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Old 11-18-2006, 09:02 AM   #16
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I think you should be refunded some of your money.. although we all know that she will not do that!!!

another side note... .Why is this lady breeding 3lb females?!?!?! poor dogs
I know! I didn't know what a huge "no-no" that was until after the purchase, but once I found out I went back and took a closer look at the moms and dads. I know pictures can be deceiving, but I'm beginning to wonder if some of those dogs really are as small as she claims. Huck's mother Ali looks pretty small, but some of the other ones I'm not so sure about.
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Old 11-18-2006, 09:04 AM   #17
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Rather they should refund it or not, the breeder that would deliberately mislead you is not going to be the breeder that refunds your money.

I, too, paid more for a pup because according to the breeder, it probably wouldn't be over 2 #. Was I naive?? Yes. In hindsight, I probably didn't even want her to be less than 2# but I do feel like the breeders should tell the truth.

I am curious as to the adult size of the other pups in the litter. Not because, I expect her to refund money nor would I ever let my baby go, I'm just a curious kind of person. Does the runt of the litter always grow up to be smaller than its littermates??

Do "teacup" Yorkies have the rep of being unhealthy because they are frequently not necessarily from a small line but just the runts of the litters? I have been very fortunate, if possibly overcharged, in that my baby is 3# AND healthy.

I also don't believe that small Yorkies have to be unhealthy Yorkies. I don't feel that it is wrong to have a very small Yorkie if your lifestyle is suitable. A retired couple that travels prefers a smaller Yorkie while a young couple with small children probably should have a larger, sturdier Yorkie. Maybe one size does not fit all in this case.

Another question I have is if it is common practice for someone with a 3# 12 or so oz. dog to call it a 3#er? I seem to have seen this in some cases and wonder if this is just individual people wanting to make their dog seem smaller or if this is truly something done in the "Yorkie" world. In that case maybe the breeder was right and my 2.9# Yorkie really is a 2#er.

Anyway, as someone said, none of it really matters. Once they are yours, they are yours forever, regardless of size.

All the terms are sort of amusing, teacups or teapots, none of them are accurate.
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Old 11-18-2006, 09:10 AM   #18
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I bought Gucci from Puppyland here in Stafford Virginia. I did no reasearch other than searching washington post. I saw him fell in love and purchased. I non chalauntly asked how big he would get i thougt all yorkies were one size. She said he will be 4-5 pounds. Well found out at first puppy visit they werent reputable breeder from the vet who knew of them well. Also at first visit at 12 weeks he weighed 4 pounds. He now weighs a whopping 8 pounds. I didnt think he was different until i began taking him out. People kept saying WOW thats a big yorkie. It began to make me feel some kind of way. I now have 3 yorkies. I did more research and now have 2 tiny yorkies from reputable breeders. I think lesson learn is do your homework, dont rush to buy a yorkie. I ran into other yorkie owners who i met that seem to have very excellent quality yorkies and I asked them who was there breeder and did research on them, this time i had to choose between 6 different breeders and and I made best decision. Online purchased scared me i was more willing to do long drive than purchase online.
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Old 11-18-2006, 09:11 AM   #19
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I dont care what the breeder said because their is no breeder that can quarantee size and when you pay extra for a tiny you are taking a risk. It works out for alot of people and some people it doesnt but you are taking a risk
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Old 11-18-2006, 09:20 AM   #20
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Rather they should refund it or not, the breeder that would deliberately mislead you is not going to be the breeder that refunds your money.

I, too, paid more for a pup because according to the breeder, it probably wouldn't be over 2 #. Was I naive?? Yes. In hindsight, I probably didn't even want her to be less than 2# but I do feel like the breeders should tell the truth...
I don't really have a problem with breeders charging more for teacups. My understanding is it's pretty expensive to breed them (the mothers often require c-sections, etc.). Plus it's simple economics. They are rare and in high demand, so people are willing to pay more for them, just like the chocolate yorkies. However, if a breeder sells teacups and charges consideraly more, then they should be willing to take some sort of responsibility if the dog turns out to be standard sized. If they are not willing to do this, they should not label the dog a teacup, much less a tiny teacup, as Cindy did. Describe it instead as a "tiny toy, possibly smaller". As buyers we are not experts. We try to educate ourselves as much as possible and do our reserach, but we're just not the experts. To a certain degree, we have to rely on the breeders expertise and honestly, and breeders like Cindy need to realize that and take some responsibility.
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You do realize that even if 2 3 lb parents are breed if the grandparents are larger then the pups born can be larger like the grandparents
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I don't really have a problem with breeders charging more for teacups. are willing to pay more for them, just like the chocolate yorkies. However, if a breeder sells teacups and charges consiMy understanding is it's pretty expensive to breed them (the mothers often require c-sections, etc.).
Yes, it is expensive to breed them but unfortunely its the tiny moms who pay the price. Any breeders that claims to or breeds tinies is unethical, period!
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I think you deserve a partial refund. If the breeder took actually the risk to tell you "THis dog will definitely be under this weight" Then morally she should compensate you. But time and time again you see that after money exchanged hands so does the attitude of the breeder.
If a breeder decides to practice this way it will bit them later in the ***
Rightfully in my eyes, she should feel an obligation. Its unfortunate she doesnt.
I know I would feel it if I had stated those things and make a good will offering to you.
If she would have done that I doubt very much you would not feel the anger toward her, and probably wouldnt be on a public forum because you feel lied too.
Its great to hear you love your lil Huck! and dont want to discard him because he isnt EXACTLY what you wanted.
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Old 11-18-2006, 10:40 AM   #24
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....Rightfully in my eyes, she should feel an obligation. Its unfortunate she doesnt.
I know I would feel it if I had stated those things and make a good will offering to you.
If she would have done that I doubt very much you would not feel the anger toward her, and probably wouldnt be on a public forum because you feel lied too....
You're right , I wouldn't be at all upset with Cindy if she would've done that. Even responsible business owners make mistakes. I know that. But it's only the irresponsible ones that refuse to take any responsibility for the justified dissatisfaction and financial loss the customer endures. We wouldn't be having this conversation if I felt Cindy had done that. Instead, I would probably commend her for being one of the upstanding breeders who is willing to do that.

And let me make it clear, actually, we wouldn't even be having this converstaion if Huck had remained under the 4.5 lb range. I could understand an estimation that is a pound or so off. But she described him as a "tiny teacup" that would most likely not even reach 3.5 lbs. He's 5 lbs and still gaining! That's significant.
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If breeders could guarentee the size a yorkie would be as an adult they would put it in writing...I don't think you will find a breeder that will do that..



"teacups", as you choose to call them and Chocolate yorkies...are not rare...the word teacup isn't even in the breed standard. and chocolate yorkies...although they are adorable and I wouldn't mind having one, is a genetic fault..(help me if I'm wrong YTer's) if a breeder is trying to sell you a chocolate yorkie as rare...they are miss leading you. the yorkie standard for weight is 5-7lbs...anything under that would be considered a "tiny".

Alot of members get upset when they see the word "teacup" this is only because the term is being used to make more money on these tiny ones..Research is the key.
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Old 11-18-2006, 02:58 PM   #26
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If breeders could guarentee the size a yorkie would be as an adult they would put it in writing...I don't think you will find a breeder that will do that..
Of course I don't expect anyone to guarantee an exact size. What I would expect, if I were to purchase another teacup in the future, is a guaranteed SIZE RANGE. Why should the buyer bear all the burden of risk? If a breeder is confident enough to sell a yorkie as a teacup and charge a considerably higher price for it, then he or she should have no problem with that, and should have no problem with you requesting it. Sure, even in a breeding program that has a proven history of producing tinies over several generations, there is always the possibility of a larger yorkie. Certainly, it's not the breeders fault, but it's not the buyer's fault either, so it's not right that the buyer should pay for what they didn't receive. A guaranteed size range that offers a discount if the puppy grows larger than expected is fair to BOTH parties.

I considered buying another yorkie and spoke with several breeders that did agree to guarantee a size range. Most were more than willing to guarantee that their puppy would not be over 4 lbs. You just have to ask. Fairy's Storybook Yorkies was one. There were several others, but I can't remember them right off-hand. Of course, there were those that said I was ridiculous or that no breeder should be expected to guarantee size (again, I wasn't asking for a guaranteed size, just a guarantee size range). That's a huge red flag to me now. Steer clear of the ones that refuse or feign astonishment that you would even ask.
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I can see that you are new to YT and WELCOME! if you browse the posts you will read that SEVERAL members were told (because of the size of the parents) that they yorkies would be a certain size and,they ended up being much larger....My adult (Sadie) will be 3 yrs old next month...her mother is 10 lbs and the father was between 5 and 6 lbs...Sadie ended up being 5 1/2 lbs..perfect size! I have heard of both parents being under 4 and 5 lbs prodcing 8 and 9 lbs furbabies so...you never know what you are going to get..I do hope you find what you are looking for.
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..."teacups", as you choose to call them and Chocolate yorkies...are not rare...the word teacup isn't even in the breed standard. and chocolate yorkies...although they are adorable and I wouldn't mind having one, is a genetic fault..(help me if I'm wrong YTer's) if a breeder is trying to sell you a chocolate yorkie as rare...they are miss leading you. the yorkie standard for weight is 5-7lbs...anything under that would be considered a "tiny...
Let me clarify...I don't mean rare in the official sense. I know chocolate yorkies are not AKC recognized, nor is the term teacup. (BTW, Biewers didn't used to be either.) I also know that any trait outside what is designated by the AKC standard is considered a flaw. By rare, I meant you don't see them as often as the standard colored yorkie or the standard sized yorkie. I did do my fair share of research, trust me. I started my search in Februrary, and literally spent a few hours everyday perusing websites and looking at all kinds of yorkies. I didn't make my purchase until April, so it definitely wasn't done without lots of forethought. Though...obviously not enough.
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Of course I don't expect anyone to guarantee an exact size. What I would expect, if I were to purchase another teacup in the future, is a guaranteed SIZE RANGE. Why should the buyer bear all the burden of risk? .... I considered buying another yorkie and spoke with several breeders that did agree to guarantee a size range.
I still think if size is that important to you, you should only buy a full grown Yorkie. The breeders can guarantee a size all day long and that does not mean it will happen. They can say that because what are you going to do -- bring the dog back? Not too many people can do that after they have hopefully bonded with the babies.
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Let me clarify...I don't mean rare in the official sense. I know chocolate yorkies are not AKC recognized, nor is the term teacup. (BTW, Biewers didn't used to be either.) I also know that any trait outside what is designated by the AKC standard is considered a flaw. By rare, I meant you don't see them as often as the standard colored yorkie or the standard sized yorkie. I did do my fair share of research, trust me. I started my search in Februrary, and literally spent a few hours everyday perusing websites and looking at all kinds of yorkies. I didn't make my purchase until April, so it definitely wasn't done without lots of forethought. Though...obviously not enough.
I just want you to be cautious that's all..Alot of times people that are buying this breed are so misinformed and when told they are getting a "rare" chocolate or "teacup" don't mind spending the extra cash on them...Yorkies are NOT an inexpensive breed, as we all know, and I HATE hearing of people getting taken by these terms. And, it happens all the time..I am glad to hear you have done your research..I did as well before I bought my first but, I have learned more on YT than from any book that I have read..
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