard time with both does not mean what I have to say is any less valid or correct.
Again personal.

JL


Famous People with Dyslexia, Other LD and/or AD/HD - Talking about LDs | GreatSchools
Lets Remeber that many of us that are test off the scales for IQ ans it is frustrating as all get out when the wordd you want to use you can not as you darn well can not spell them.
Famous People with Dyslexia, Other LD and/or AD/HD
Could you and your child use a little inspiration? Read about famous folks who overcame the challenges of LD and AD/HD.

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By GreatSchools Staff Print Email Did you know that many successful and famous people grew up with learning disabilities (LD) and/or Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (AD/HD)? Actor Danny Glover, business leader Charles Schwab, and Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps, to name a few, are all inspirations. Talk with your child about some of these successful people whose interests he shares or whose accomplishments he may admire. This will help him understand that he's not alone with his struggles and will foster hope for his future goals.

Note: You may notice that we haven't included some of the people mentioned on other lists of people suspected of having LD and/or AD/HD. While they may have struggled with certain aspects of learning, we can't confirm that they had a specific disability because they lived before these diagnostic categories came into use.

Look for information about successful people with LD and/or AD/HD, in the following categories:

Artists & Artisans
•Chuck Close is one of the nation's most celebrated contemporary artists.
•Andrew Dornenberg, an award-winning chef, says that cooking "saved" him from his struggle with dyslexia.
•Sculptor Robert Graham struggled with dyslexia. His wife, actress Anjelica Huston explains, "Robert didn't realize he had a form of dyslexia until his own son was diagnosed. But Robert's artistic gift immeasurably outstripped his difficulty."
•Tommy Hilfiger is an internationally-known fashion designer.
•Robert Rauschenberg was a multi-media artist who had significant influence in the world of modern art and was even called the "Picasso of the 21st Century."
•Mackenzie Thorpe, world-famous painter, urges people at an exhibit of his work to "stop looking with your eyes and see with your feelings."
•Acclaimed artist Robert Toth has had paintings, sculptures, and bronzes on display in museums throughout the world, including the Smithsonian's National Portrait Gallery in Washington, D.C.
•Acclaimed artist Willard Wigan is the creator of the smallest works of art on earth. He is emerging as the most celebrated micro-miniaturist of all time.

Athletes
•Billy Blanks, world class martial artist and television and movie actor, has created a foundation to promote self-sufficiency among high-risk women and children.
•Terry Bradshaw, former NFL quarterback, now host of Fox's NFL pre-game show, wrote a book in which he reveals that he has AD/HD. http://www.49ers.com/pressbox/news_d...php?PRKey=5268
•Nate Davis, quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers, has dyslexia.
•Scott Eyre, pitcher for the San Francisco Giants and now the Philadelphia Phillies, was diagnosed with AD/HD at age 30.
•Cammi Granato is a two-time Olympian in ice hockey and a U.S. National Women's Team member since 1990.
•Bruce Jenner, 1976 gold medalist in the Olympic decathlon, is described as the "World's Greatest Athlete."
•Tim "Lumpy" Herron is a pro golfer who runs a program to teach youth about ethical leadership in a fun, engaging way.
•Chris Kaman is the center for the NBA's Los Angeles Clippers.
•Hank Kuehne, PGA star, used golf as an escape from his troubles at school.
•Mike Lorenz is a lineman for the New England Patriots.
•Greg Louganis received an Olympic gold medal in diving in the 1984 and 1988 games and advocates for AIDS awareness.
•John E. Morgan, PGA champion, was bullied as a kid because of his learning disabilities.
•Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps made history by breaking records and winning 8 gold medals. He also inspired thousands by speaking candidly about having AD/HD. His mother has also been very public about telling their story.
•Jim Shea, Jr. earned a gold medal competing in the skeleton (a small sled) event at the 2002 Winter Olympics, making him the first third-generation Winter Olympian in U.S. history.
•Former Olympic fencer Molly Sullivan Sliney has made it her mission to speak to students and encourage them to believe in themselves and follow their dreams. She rose above her own struggle with dyslexia to become a world-class athlete.
•Neil Smith, NFL professional football player, is defensive end for the San Diego Chargers.
•Jackie Stewart is a race car driving champion who has been inducted into the Grand Prix Hall of Fame.
The world's most famous disabled people

[YorkieMother]

The world's most famous disabled people....let me know if I have missed any out!
Albert Einstein
The Mathematician/Physicist who had a learning disability and did not speak until age 3. He had a very difficult time doing maths in school. It was also very hard for him to express himself through writing.

Alexander Graham Bell
Had a learning disability

Cher
Has dyslexia

Christopher Reeve
Never has a person with a disability commanded so much media attention in recent history. Christopher Reeve, crippled after a horse-riding injury, wants to be up on his feet & wants to help others stand confident too. His life is now dedicated to harnessing the power of medical research to get up & ride again.

David Blunkett
The Rt Hon David Blunkett MP is without doubt Britain's most famous guide dog owner. Often photographed with his guide dogs - Ted, Offa and Lucy - David Blunkett also holds the powerful political post of Home Secretary. Joining the Labour party aged 16, he was elected to Sheffield City Council aged 22. He was the council leader from 1980 to 1987 until he was elected MP for Sheffield Brightside. Seen as the archetypal municipal Socialist, he is in many senses a traditional Labour man - beard-wearing and blunt-talking. Arguably, he is a role model for disabled people who just want to get on with their lives.

Edison
Edison had a learning disability. He couldn't read until he was twelve years old and had a very difficult time writing even when he was older.

Franklin D. Roosevelt
Roosevelt had Polio, was governor of New York State then elected President of the United States for 4 terms.

George Washington
Had a learning disability. He could barely write and had very poor grammar skills.

Goya
Spanish painter (1746-1828): At age 46, an illness left him deaf. He went on to create the most famous Spanish art of the 19th century.

Helen Keller
(Devoted Life to Persons with Disabilities) She was Blind, Deaf, and Mute

Ian Dury
movement/walking disability, resulting from polio. Hits from 1978 ("Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick") into 1980's. Recorded "Spasticus Autisticus" which was banned from radio, not surprising, as lyrics could be mis-construed as disabled-ist

John Milton
English Author/poet (1608-1674): He became blind at age 43. He went on to create his most famous epic, Paradise Lost.

Lord Byron
"Mad, bad and dangerous to know", Britain's great romantic was also born with talipes, a club foot. It is said that he "walked with difficulty but wandered at will". He toured Europe extensively and captured the popular imagination through his poetry and his personality. From gloomy egoism through to satiric realism he was renowned for his writings, his sexual ambivalences and his championing of Greek independence from the Turks. Disability activist Tom Shakespeare summed him up in the following way: "Most of his poetry hasn't stood the test of time, but he was a blockbuster in his day, and like very few other heroes, his name is still used as an adjective - 'Byronic', meaning dashing.”

Lord Nelson
Viscount Horatio Nelson is certainly Britain's greatest naval hero. His skill as a naval commander is, of course, well-documented. He won crucial victories at Trafalgar in 1805 and the Battle of the Nile in 1798, during the wars with revolutionary and Napoleonic France. What is less often remarked upon is that a great part of his naval career and his major victories were won as a disabled person. Going ashore in Corsica following the fall of Toulon, a French shot flung debris into his face leaving him without sight in his right eye. Later, an assault on Tenerife resulted in a shattered right elbow - back on his flagship the arm was amputated. He carried on as a disabled seaman for nearly ten years, securing his most important naval victories at the Battle of the Nile and the infamous Battle of Trafalgar - where he died on October 21, 1805. Contrary to popular belief, he didn't say "I see no ships". Instead he said, during the Battle of Copenhagen, "... I have only one eye. I have a right to be blind sometimes" and, raising his telescope to his blind eye, "I really do not see the signal".

Ludwig van Beethoven
(Famous Musician) - known to be deaf

Marla Runyan
One of the women representing the Unites States in the 1500 metre track event at hte 2000 Olympics was Marla Runyan. The American runner finished seventh in her preliminary heat and rose to sixth in the semi finals to qualify for the finals. During the final race, Marla lost track of the major competitors. She finished in eighth position, 3.20 seconds behind the gold medal winner. In 1996, Marla set several track and field records at the Paralympics in Atlanta, Georgia. Following that success, Marla wanted to compete in the 2000 Olympics in Sydney -- even though she is legally blind. The 31-year-old runner has been diagnosed with Stargardt disease. This is a condition that leaves her with a limited ability to see what is in front of her. In Sydney, Marla became the first legally blind athlete to compete in an Olympics.

Marlee Matlin
Marlee Matlin is a stand-up comedian and an actress. Some of her films include A Dead Silence, My Party,A Hear No Evil, A Bridge to Silence, A Walker, and A Children of A Lesser God. In 1987, she captivated the world by winning the Academy Award for Best Actress in the film A Children of a Lesser God. Marlee Matlin became deaf in infancy due to Roseola infantum. However, deafness has not disabled her or her career.

Michael Bolton
(famous Singer): Deaf in one ear

Robin Williams
(famous Hollywood Star) was diagnosed to be suffering from Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder(ADHD) as a child. He never refuses a role related to medicine e.g Awakenings, Patch Adams.

Sarah Bernhardt
French actress (1844-1923) Disabled by a knee injury, her leg amputated in 1914, she continued starring on stage until just before her death. She is regarded as France's greatest actress -- "The Divine Sarah".

Stephen Hawkings
Physicist/mathematician has Lou Gehrigs Disease and is in a wheelchair. He needs a computer to speak.

Sudha Chandran
(Indian actress and classical dancer) This brave lady dances with a Jaipur foot. She has acted in a movie on classical dance called "Nache Mayuri" & today acts in a variety of TV serials.

Tanni Grey-Thompson
Tanni Carys Davina Grey-Thompson OBE - to give her full name and title - is the disabled athlete that most people instantly recognise. Formerly Tanni Grey - the Thompson was added following her marriage in 1999 - she has competed in Paralympic Games since 1988, representing Britain at distances ranging from 100m to 800m. She has won fourteen paralympic medals including nine golds, and has broken over twenty world records. As a wheelchair athlete she was also the winner of five London marathons - in 1992, 1994, 1996, 1998 and 2001. In recent years, she has established herself as a TV presenter - including BBC TWO's From the Edge disability magazine programme.

Tom Cruise
(Hollywood Star): is severely dyslexic

Walt Disney
Had a learning disability

Woodrow Wilson
U.S. President from 1913-1921. Had a learning disability - he was severely dyslexic
Famous Disabled People

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chachi

Thanks Nancy! I love seeing the picture of Cesar rollerblading with the dogs that is my favorite picture of him

Over exercising an aggressive dog has been proven to back fire causing the over tired dog to be unable to process do to exhaustion information coming in and therefore increasing aggression in many dogs not decreasing it.

You have to know what way the brain is wired before attempting to use excessive as the main focus of any rehab program.

JL

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by Bianca

I think this whole thread is absolutely ridiculous.
I didn't learn anything from it

That is unfortunate.
Did you read the everything at the link in the first post. That was the main info and the reason posting occurred. It was for the reading not for the gobbled muck that follows.
When ones way of thinking is threatened the gobbly muck occurs. Usually directed very harshly at the one saying look see you may have that wrong can you look again. So they pull out the gobbly muck and toss it around hoping that the one threatening their out dated way of thinking will go away and shh. This is not going to change this is reality just like the world is round and the earth goes around the sun.

JL

[chachi]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

That is unfortunate.
Did you read the everything at the link in the first post. That was the main info and the reason posting occurred. It was for the reading not for the gobbled muck that follows.
When ones way of thinking is threatened the gobbly muck occurs. Usually directed very harshly at the one saying look see you may have that wrong can you look again. So they pull out the gobbly muck and toss it around hoping that the one threatening their out dated way of thinking will go away and shh. This is not going to change this is reality just like the world is round and the earth goes around the sun.

JL

No we dont want you to go away we just dont want your opinions crammed down our throat all the time repeatedly

[capt_noonie]

My sis is dyslexic, and she OVER proof reads and double checks her grammar so she can be sure everyone can understand her. I can't believe you are comparing yourself to Mozrt, Beethoven, Einstein, etc etc etc, just b/c you claim to have a learning disability.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

Thank you I am Learning disabled and have problems spelling and doing puncuations. If you would like to spell check for me I be happy for the help.

Just cause I have a hard time with both does not mean what I have to say is any less valid or correct.
Again personal.

JL


Famous People with Dyslexia, Other LD and/or AD/HD - Talking about LDs | GreatSchools
Lets Remeber that many of us that are test off the scales for IQ ans it is frustrating as all get out when the wordd you want to use you can not as you darn well can not spell them.

nice list!

[YorkieMother]

"Lack of exercise is not a cause of aggressive behavior, although exercise boosts serotonin levels, which offset stress hormones such as cortisol, and can complement a behavior modification program. However, it is a common misbelief that aggressive dogs are "not exercised enough." Many aggressive dogs are exercised regularly."

"Your dogs exercise routine may be agitating him. Does he appear exhausted or even hyperactive after exercise Is he receiving too much or too little exercise Once again vary his exercise and diet in order to eliminate causes of aggression."

I am pretty sure it is Dr Dodmans work that indicted that to much excersie in some dogs over can make them hyper.
Also if they are to tired the brain works slower and they do not process things well so that they miss read an action and reat with aggression.

JL

[Akbritt]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

"Lack of exercise is not a cause of aggressive behavior, although exercise boosts serotonin levels, which offset stress hormones such as cortisol, and can complement a behavior modification program. However, it is a common misbelief that aggressive dogs are "not exercised enough." Many aggressive dogs are exercised regularly."

"Your dogs exercise routine may be agitating him. Does he appear exhausted or even hyperactive after exercise Is he receiving too much or too little exercise Once again vary his exercise and diet in order to eliminate causes of aggression."

I am pretty sure it is Dr Dodmans work that indicted that to much excersie in some dogs over can make them hyper.
Also if they are to tired the brain works slower and they do not process things well so that they miss read an action and reat with aggression.

JL

Don't tell me you are anti exercise too... LMAO

[YorkieMother]

Look you guys go around recommending Ceser way of doing things to dogs you can not see and do not know if they are able to handle it.
Your and I am using the royal your tossing cans and alpha rolling suggesting get firm, using aversive and interrupter when you do not know if there is a medical reason that is causing the dog to act as it does.
Is the wiring in the brain able to handle that. I live with two and they are not as rare as Ceser would like you all to believe.
Your are playing fast and loose with dogs lives and that is not ok. When there are slow safe methods that we can use that if there are indicators of problems we can shut it down and go a different way.
Lights in little brains go out very easy and it lasts for the rest of their lives.
Thing is all of you have never seen a dogs eyes roll back into its head the brain shut down and your are standing there with a life that is a hairs breath away from not being here. I have more then once. She lives with me.
She is one of those cases that if Ceser pulled one thing on her she crash and she is not rare. She be dead or he would be bite. Trust me he get bite and she nail him hard.
This is not a game it life and a dog pays if you or I get it wrong.
It would be a better course of action to go slow on dogs we can not see and must trust that an owners emotions are not clouding the info.
But then again your not there if what you recommend turns the lights out in a little brain and fear takes over and life as they know it becomes unbearable.
Again I do I live with one wee soul that looks at everyday as a bless and a do I really want to be here. Can I get to the end of the day without a panic attack.
It takes one wrong move once to wreak a life just once on a wrong wired dog and unless you can see them you do not know if they are wired right.
That is why as a professional you only advise after seeing them and if you advise you use gentle if you do not see them.
There is not make up test if you blow up a mind. Sometimes it once just once that takes out a brain. Yes I am repeating my self on purpose.
It like the lady that wrote the breeders book I had to read it is 63 days from when the eggs drop to the puppies are born. She repeated that over and over but she got her point across.
I am doing the same.
It can take only once to blow a mind once blow it does not heal. I live with one.
ANd no I am not anti excersie too but on the wrong dog at the wrong amount you are going to get bite.

JL

[chattiesmom]

I can tell you from actual first hand experience (not quoting someone else ) that lack of exercise both physical and mental causes behavorial problems -- not only in dogs, but in children, cats, horses, and goats. Animals (human, canine, and otherwise) need both physical exercise and mental exercise to be healthy and well adjusted. I have raised 3 healthy well adjust children, scores of horses, cats and dogs plus a few goats. The more active and mentally stimulated my children and animal family were the better behaved they were and more receptive to training.

I have based all of my input on FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE -- not from quoting third party unknowns with letters behind their names that may or may not be valid.