I Have to Say Something

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Yes, she gets plenty of spoiling and she has MUCH attitude (as befits a lady of her station ) but I guess I'm digressing fro the OP's purpose. At the risk of digressing even more, may I suggest y'all check out 'Best In Show', a movie about dog shows. It is LMAO funny!! We could all use a good laugh here.

OMG LOVE that movie!! It is hilarious!

[dudley1984]

[QUOTE=MyFairLacy;1865305]Excellent Post Misty

I just couldn't agree more. It just saddens me so much what most breeders have done to this wonderful breed. Yorkies are massed produced...no health screeningbreed it? Breed for the right reasons. Breed the right way![/QU

I've seen very few established breeders here...A lot of wannabes and beginners, but where are the seasoned professionals? Most of what I've seen seems to be coming from people who picked up a little information here and there, played around with it in their heads to suit their agendas, and are now pontificating rather dangerously...It's creepy.

[bchgirl]

Ever notice someone asks breeding advice...thread turns into a bash fest and the OP is long gone but the great debate continues...

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Ever notice someone asks breeding advice...thread turns into a bash fest and the OP is long gone but the great debate continues...

ever notice that someone will start a topic that starts out friendly and informative with lots of good info...but then certain people will purposely take it off subject to distract from the real situation..

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by dudley1984

I've seen very few established breeders here...A lot of wannabes and beginners, but where are the seasoned professionals?

Most of them don't waste their time answering or don't log on anymore...is it really any wonder why? You've been in threads that ended up getting locked, so you know how frustrating and pointless some of the topics here can be. Why waste time over and over and over if the result is always the same?

I think that is a common complaint, those who CAN help and have something to offer don't bother anymore because it ends up being a waste of time.

[dudley1984]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Most of them don't waste their time answering or don't log on anymore...is it really any wonder why? You've been in threads that ended up getting locked, so you know how frustrating and pointless some of the topics here can be. Why waste time over and over and over if the result is always the same?

I think that is a common complaint, those who CAN help and have something to offer don't bother anymore because it ends up being a waste of time.

Is there a popular site for breeders? I'm from New England, there are very few of us breeding, and we don't experience the same degree of nastiness that is so legendary elsewhere. Unfortunately, because we are few and far between I'm looking to internet as a relative newcomer looking for good information, but this site has some destructive characters on it. I hope the newcomers realize that and don't just blindly accept whatever is thrown out at them...

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by MindieRose

I guess when a new person comes here asking questions, they have probably read this first, and figure they will be treated respectfully and not have to come here on the defense.
The thread you posted, the poster that I commented about was shouting at the original poster. Unless exclaimation points have some how changed meaning since I have been in elementary school. That is not respectful or even just "blunt" for that matter. Bluntness is often rude. YOU may not think so, but when you dont even KNOW a person, and you are shouting at them, that goes beyond blunt even.
This is obviously a very competitive forum. When someone comes here for advice it often turns into a debate, and thats unfortunate. What is SO hard about answering someone politely? Do you think you have the RIGHT to shout and assume things about someone you dont even know? Or be "blunt" with them, when you dont even know what their intentions are?
You want to judge someone else on here that originally wanted to make money off of her dogs. She has obviously heeded a lot of advice, brought her dogs in, and is continuing to ask questions even through the ridicule. Why would someone do that? Because they DONT care about their dogs? I dont think so.
As the quoted post says, if you dont like the thread or the question, dont reply. Its really that easy.
If I posted every little "blunt" comment that crossed my mind in this place, I would have been banned my first 5 minutes here.
Tell me again how having a "holier than thou" attitude about dog breeding is helping the breed please?

Why must all of the experenced or knowledgeable breeders need to "sugar coat" the information that someone is asking? Breeding should be taken seriously and if unimformed first time "breeders" are asking VERY basic questions, then they have no business breeding period. I mean, come on. I have seen questions on here and I wonder if some of these people have EVER even heard of the birds and the bees. I am all for helping people with their questions but I would rather give them the hard, blunt truth on what may or may not happen or why every run of the mill cute wonderful Yorkie should not be bred. And maybe, just maybe, a first time "breeder" will take a look at what they are doing and not breed or will do the health testing first, or will be more informed and prepared mentally and finacially.

[Susan123]

Originally Posted by dudley1984

I've seen very few established breeders here...A lot of wannabes and beginners, but where are the seasoned professionals? Most of what I've seen seems to be coming from people who picked up a little information here and there, played around with it in their heads to suit their agendas, and are now pontificating rather dangerously...It's creepy.

Is there a popular site for breeders? I'm from New England, there are very few of us breeding, and we don't experience the same degree of nastiness that is so legendary elsewhere. Unfortunately, because we are few and far between I'm looking to internet as a relative newcomer looking for good information, but this site has some destructive characters on it. I hope the newcomers realize that and don't just blindly accept whatever is thrown out at them...

Since you obviously would like to be at another forum, might I suggest google? As a newcomer, if you did want to stick around I'd suggest searching the archives. There are tons of information on the net, not just forums. There are also plenty of books that are at everyone's access. These and having a mentor really are our best resources.

[YorkieRose]

I do not respond to a lot of posts like that one because it it is useless...the first requirement of breeding is having common sense. When my father bred Boxers, he took one bitch to a unrelated stud. I went into the side yard where they put our girl..and two males were running loose. I took our female by the collar and brought her to my father before the males got to her......I asked my father how he would know the sire, if two males were with the female...my father and the breeders freaked out...they did not know the other male got out...I was 10 yrs old and was told I had already passed the first requirement of breeding...common sense!

[vanessa19]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Why must all of the experenced or knowledgeable breeders need to "sugar coat" the information that someone is asking? Breeding should be taken seriously and if unimformed first time "breeders" are asking VERY basic questions, then they have no business breeding period. I mean, come on. I have seen questions on here and I wonder if some of these people have EVER even heard of the birds and the bees. I am all for helping people with their questions but I would rather give them the hard, blunt truth on what may or may not happen or why every run of the mill cute wonderful Yorkie should not be bred. And maybe, just maybe, a first time "breeder" will take a look at what they are doing and not breed or will do the health testing first, or will be more informed and prepared mentally and finacially.

I completely agree, one day I would maybe like to breed, I'm not sure yet but if I do trust me it's years down the road and I will make sure I know as much as there is before I even go into something like that, I look at Jasmine as my child along if I did have any other yorkies I would treat them the same way and would not just breed for the h*ll of it. Your'e taking someones life into your own hands and have to be gentle. I also agree somethings on here are harsh but some of the questions people ask and there dog is already prego OMGosh! that scares me to think about that. I don't post to much because I'm afraid of giving wrong advice, I just ask alot of questions so if at one point I am ready to breed I will be informed and I've been thinking about "maybe" breeding for 2 years now and still haven't decided if I want to or not. That's a big commitment and responsibility that I don't think I'm ready for, at least not yet. But this is just my .02 cents

[tegamom1]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Most of them don't waste their time answering or don't log on anymore...is it really any wonder why? You've been in threads that ended up getting locked, so you know how frustrating and pointless some of the topics here can be. Why waste time over and over and over if the result is always the same?

I think that is a common complaint, those who CAN help and have something to offer don't bother anymore because it ends up being a waste of time.

Misty, you have hit the nail on the head with this thread!!

[niki35010]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Seems like some of the comment on this thread only reinforces the OP's point. I've seen many questions asked here that make me go "OMG, what are they doing breeding?" but ignorance isn't necessarily stupidity. I'm far from the most experienced breeder here but I feel anyone that found their way here at least loves their dogs and are trying. Everyone has to start somewhere and, no, I'm not suggesting that breeding Yorkies is for everyone but, my gosh, how do you learn anything if you don't know what it is that you don't know? I don't think new people here read every thread before posting a question. They just ask what's on their mind and many get a real kick in the pants for asking. It amazes me that on the general discussion forum people will do the dumbest things that result in the death of their dog and they get nothing but sympathy and here, well here is a tough place sometimes. I've posted before that the short leap from blunt to rude is made all too often. I was raised to try to be polite, especially with people you don't know. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. The purpose of this forum would be better served by everyone trying a little more kindness. I'm sure the advice being offered would be better heeded if put to people a little more gently

Very well spoken!!!! I couldn't have done it better myself and for you MindieRose...I respect everything that you have said!!

[Brooklynn]

I'm blunt but in a professional way and proud of it LOL...I will not sugar coat my feelings LOL....If you don't like what I have to say then don't respond but I love trying to help others "IF" they are willing to learn right along with me
I do get disheartened with YT sometimes and sometimes I do not respond to a post because what would come from my fingers would probably get me banned for life...

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[Woogie Man]

The breeder forum often seems like two worlds colliding. We first entered the 'Yorkie World' by getting a wonderful male. Up to that point, I had owned Wolf Hybrids for the last 20 years. Well, before long we were addicted and just had to get a female for our little man (sound familiar?). Looking back, I was completely unprepared even though we had bred our 'wolf-dogs' a couple of times. Loving a Yorkie is easy, caring for them properly is not so easy. The one thing I did right was to have a great vet that raised Yorkies herself. I picked her for just that reason even though she had a reputation for being 'expensive'. Well, the information I got from her was priceless. She really got me through 'Yorkies 101'. A mentor, of some type, is absolutely essential. Well, my first pair of Yorkies are CKC (Continental Kennel Club) registered. As I tried to find 'better bred' dogs I ran into a roadblock. The breeders that had the type of dogs I wanted just won't talk to you about getting better dogs for breeding until you can talk to them on their level somewhat. Through more research, a lot of it conflicting, I finally gained the confidence of an exhibitor enough to acquire one of her dogs with full registration. We are now transitioning to putting together foundation stock of the type of dogs we're looking for. My point is that the Yorkie road isn't an easy one but everyone starts somewhere. Having been through my experiences, I can see both sides of the fence. So much good could come from this forum if we can maintain decorum and be civil to one another.

[MindieRose]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

The breeder forum often seems like two worlds colliding. We first entered the 'Yorkie World' by getting a wonderful male. Up to that point, I had owned Wolf Hybrids for the last 20 years. Well, before long we were addicted and just had to get a female for our little man (sound familiar?). Looking back, I was completely unprepared even though we had bred our 'wolf-dogs' a couple of times. Loving a Yorkie is easy, caring for them properly is not so easy. The one thing I did right was to have a great vet that raised Yorkies herself. I picked her for just that reason even though she had a reputation for being 'expensive'. Well, the information I got from her was priceless. She really got me through 'Yorkies 101'. A mentor, of some type, is absolutely essential. Well, my first pair of Yorkies are CKC (Continental Kennel Club) registered. As I tried to find 'better bred' dogs I ran into a roadblock. The breeders that had the type of dogs I wanted just won't talk to you about getting better dogs for breeding until you can talk to them on their level somewhat. Through more research, a lot of it conflicting, I finally gained the confidence of an exhibitor enough to acquire one of her dogs with full registration. We are now transitioning to putting together foundation stock of the type of dogs we're looking for. My point is that the Yorkie road isn't an easy one but everyone starts somewhere. Having been through my experiences, I can see both sides of the fence. So much good could come from this forum if we can maintain decorum and be civil to one another.

Exactly. I can see both sides of it as well, but what good can come from NOT being civil?

I dont think anyone is asking anyone to "sugarcoat" anything. Being polite and courtious is about being a decent human. You CAN and SHOULD be tactful when informing people of what they should be doing as a breeder, or about anything in life, if you actually expect them to listen. I dont listen or take advice from anyone that is rude. Its not hard to be informative and friendly at the same time. I suppose some people might not posess that ability though, or choose not to.