Review of Cindy Johnson - Valley View Puppies

[darlingdinkies]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I still think if size is that important to you, you should only buy a full grown Yorkie. The breeders can guarantee a size all day long and that does not mean it will happen. They can say that because what are you going to do -- bring the dog back? Not too many people can do that after they have hopefully bonded with the babies.

No you probably wouldn't want to return him, but a partial refund/discount would be a workable solution. He/she could refund a partial amount of what the buyer originally paid to reflect what he/she would have normally charged for a dog that size.

BTW - I'm not looking for a yorkie right now. My original post, the one that started this thread, was simply to share my experiences with Cindy Johnson of Valley View Puppies. These last few posts I have just been kind of talking about what I would have done differently and what I will do when I decide I'm ready to purchase another.

[YorkieRose]

The breeder shows pictures of her breeding stock..that should give you good insight as to the type pup you were buying..giving the buyer what the pay for is called "ethic's..

PS..there is a Valley View kennel in Tenn that is reputable, not to be mistaken with this one.

[darlingdinkies]

Originally Posted by BLowry

..I am glad to hear you have done your research..I did as well before I bought my first but, I have learned more on YT than from any book that I have read..

Me too! This site is awesome! But it was a little too much a little too late, as I shared in my original post that started this thread - I am one of those people who paid way too much for a pup that I was told would stay small and didn't. Hopefully, some of tips in this thread will save someone else from the same heartbreak. People want teacups. That's an unavoidable fact, and teacup breeders are probably not going to go away anytime soon. However, if people seeking to purchase a tiny begin expecting a guaranteed size range, perhaps the trend will catch on, and this will hopefully weed out the scammers and disreputable breeders. In a perfect world right!

[ButterflyYorkie]

Originally Posted by BLowry

If this breeder was a knowledge breeder of the yorkie breed she would have known that the word "teacup" is NOT in the yorkie standard. NOBODY can tell you exactly how much your puppy is going to weigh as an adult...I'm not sure if any of you have watched the show on discovery health about dwarf ( can I say this word?!) couple that had 2 children that were dwarf size and 2 normal sized children....now they came from the same size parents...NOTHING is ever gaurenteed! Alot of people who breed yorkies use the term teacup as a selling feature, jacking the prices WAY up! If it had been me...the minute she told me she sold teacups I would have started looking somewhere else...JMO

And the table scraps? ???
I noticed it was "scraps" not chicken or baby carrots, ect, something that would be a healthy snack other than dog food. So if they have pizza for dinner, the pups have it also?

to breeding for tiny teacups. I've stayed out of the teacup debate for a very long time, but sorry after reading this I'm not going to...the prices are ridiculous just because of the size and the breeders leave folks hanging when they don't live up to their own little game!

[ButterflyYorkie]

Also wanted to say congrats on your baby regardless to the bad experience you've had. If you have a happy, healthy baby consider yourself very fortunate. Yorkies are great no matter what Best wishes,

[yorkieK9trainer]

Okay, while size you may not be able to guarantee-that's realistic, right? Those other attributes you can.

Any good breeder should be able to give an honest and fairly accurate assesment of the coat/ears and such at maturity if they know their lines. That too is realistic.

Since you missed out on not just one thing-the size, but many other requirements you made of the breeder, I feel she didn't hold up her end of the deal and does in fact owe you something-if nothing else, an appology.

I'm sure you love your little guy, but the point is, that if you had to do it all over again knowing what you know now, you'd proabably have bought from a different breeder all together.

It's a shame about your situation. And I can tell you that I understand the differences in size. My parent's male Nemo is 5.6 (5 years) and my little girl Ava is right at 3 (9months).

[red98vett]

wow.

I'm adding my 2 cents only because I saw you say she's an 'ethical' breeder.

REPUTABLE/Ethical Breeders DO NOT USE THE WORD TEACUP to command higher prices.

and i feel sorry for those dogs out there being bred smaller and smaller - what a shame for this breed that people aren't happy with a FIVE POUND DOG.

[red98vett]

ps - darlingdinkies ...my post above isn't aimed at you personally - but I've seen people complain about the size of their yorkies before and heard it all....from "I wanted a tiny teacup & my yorkie weighs 5 lbs" to "I have back problems and my yorkie is too big"

My Cheri is 5 lbs. and that is feather light. I could understand it if your yorkie was in double digits but honestly - Is 2 lbs really worth stressing over ?

[chachi]

Originally Posted by red98vett

ps - darlingdinkies ...my post above isn't aimed at you personally - but I've seen people complain about the size of their yorkies before and heard it all....from "I wanted a tiny teacup & my yorkie weighs 5 lbs" to "I have back problems and my yorkie is too big"

My Cheri is 5 lbs. and that is feather light. I could understand it if your yorkie was in double digits but honestly - Is 2 lbs really worth stressing over ?

Thats exactly how I feel. My Jewels who was supposed to be a tiny grew to 6 lbs and she is still so small. I wouldnt change a thing about her.

[red98vett]

That's how I feel too - I just feel so bad sometimes for the yorkies that don't weigh what we 'expect' them to weigh....

we see so many posts about sick yorkies...If someone has a yorkie that 'grew' a bit larger than desired & but is healthy - be happy for that !!

I do understand paying a ton of money and not getting what you wanted can make someone upset - but in the bigger picture - it's a pretty small thing to cope with when you look at all the really bad things that can go wrong...

[chachi]

Yep with all the pups on here that you see being sick and some of them dying you really have to just be happy when yours are healthy thats for sure

[darlingdinkies]

Originally Posted by red98vett

ps - darlingdinkies ...my post above isn't aimed at you personally - but I've seen people complain about the size of their yorkies before and heard it all....from "I wanted a tiny teacup & my yorkie weighs 5 lbs" to "I have back problems and my yorkie is too big"

My Cheri is 5 lbs. and that is feather light. I could understand it if your yorkie was in double digits but honestly - Is 2 lbs really worth stressing over ?

Huck is still what I would consider an adorably small dog, and has wonderful qualities (he's a total cuddler, never barks, great with kids, the list goes on...) It's not the fact that he's 5 lbs. that I'm most upset about. It's the fact that she charged so much for him based on the fact that he would be much smaller, not too mention the other qualities, pedigree, coat and ears, and he has fallen short (for lack of a better term) in all those areas.

For example, let's say you go to a reputable furniture store and pay 1000s of dollars for a designer brand couch that you just fall in love with. Then, lets say, a year later you see that same couch at a discount furniture store for much less, and it turns out the store you purchased your couch from had been running a scam and it isn't really a designer brand couch or designer brand quality. You may still love the couch - it still looks great in your living room, but you sure would be mad that you paid as much as you did.

[darlingdinkies]

and let me continue with that analogy to address those of you who say well thank goodness at least he's healthy.

Yes, someone could say...Well, it could be worse, the couch could've fallen apart by now. At least it still looks nice and is holding up well. Of course, things could always be worse. However, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be upset about the fact that you were misled and paid for something you didn't actually receive, and it certainly doesn't mean the store is exempt from taking responsibility for misleading you.

[darlingdinkies]

Originally Posted by red98vett

wow.

I'm adding my 2 cents only because I saw you say she's an 'ethical' breeder.

REPUTABLE/Ethical Breeders DO NOT USE THE WORD TEACUP to command higher prices.

and i feel sorry for those dogs out there being bred smaller and smaller - what a shame for this breed that people aren't happy with a FIVE POUND DOG.

Please don't insinuate that I'm not happy with Huck because he weighs 5 lbs. That is not at all true. I'm just not happy that I paid $2200 for him.

[chachi]

Oh I didnt realize you paid that much. I do think she owes you a partial refund on that much