Roriee (AAI puppy) has had a major relapse!

[Wylie's Mom]

First, Mary (Mardelin), GREAT POST . Thank you.

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The sole reason there is passion on this thread is because there is a sweet puppy about whom people care, and they're trying to help. There is a pup in great pain and this makes it an urgent situation.

Everyone here has the best intentions in trying to help Roriee and trying to help Randi find a solution. Randi, although this is extremely stressful and emotional for you, I think you are also composed and intelligent enough to recognize the good intentions for your pup. The goal here is to get Roriee help ASAP. People here are trying to help you.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

First, Mary (Mardelin), GREAT POST . Thank you.

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The sole reason there is passion on this thread is because there is a sweet puppy about whom people care, and they're trying to help. There is a pup in great pain and this makes it an urgent situation.

Everyone here has the best intentions in trying to help Roriee and trying to help Randi find a solution. Randi, although this is extremely stressful and emotional for you, I think you are also composed and intelligent enough to recognize the good intentions for your pup. The goal here is to get Roriee help ASAP. People here are trying to help you.

Damn it Ann, you put me to shame, your writing is so articulate and error free. I went back and read my post.....oh dear what a mess....errors and misplaced words.....I thought I proof read it twice...guess I can't trust my ole eyes anymore....

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Poor Roiree can't speak for herself. I am glad Ladyjane spoke for her.

I'm wondering, throughout the course of this thread, there have been well over a dozen people posting the exact same advice and opinions as those that LadyJane posted...however, she was the only one singled out and crucified for it...wonder why that is. Yes, same story different day indeed.

I will say that as someone who has dealt with a dog that suffered a very similar condition, I have seen what a horrific, torturous and frightening ordeal it can be for a dog to go through. I cannot imagine a dog being forced to endure that for near SIX MONTHS when there are other options, no matter how hard they may be to accept. To sit by and watch an innocent dog suffer and denied treatment for selfish reasons is beyond what words like inhumane and cruel can encompass. But, heaven forbid anyone think of what's best for the dog instead of sparing the feelings of the owner. IMO, if you can find a way to justify that and feel that "being nice" is the bigger issue, then you are on the WRONG FORUM.

Regardless, I am very glad to see (I hope) that the dog is on the way to getting the help she deserves. I know that this is a hard decision for the OP, but her best interest and relief from the suffering is what is truly most important here. Sometimes the right decisions are not the easiest ones to make...but what counts is that we find the strength to make them anyway.

[BamaFan121s]

oops...double post

[kjc]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I'm wondering, throughout the course of this thread, there have been well over a dozen people posting the exact same advice and opinions as those that LadyJane posted...however, she was the only one singled out and crucified for it...wonder why that is. Yes, same story different day indeed.

I will say that as someone who has dealt with a dog that suffered a very similar condition, I have seen what a horrific, torturous and frightening ordeal it can be for a dog to go through. I cannot imagine a dog being forced to endure that for near SIX MONTHS when there are other options, no matter how hard they may be to accept. To sit by and watch an innocent dog suffer and denied treatment for selfish reasons is beyond what words like inhumane and cruel can encompass. But, heaven forbid anyone think of what's best for the dog instead of sparing the feelings of the owner. IMO, if you can find a way to justify that and feel that "being nice" is the bigger issue, then you are on the WRONG FORUM.

Regardless, I am very glad to see (I hope) that the dog is on the way to getting the help she deserves. I know that this is a hard decision for the OP, but her best interest and relief from the suffering is what is truly most important here. Sometimes the right decisions are not the easiest ones to make...but what counts is that we find the strength to make them anyway.

Great post...

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I'm wondering, throughout the course of this thread, there have been well over a dozen people posting the exact same advice and opinions as those that LadyJane posted...however, she was the only one singled out and crucified for it...wonder why that is. Yes, same story different day indeed.

I will say that as someone who has dealt with a dog that suffered a very similar condition, I have seen what a horrific, torturous and frightening ordeal it can be for a dog to go through. I cannot imagine a dog being forced to endure that for near SIX MONTHS when there are other options, no matter how hard they may be to accept. To sit by and watch an innocent dog suffer and denied treatment for selfish reasons is beyond what words like inhumane and cruel can encompass. But, heaven forbid anyone think of what's best for the dog instead of sparing the feelings of the owner. IMO, if you can find a way to justify that and feel that "being nice" is the bigger issue, then you are on the WRONG FORUM.

Regardless, I am very glad to see (I hope) that the dog is on the way to getting the help she deserves. I know that this is a hard decision for the OP, but her best interest and relief from the suffering is what is truly most important here. Sometimes the right decisions are not the easiest ones to make...but what counts is that we find the strength to make them anyway.

Have I told you I love you today...

Standing up and clapping!!!

[Woogie Man]

I just went back and read the posts going back to last November. It's heartbreaking to think of Roriee in so much pain and I truly hope for a great outcome for her.

It is obvious that Randi loves Roriee very much. She has been through so much with this and has been tugged in many directions over Roriee's care. It did seem like she was doing much better for quite some time. Randi posted a thread in January with an update on Roriee and got 0 replies.

I know nothing about AAI, except what I've read here on this forum. It does seem like there are several treatments, some more conservative than others. I can understand why she followed a conservative treatment as Roriee was getting better until this relapse.

That being said, it's obvious that more needs to be done for Roriee now. I see where Randi has agreed to surrender Roriee in order for her to get treatment, but there may be complications with that.

This is such a troubling situation. Randi, since you have an offer of help in Michigan, could you not drive her there yourself? Perhaps have someone to drive and you can keep Roriee comfortable and make sure she doesn't get excited? It's a shame that help for her is so far away but, if that's your only option, you should take it IMO.

Both Roriee and you will be in my prayers. I wish for nothing but the best for her and hope to see an update with some positive news.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Flipping joke eh?

Since you will be checking back, here is something for you to peruse:


http://www.humaneassociationofgeorgi...al_cruelty.pdf

HOW TO IDENTIFY AND REPORT ANIMAL CRUELTY IN GEORGIA
Incidents of animal fighting or animal cruelty may go unreported because of a lack of understanding of what constitutes animal cruelty and the agency that should be notified when it is witnessed. This paper explains the legal parameters surrounding animal cruelty charges and the various governmental agencies involved by animal species or activity. These guidelines should help direct you to the proper authority and allow more prompt and effective investigation of incidents. Use of these guidelines will enable the current enforcement manpower to concentrate on investigating, prosecuting and monitoring reported cases.
What Is the Legal Definition of Animal Cruelty in Georgia?
Animal Cruelty (misdemeanor charge): A person commits the offense of cruelty to animals when he/she causes death or unjustifiable physical pain or suffering to any animal by an act, an omission, or willful neglect. Willful neglect means the intentional withholding of food and water required by an animal to prevent starvation or dehydration. O.C.G.A. 16-12-4
· Adequate food and water means food and water that is sufficient in an amount and appropriate for the particular type of animal to prevent starvation, dehydration, or a significant risk to the animal's health from a lack of food or water. O.C.G.A. 4-11-2, 4-13-2
· Humane care of animals means, but is not limited to, the provision of adequate heat, ventilation, sanitary shelter, and wholesome and adequate food and water, consistent with the normal requirements and feeding habits of the animal's size,species, and breed. O.C.G.A. 4-11-2, 4-13-2
Animal Cruelty (felony charge): A person commits the offense of aggravated cruelty to animals when he or she knowingly and maliciously causes death or physical harm to an animal by rendering a part of such animal's body useless or by seriously disfiguringsuch animal…(paraphrased) except for conduct otherwise permitted under state or federal law. O.C.G.A. 16-12-4

Linda, some people just dont get it and never will.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by maryeverett1

Same story different day is right! What is the point of openly being nasty to someone who is in obvious anguish over not only the condition of their dog but how to help their dog? I don't think she was asking to be coddled but you can be decent to a human being that is also suffering. I agree this dog needs to be helped asap and probably needed help before now but I can tell you Accusing to report this lady for animal cruelty is a flipping joke! She came on to find help and like in so many cases and threads "same story different day" here are people yelling at someone who is trying (definitely not done perfect or soon enough but trying nonetheless and in obvious pain over her decisions) and what does she find? People calling her names and threatening to report her! You sure as heck can do it "your way" but how is that working for you since she is leaving and no longer willing to post? How does that help this pup in the long run? There is a way to provide help and honest straight forward blunt "what she needs to hear" advice without abusing the people that are coming to get it. Yes she could have done things sooner and differently maybe but what good does it do this baby to bash her over the head with that now? Comments like this disgust me and are so not helpful that it's not even funny. What about just putting the abuse on hold and focusing on helping this pup get the immediate care she needs? Feel free to abuse me now too because I know the drill and what's coming next...don't bother. I won't be checking back. And yes I did read the entire thread and did notice the few compassionate, helpful, resourceful, caring yet firm responses. All threads like this teach people is not to bring their mistakes or problems to YT because most likely you won't get any help just a barrage of insults.

To the OP...I can't even imagine how rough this is to go through but I know you will do what's best for this baby even if it's devastating for you because any of us who truly love our babies would do what was needed no matter how hard it is for us personally. That's what true love means. I am also sorry you are suffering with colon caner and a job loss. So many things for one person to deal with at once. Praying that you have strength to endure it all and come out stronger!

Its really hard to understand how a person feels and thinks over the internet. Linda is a VERY compassionate person that loves helping our little friends. I have met her and talk with her almost every day. She has silently helped several members financially and emotionally with their sick dogs. Please understand her compassion. These little Yorkies can go down so fast and she has seen it. Thats why we must act FAST. Maybe we should channel all this energy into coming up with an emergency plan for situations like this.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by maryeverett1

Same story different day is right! What is the point of openly being nasty to someone who is in obvious anguish over not only the condition of their dog but how to help their dog? I don't think she was asking to be coddled but you can be decent to a human being that is also suffering. I agree this dog needs to be helped asap and probably needed help before now but I can tell you Accusing to report this lady for animal cruelty is a flipping joke! She came on to find help and like in so many cases and threads "same story different day" here are people yelling at someone who is trying (definitely not done perfect or soon enough but trying nonetheless and in obvious pain over her decisions) and what does she find? People calling her names and threatening to report her! You sure as heck can do it "your way" but how is that working for you since she is leaving and no longer willing to post? How does that help this pup in the long run? There is a way to provide help and honest straight forward blunt "what she needs to hear" advice without abusing the people that are coming to get it. Yes she could have done things sooner and differently maybe but what good does it do this baby to bash her over the head with that now? Comments like this disgust me and are so not helpful that it's not even funny. What about just putting the abuse on hold and focusing on helping this pup get the immediate care she needs? Feel free to abuse me now too because I know the drill and what's coming next...don't bother. I won't be checking back. And yes I did read the entire thread and did notice the few compassionate, helpful, resourceful, caring yet firm responses. All threads like this teach people is not to bring their mistakes or problems to YT because most likely you won't get any help just a barrage of insults.

To the OP...I can't even imagine how rough this is to go through but I know you will do what's best for this baby even if it's devastating for you because any of us who truly love our babies would do what was needed no matter how hard it is for us personally. That's what true love means. I am also sorry you are suffering with colon caner and a job loss. So many things for one person to deal with at once. Praying that you have strength to endure it all and come out stronger!

I disagree with you. The first two pages of this thread are nothing but 'nice' replies. In this instance, 'nice' wasn't getting through to the OP. Sometimes one has to be more firm, more shocking, or more blunt, something that you would probably label as 'rude', to get through to some owners (nothing against these owners, in truth, most just really don't know) that something needs to be done, action needs to happen, in order to save a life.
I think the problem was too that the OP had been to a vet who was supportive of her attempts to nurse this pup to health. But, I believe the vet is in error and could have made better recommendations. The issue of the pup 'having other problems' the hydrocephalus and the LP, making her a poor candidate for successful surgery, is one thing I question.

Is the hydrocephalus a result of the AAI? Probably. In which case surgery would be the best treatment, relieving the pressure on the brain by way of placing a shunt to get the accumulated fluid off the brain and surgically stablizing the vertebrae. This is the 'fix' for this pup. Why didn't the vet push for this to happen? Client has no money at this time. So, they agree to go home with meds and hope for the best. Vet knows this pup will not survive, or needs to brush up on AAI. Client doesn't fully understand the severity of this condition, or insists on attempting to nurse this pup back to health. Is it fair to the pup to have to suffer through this treatment? No, it is not fair.

So then the OP comes here to YT, for help, support, funds, ideas? And she meets a group of people who know better. People who see dogs suffer on a daily basis. People who work with vets, and know what treatments are available. People from all walks of life, and from all occupations. People who know how to end suffering of the innocent, through whatever means it takes to get there. And what happens? Two pages of nice replies, of being told to seek medical help for this pup, and she decides to wait for two more days, to see if this pup shows any improvement. Sorry, wrong answer. We didn't do our job, we didn't get thought to the OP.

So, with 20 or so people trying to jump through their monitors to try to reach the OP, ladyjane comes along. She's been here all along, and after having made 3-4 valiant attempts to be nice, she steps up to the plate. And she will battle her way through, come high water and all, because she cares about little dogs, especially this one, now. And, no matter how it sounds, she is not here to make friends, she is here to save lives. And when 'nice' don't get it, she will make sure one does 'get it' before they leave.

So, should threads escalate to this point? No, not in a perfect world. And, basically, when people are not receptive immediately to good advice, we have to think maybe we could be doing something more helpful by seeking another thread and just move on. Which sometimes happens. It really depends on each thread, the receptiveness of the person seeking the advice, and the problems presented.

And if you watch and read these threads, you may notice that some responders are good at getting the initial info, then others come on and help with the assesment and medical stuff, and others that do the transportation or other special needs, some come on to support and encourage, and a few kick butt when deemed necessary. All this for what? So that as many little dogs can get what they need to go on and live long and very happy lives.

[Mardelin]

I stongly urge members to think/investigate a situation before they attempt to call out another member for their methods/style/bluntness in posting with a post such as this "Same story different day" that's for sure! . As it may thwart any progress that has been achieved in getting a pup the proper care.

If one's strong convictions, deem it necessary to address another member's style, then do so, but privately and not in the same manner they are chastising and/or reprimanding the other person for.

[107barney]

A lot has been said on this thread but LadyJane you said it best. You can speak for my dogs anytime I can't do it myself.

To the OP - isn't there anyone in GA who has a clue what to do with this pup? Last time I checked, you had some major cities in GA namely Atlanta! Don't you have any rescues right there? It seems very cruel to now transport this already suffering dog across half way across the country!

Unfortunately, the "same story different day" is really about people who do not do right for the animals in their care and are too selfish to surrender them when they have no money and leave a dog in that kind of SCREAMING pain. I feel sorry for Randi in a sense, but she is the "same story different day" here.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Damn it Ann, you put me to shame, your writing is so articulate and error free. I went back and read my post.....oh dear what a mess....errors and misplaced words.....I thought I proof read it twice...guess I can't trust my ole eyes anymore....

Not even close, your post was so thorough and thoughtful....I actually now think we need a sticky in the Rescue section (maybe it's your post, or very similar?) regarding "the passion behind Rescue".

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Randi, how can we help? I'm pretty sure people here have contacts in GA...do you want help? Are you comfortable w/ having Roriee transported? Where are things at?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Not even close, your post was so thorough and thoughtful....I actually now think we need a sticky in the Rescue section (maybe it's your post, or very similar?) regarding "the passion behind Rescue".

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Randi, how can we help? I'm pretty sure people here have contacts in GA...do you want help? Are you comfortable w/ having Roriee transported? Where are things at?

I agree a sticky would inform people of a rescuer's job involves. And stessing that do it on a volunteer basis for the love of the dog. I've never worked rescue, but know plenty of people that do.
I'm not sure if anyone understands how they network with other rescues. The countless hours they spend caring for the dogs in their home. Running to vets, obtaining donations, on the phone attempting to obtain foster homes for these little creatures. The heartbreak they experience because they don't have homes for some and they have to turn them away.

[luvdorkyyorkies]

HI Sweetheat. FIrst I want to give you a huge cyber hug.
THis is very heartbreaking for you and your girl. My heart goes out to you. ANd IM praying there is a solution, that gives you less stress. SInce you are sick also, you definitely dont need it.

DO rescues ever surrender a dog back to their owner? I have no idea how it works at all. But I for one would donate what I could to a rescue who would help this caring owner and babygirl yorkie be reunited, if anyway possible, after surgery.