I Have to Say Something

[NanaDtreasures]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I'm gonna remain silent on breeding questions for awhile unless those that know me want to know something can PM me and I'll answer...
Sorry but I will not sugar coat and when I type it's not to meant as rude but I will be blunt and to the point...so until those that can develop a thicker skin I will answer only in PM's Again, this is not intended to be rude and I'm sorry if it's taken that way but it's how I feel

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Well put my butt right in line with the others!
You're going to have a ton of us yelling NOooooooooooo
I so RESPECT everything you have to say Donna
You have never been rude. Always kind in your answers.
I know I'm new but I hope I can PM you if I ever have a problem

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by NanaDtreasures

Well put my butt right in line with the others!
You're going to have a ton of us yelling NOooooooooooo
I so RESPECT everything you have to say Donna
You have never been rude. Always kind in your answers.
I know I'm new but I hope I can PM you if I ever have a problem

Thank you so much for your compliments they are greatly appreciated! You can PM me anytime

Donna

[nydia]

Originally Posted by MindieRose

A lot of people dont know the things about dog breeding that some might see as "obvious" things. If someone comes here asking a question, its because they DONT know, and they apparently want to learn. If someone comes here and says "I have dogs, they have bred, now what do I do?" APPARENTLY, they didnt KNOW to do their homework first. People cannot be faulted for ignorance or just never knowing. I personally grew up in the country, on a farm, and the neighbors dog always got one of our dogs or cats pregnant or vice versa. Now back then, and out in the middle of nowhere, no one got their dogs fixed, the dogs ran freely, and if your dog got pregnant (GASP!) usually friends and neighbors would take a puppy. THATS JUST HOW IT WAS. So would a person that perhaps has a backround like that DESERVE to get hollared at or made to feel stupid because thats all that they know?? Would you yell at a 5 year old or make them feel stupid because they dont know algebra and you happen to be an algebra major?
At church, we dont lock the doors to people that might alcoholics or be involved in some sort of habitual sin. When they walk in we dont say "WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT? ARE YOU STUPID?" People learn from people gently correcting them in love. Thats just human nature.

I agree with you, two years ago I was a new breeder, I had a mentor but my mentor did not breed yorkies, he bred bull dogs. He was also a vet, I had planned to breed my baby Sabrina which I did all the research before looking for a female to breed, I made sure she had all the yorkie traits as far as health, bite, coat, color, and personality was concerned, the only thing was the breeder I bought Sabrina from because Sabrina's parents were bigger yorkies Sabrina's breeder thought she would be a bigger dog as well, she only grew to be 3 pounds which I knew I could not breed her and when she went into heat I kept her separate from Blaine who was my only boy at the time with a baby gate, somehow she got pregnant anyway when I first found out she was pregnant or thought she was pregnant because at the time my regular vet was on vacation I brought her to another vet to make sure was she or was she not pregnant, he told me it was a false pregnancy, I came on here asking for advice because although the vet said it was a false pregnancy I could see things moving in her belly and boy was I attacked. I have not been on here since, and if I do happen to ask a question out of wanting to know, because you can't read up on everything some things are learned through experience, trust me I got all the dog books you could think of, and some of the things I've experienced with my dogs no where in books do you read about it. For instance I have a female who just gave birth to two beautiful babies, and she does not act even a little bit like Sabrina did when she had her babies, Sabrina would actually leave her whelping box to eat and drink, with Lucy it's different I've literally had to hand feed her and bring water to her, she does not want to leave her babies, no where in a book do they say describe behavior like that or tell you if it's normal or not, i was getting ready to rush her to the emergency room thinking something was wrong that she does not want to leave her whelping box to eat or drink but thanks to the breeders on here who are KIND HEARTED AND GENUINELY WANT TO HELP OUT IF THEY COULD I was worrying for nothing, it is normal for some mother dogs to be nervous about leaving their babies, I just never read that anywhere and wanted to know what other people may have experienced with their dogs, I don't need nobody who thinks they KNOW IT ALL trying to put me down, so yeah I agree with your post. In fact I think the real reason why some of these breeders on here want to yell at you if your a new breeder and want to learn something, is to discourage you from breeding so they won't be in competition with you. That is my guess at these mean breeders on here.

[nydia]

Originally Posted by MindieRose

I guess when a new person comes here asking questions, they have probably read this first, and figure they will be treated respectfully and not have to come here on the defense.
The thread you posted, the poster that I commented about was shouting at the original poster. Unless exclaimation points have some how changed meaning since I have been in elementary school. That is not respectful or even just "blunt" for that matter. Bluntness is often rude. YOU may not think so, but when you dont even KNOW a person, and you are shouting at them, that goes beyond blunt even.
This is obviously a very competitive forum. When someone comes here for advice it often turns into a debate, and thats unfortunate. What is SO hard about answering someone politely? Do you think you have the RIGHT to shout and assume things about someone you dont even know? Or be "blunt" with them, when you dont even know what their intentions are?
You want to judge someone else on here that originally wanted to make money off of her dogs. She has obviously heeded a lot of advice, brought her dogs in, and is continuing to ask questions even through the ridicule. Why would someone do that? Because they DONT care about their dogs? I dont think so.
As the quoted post says, if you dont like the thread or the question, dont reply. Its really that easy.
If I posted every little "blunt" comment that crossed my mind in this place, I would have been banned my first 5 minutes here.
Tell me again how having a "holier than thou" attitude about dog breeding is helping the breed please?

I just have to give you a high five on this one, it's the truth, these breeders want to yell at someone looking to make money off her dogs but don't they sell their pups too?? I don't see them adopting dogs off for free so why curse the next person trying to do the same thing you are doing and that is make a lil extra money, maybe it's because they don't want competition, they want to be the only person breeding yorkies.

[Brooklynn]

[ For instance I have a female who just gave birth to two beautiful babies, and she does not act even a little bit like Sabrina did when she had her babies, Sabrina would actually leave her whelping box to eat and drink, with Lucy it's different I've literally had to hand feed her and bring water to her, she does not want to leave her babies, no where in a book do they say describe behavior like that or tell you if it's normal or not, i was getting ready to rush her to the emergency room thinking something was wrong that she does not want to leave her whelping box to eat or drink but thanks to the breeders on here who are KIND HEARTED AND GENUINELY WANT TO HELP OUT IF THEY COULD I was worrying for nothing, it is normal for some mother dogs to be nervous about leaving their babies, I just never read that anywhere

The book The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog by Anne Searne discusses this in her book. She's a yorkie breeder I won't whelp a litter without this book

[nydia]

My point exactly

Originally Posted by MindieRose

Hey cool down, I am not trying to get you angry at all. I am just saying that we should be more understanding is all. I can totally understand being upset with someone who is carelessly bringing dogs into the world. I just think that someone who cares enough to ask questions deserves a respectful answer. They say there are no stupid questions, but when questions are asked here, sometimes people are made to feel very stupid.
I could really go on about bringing lives into this world without knowing about what you are getting into, but I will back out of that one. I will say though, that it seems that people are blasted for not doing enough homework about bringing dogs into the world, yet how many people do their homework about being a mother before they have children? People learn as they go, year by year as parents. What about how they feed their children? Does everyone put as much effort into finding the absolutely more perfect food for their children (only a raw fruit and veggie diet?) and NEVER let their child have sugar because its bad for them, the way they do for their dogs?
I am not trying to get anyone angry, I just wish people could show some sympathy for those less blessed with knowlege of breeding. I never knew anything about breeding (except what my mom could tell me about dobermans) when my lab had pups years and years back. I have grown tremendously since then from doing my homework, and it took time. If the people helping me told me how horrible and irresponsible I was for breeding her, I probably would have acted in a very unchristian way at that point.

[chattiesmom]

Mindierose and Nydia -- I would like to give you triple thumbs-up for your posts. I, too, believe that anyone bringing a new life into the world should do so with respect and reverence. When someone is in a crisis, whatever the reason, it is a time to surround and nurture and help -- once the crisis is over -- then educate.

Every single breeder worldwide at one time knew absolutely nothing about breeding. Every breeder gained knowledge and experience in a multitude of ways and over a period of time - some had mentors, some learned through the school of hard knocks, some learned through reading books, taking classes, etc. but everyone had to learn.

I agree that it is very frustrating to have the same questions asked over and over again - many members DO NOT know how to do a search - many are barely computer literate. So even in that area, it would be a far better thing to educate -- maybe a good solution would be to compile a list of links to basic questions that have been asked and when someone needs information to provide that list of links.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I'm gonna remain silent on breeding questions for awhile unless those that know me want to know something can PM me and I'll answer...
Sorry but I will not sugar coat and when I type it's not to meant as rude but I will be blunt and to the point...so until those that can develop a thicker skin I will answer only in PM's Again, this is not intended to be rude and I'm sorry if it's taken that way but it's how I feel

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

I love your advice and I am sorry your taking a break from breeding questons. This seems to be happening alot on here and it is a shame. We need the experienced breeders on here to feel comfortable posting

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by chachi

I love your advice and I am sorry your taking a break from breeding questons. This seems to be happening alot on here and it is a shame. We need the experienced breeders on here to feel comfortable posting

It's not that I'm uncomfortable posting I just don't want to be banned LOL...

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

[ For instance I have a female who just gave birth to two beautiful babies, and she does not act even a little bit like Sabrina did when she had her babies, Sabrina would actually leave her whelping box to eat and drink, with Lucy it's different I've literally had to hand feed her and bring water to her, she does not want to leave her babies, no where in a book do they say describe behavior like that or tell you if it's normal or not, i was getting ready to rush her to the emergency room thinking something was wrong that she does not want to leave her whelping box to eat or drink but thanks to the breeders on here who are KIND HEARTED AND GENUINELY WANT TO HELP OUT IF THEY COULD I was worrying for nothing, it is normal for some mother dogs to be nervous about leaving their babies, I just never read that anywhere

The book The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog by Anne Searne discusses this in her book. She's a yorkie breeder I won't whelp a litter without this book

So many things seemed like an emergency to me when we got our first Yorkie. I can't count the trips we made to the vet over 'little things'. These issues weren't about whelping (we weren't breeding at that time). It's just that these babies sure can put the worry on you LOL. The thing is, these 'little things' can, in many cases, get serious quickly if you don't know what to do. That's what makes forums such as this so valuable; there's a wealth of info and experience here. Like you, I consider The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog, along with The Complete Yorkshire Terrier, must-have books.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

So many things seemed like an emergency to me when we got our first Yorkie. I can't count the trips we made to the vet over 'little things'. These issues weren't about whelping (we weren't breeding at that time). It's just that these babies sure can put the worry on you LOL. The thing is, these 'little things' can, in many cases, get serious quickly if you don't know what to do. That's what makes forums such as this so valuable; there's a wealth of info and experience here. Like you, I consider The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog, along with The Complete Yorkshire Terrier, must-have books.

Yuppers, must haves!

[For My Coby]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

Mindierose and Nydia -- I would like to give you triple thumbs-up for your posts. I, too, believe that anyone bringing a new life into the world should do so with respect and reverence. When someone is in a crisis, whatever the reason, it is a time to surround and nurture and help -- once the crisis is over -- then educate.

Every single breeder worldwide at one time knew absolutely nothing about breeding. Every breeder gained knowledge and experience in a multitude of ways and over a period of time - some had mentors, some learned through the school of hard knocks, some learned through reading books, taking classes, etc. but everyone had to learn.

I agree that it is very frustrating to have the same questions asked over and over again - many members DO NOT know how to do a search - many are barely computer literate. So even in that area, it would be a far better thing to educate -- maybe a good solution would be to compile a list of links to basic questions that have been asked and when someone needs information to provide that list of links.

Speaking completely out of turn here, but a solution I've often wondered about might be to have our experienced (albeit frustrated) YT breeders save some of their own general thoughts, opinions, experiences, or links to their personal threads - for those notorious most frequently asked questions - into a word document from which they could easily copy and paste when the dreaded "same ol' question" comes around.

In a forum, I would think that you would "expect" the same questions to be asked over and over and over and over as new people join. I agree the "search" function is a logical first step, but unfortinately, NOWHERE on line do I see people searching FAQ's faithfully before asking a question. People, by nature, want a personal answer or think their situation is unique. You could preface your "paste" with a personal message. Quick and less frustrating for you. I'm no breeder and thus have no questions, but I would not be offended by an occasional canned answer with a personal intro. ... really no different than the search function. Just a thought.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by nydia

I just have to give you a high five on this one, it's the truth, these breeders want to yell at someone looking to make money off her dogs but don't they sell their pups too?? I don't see them adopting dogs off for free so why curse the next person trying to do the same thing you are doing and that is make a lil extra money, maybe it's because they don't want competition, they want to be the only person breeding yorkies.

Seriously?!?

1) Many breeders spend far more supporting their programs then they could ever hope to make back from selling a pup. Yes, they sell them, but the money is not profit, it's covering the costs they've already spent.

2) You don't see people adopting dogs or placing them for free because most breeders don't feel the need to report such specifics regarding their breedings to the general public. I know of several people who have placed pups for free for various reasons. Do you know how many people they would have beating down their door for a free dog if that every got out. It's not at all uncommon for a breeder to place a retired dog for nothing, or a pup they want to watch and possibly breed back to in the future going to someone they know. (Not saying that some probably don't make some profit, because I know they do, but that is not always the case and NOT their main reason for breeding...BIG difference there.) Why would you expect any breeder to divulge that information?

3) Competition? I'm sorry, but the people I see being discouraged from breeding are those breeding solely for profit, or those breeding without having researched, those that are putting their dogs' lives in danger, not because they are considered as competition. Many breeders have waiting lists and would breed if they didn't. So how exactly would an ill prepared aspiring breeder be posing any competition to them? I just don't understand that reasoning.

[EmrldShdwQueen]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Seriously?!?

1) Many breeders spend far more supporting their programs then they could ever hope to make back from selling a pup. Yes, they sell them, but the money is not profit, it's covering the costs they've already spent.

2) You don't see people adopting dogs or placing them for free because most breeders don't feel the need to report such specifics regarding their breedings to the general public. I know of several people who have placed pups for free for various reasons. Do you know how many people they would have beating down their door for a free dog if that every got out. It's not at all uncommon for a breeder to place a retired dog for nothing, or a pup they want to watch and possibly breed back to in the future going to someone they know. (Not saying that some probably don't make some profit, because I know they do, but that is not always the case and NOT their main reason for breeding...BIG difference there.) Why would you expect any breeder to divulge that information?

3) Competition? I'm sorry, but the people I see being discouraged from breeding are those breeding solely for profit, or those breeding without having researched, those that are putting their dogs' lives in danger, not because they are considered as competition. Many breeders have waiting lists and would breed if they didn't. So how exactly would an ill prepared aspiring breeder be posing any competition to them? I just don't understand that reasoning.

[Sugar's Mom]

nydia, I think what Misty is saying is not that there are mean breeders on here or that people get tired of the same questions being asked over and over but that so many new wannabe breeders come on here and ask advice then when they get it, they don't take it. They just do what they want to do regardless and they don't have a clue and as far as making money, how many times have we seen some brand new breeder come on here and the first post they write is "How much should I sell my puppies for?" i think you have missed the whole point of this thread .