Roriee (AAI puppy) has had a major relapse!

[randiik]

i will call and ask him.. they are closed now but first thing in the morning since it is too late for anyone to get anything done and i am at work until 9pm.. if he clears her i will not let her ride in the cargo part.. that would scare her to death and she can only go with someone, in the cabin.. where they can calm her and make sure she isnt scared..

[TLC]

Originally Posted by randiik

i will call and ask him.. they are closed now but first thing in the morning since it is too late for anyone to get anything done and i am at work until 9pm.. if he clears her i will not let her ride in the cargo part.. that would scare her to death and she can only go with someone, in the cabin.. where they can calm her and make sure she isnt scared..

I think that is a good idea to call the Vet and get clearance.
Also, Randi, I don't think anyone would ever suggest you putting Roriee in cargo. It is scary and unsafe for a healthy pup, let alone an AAI pup.

I hope things work out soon

[randiik]

i didnt know for sure who would go with her that is why i was afraid that she would be put there... i have never gone through any of this before so transporting is very new to me.. how they do it and how everyone meets up has to be very planned... i fed her before i left and she lapped up that pedisure.. she took 2 full syringes then she told me she was done..her eyes look so much better now also.. she just wasnt sleeping and now she is...the house is quiet and my friend jon isnt there with his booming voice
he was a great help to me these last few days but she jumps at any noise she doesnt know unless she is on my tummy then she is calm and snoring...

[maryeverett1]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Typical....where have you been the past three days? Perhaps you need to go back and read every post.

Come along now and act like people are mean. Same story, different day.

All I can say is again: THANK GOD the pup is going to FINALLY get help.

As I said...no one enjoys this....it was just something that HAD to be done. Sometimes things must be said for people to wake up. If we had coddled her do you really think she would have surrendered this pup? She needed to face the reality.
Now, I am not going to argue with you. I am going to move on and help other pups who need it. I will do it my way....not yours. I do not enjoy having to come down on someone, but sometimes it is absolutely necessary. And, if you want to go around saying that is mean, that is your prerogative. Have a wonderful night.

Same story different day is right! What is the point of openly being nasty to someone who is in obvious anguish over not only the condition of their dog but how to help their dog? I don't think she was asking to be coddled but you can be decent to a human being that is also suffering. I agree this dog needs to be helped asap and probably needed help before now but I can tell you Accusing to report this lady for animal cruelty is a flipping joke! She came on to find help and like in so many cases and threads "same story different day" here are people yelling at someone who is trying (definitely not done perfect or soon enough but trying nonetheless and in obvious pain over her decisions) and what does she find? People calling her names and threatening to report her! You sure as heck can do it "your way" but how is that working for you since she is leaving and no longer willing to post? How does that help this pup in the long run? There is a way to provide help and honest straight forward blunt "what she needs to hear" advice without abusing the people that are coming to get it. Yes she could have done things sooner and differently maybe but what good does it do this baby to bash her over the head with that now? Comments like this disgust me and are so not helpful that it's not even funny. What about just putting the abuse on hold and focusing on helping this pup get the immediate care she needs? Feel free to abuse me now too because I know the drill and what's coming next...don't bother. I won't be checking back. And yes I did read the entire thread and did notice the few compassionate, helpful, resourceful, caring yet firm responses. All threads like this teach people is not to bring their mistakes or problems to YT because most likely you won't get any help just a barrage of insults.

To the OP...I can't even imagine how rough this is to go through but I know you will do what's best for this baby even if it's devastating for you because any of us who truly love our babies would do what was needed no matter how hard it is for us personally. That's what true love means. I am also sorry you are suffering with colon caner and a job loss. So many things for one person to deal with at once. Praying that you have strength to endure it all and come out stronger!

[ladyjane]

Flipping joke eh?

Since you will be checking back, here is something for you to peruse:


http://www.humaneassociationofgeorgi...al_cruelty.pdf

HOW TO IDENTIFY AND REPORT ANIMAL CRUELTY IN GEORGIA
Incidents of animal fighting or animal cruelty may go unreported because of a lack of understanding of what constitutes animal cruelty and the agency that should be notified when it is witnessed. This paper explains the legal parameters surrounding animal cruelty charges and the various governmental agencies involved by animal species or activity. These guidelines should help direct you to the proper authority and allow more prompt and effective investigation of incidents. Use of these guidelines will enable the current enforcement manpower to concentrate on investigating, prosecuting and monitoring reported cases.
What Is the Legal Definition of Animal Cruelty in Georgia?
Animal Cruelty (misdemeanor charge): A person commits the offense of cruelty to animals when he/she causes death or unjustifiable physical pain or suffering to any animal by an act, an omission, or willful neglect. Willful neglect means the intentional withholding of food and water required by an animal to prevent starvation or dehydration. O.C.G.A. 16-12-4
· Adequate food and water means food and water that is sufficient in an amount and appropriate for the particular type of animal to prevent starvation, dehydration, or a significant risk to the animal's health from a lack of food or water. O.C.G.A. 4-11-2, 4-13-2
· Humane care of animals means, but is not limited to, the provision of adequate heat, ventilation, sanitary shelter, and wholesome and adequate food and water, consistent with the normal requirements and feeding habits of the animal's size,species, and breed. O.C.G.A. 4-11-2, 4-13-2
Animal Cruelty (felony charge): A person commits the offense of aggravated cruelty to animals when he or she knowingly and maliciously causes death or physical harm to an animal by rendering a part of such animal's body useless or by seriously disfiguringsuch animal…(paraphrased) except for conduct otherwise permitted under state or federal law. O.C.G.A. 16-12-4

[LuvMySissy]

Originally Posted by dwerten

jodi from luvmysissy on here does transport by plane maybe she can help as her hubby is a flight attendant i believe and she is able to get flights to fly pups so they do not have to be crated in cargo

I am just now seeing this. I am sorry, but there is absolutely no time in my schedule to do this. I know that various rescues have people who transport in cabin on a regular basis and are familiar with transporting a sick animal and may have exceptions for in-cabin procedures that allow them to hold the animal and provide comfort and assistance as needed. The new pet airline may also be an alternative.....

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by maryeverett1

Same story different day is right! What is the point of openly being nasty to someone who is in obvious anguish over not only the condition of their dog but how to help their dog? I don't think she was asking to be coddled but you can be decent to a human being that is also suffering. I agree this dog needs to be helped asap and probably needed help before now but I can tell you Accusing to report this lady for animal cruelty is a flipping joke! She came on to find help and like in so many cases and threads "same story different day" here are people yelling at someone who is trying (definitely not done perfect or soon enough but trying nonetheless and in obvious pain over her decisions) and what does she find? People calling her names and threatening to report her! You sure as heck can do it "your way" but how is that working for you since she is leaving and no longer willing to post? How does that help this pup in the long run? There is a way to provide help and honest straight forward blunt "what she needs to hear" advice without abusing the people that are coming to get it. Yes she could have done things sooner and differently maybe but what good does it do this baby to bash her over the head with that now? Comments like this disgust me and are so not helpful that it's not even funny. What about just putting the abuse on hold and focusing on helping this pup get the immediate care she needs? Feel free to abuse me now too because I know the drill and what's coming next...don't bother. I won't be checking back. And yes I did read the entire thread and did notice the few compassionate, helpful, resourceful, caring yet firm responses. All threads like this teach people is not to bring their mistakes or problems to YT because most likely you won't get any help just a barrage of insults.

To the OP...I can't even imagine how rough this is to go through but I know you will do what's best for this baby even if it's devastating for you because any of us who truly love our babies would do what was needed no matter how hard it is for us personally. That's what true love means. I am also sorry you are suffering with colon caner and a job loss. So many things for one person to deal with at once. Praying that you have strength to endure it all and come out stronger!

Mary,

Please don't think that posting to you in defense of Ladyjane, as you know she can defend herself. What I'm attempting to do is make you understand the passion behind some of YT members posts

I don't think Ladyjane is at this point thinking about winning a popularity contest. Her thought are only with this per little creature that has been suffering for so long enough. Since she has worked in rescue for years, she's seen it all. The pups she has taken in have come to her from so many avenues, some the product of bad breeding, some because they just aren't wanted anymore, the reasons go on and on. These poor little creatures have no one to speak up for them or to turn to, to protect them. These wonderful rescues do that.....they pour their hearts and souls into these little dogs.

That being said, this poor little creature has been suffering for sometime, screaming in pain while her owner makes a determination of what she is going to do. This pup has no time and if anymore hesitation is made there won't be any decisiona to make. Roiree will be gone, how sad will that be, knowing that her life could have been saved had her owner just acted sooner. A rescuer's duties and alligance is to the animal first and they do and say whatever it takes to make things right.

I know as an RN in another life, there are times to be sympathetic and then there are times one just has to do something to wake that family up. Believe there have been times I've screamed at parents (I was a pediatric nurse) attempting to make them make the best choice for the child. And yes, I got in trouble, but my first concern was for the child.

Once you understand there are a few of us that are much more passionate than others, due to the fact that maybe our envolvement with these creatures is a bit more in depth. And that's not to say average pet owners aren't just as passionate, because some of them are. But, these passionate people recognize the urgency of a situation and know there is no time to waste, no sugar coating. Yes, we understand the emotions that the owner is going through, but right at that moment we don't care, it's all about the dog. I don't know how many times I've wanted to be able to put my hands through the screen and strangle someone......

Let me add in my opinion a thread such as this one, where a pup's life is on the edge is a place for anyone to be calling out anyone else on their writing style, delivery of their statments. That should be done behind the scenes

[Nancy1999]

Thanks God for people who understand the urgency of a situation like this. Way to go LJ!

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Mary,

Please don't think that posting to you in defense of Ladyjane, as you know she can defend herself. What I'm attempting to do is make you understand the passion behind some of YT members posts

I don't think Ladyjane is at this point thinking about winning a popularity contest. Her thought are only with this per little creature that has been suffering for so long enough. Since she has worked in rescue for years, she's seen it all. The pups she has taken in have come to her from so many avenues, some the product of bad breeding, some because they just aren't wanted anymore, the reasons go on and on. These poor little creatures have no one to speak up for them or to turn to, to protect them. These wonderful rescues do that.....they pour their hearts and souls into these little dogs.

That being said, this poor little creature has been suffering for sometime, screaming in pain while her owner makes a determination of what she is going to do. This pup has no time and if anymore hesitation is made there won't be any decisiona to make. Roiree will be gone, how sad will that be, knowing that her life could have been saved had her owner just acted sooner. A rescuer's duties and alligance is to the animal first and they do and say whatever it takes to make things right.

I know as an RN in another life, there are times to be sympathetic and then there are times one just has to do something to wake that family up. Believe there have been times I've screamed at parents (I was a pediatric nurse) attempting to make them make the best choice for the child. And yes, I got in trouble, but my first concern was for the child.

Once you understand there are a few of us that are much more passionate than others, due to the fact that maybe our envolvement with these creatures is a bit more in depth. And that's not to say average pet owners aren't just as passionate, because some of them are. But, these passionate people recognize the urgency of a situation and know there is no time to waste, no sugar coating. Yes, we understand the emotions that the owner is going through, but right at that moment we don't care, it's all about the dog. I don't know how many times I've wanted to be able to put my hands through the screen and strangle someone......

Let me add in my opinion a thread such as this one, where a pup's life is on the edge is a place for anyone to be calling out anyone else on their writing style, delivery of their statments. That should be done behind the scenes

Poor Roiree can't speak for herself. I am glad Ladyjane spoke for her.

[shodanusmc]

I feel a great deal of pain for the lady OP and the little Dog. I know everyone is concerned about a favorable outcome for both of them, we all just express ourselves differenty. A discussion like this can quickly become heated. Sometimes though, when you jump on a person, you cause them to withdraw. Sometimes it may be better dealing thru a PM, or getting a phone number. I just hope for a favorable outcome for both. I can see Lady janes point of view, and at the same time, I can seem MaryEverettes, and as usualy, Mardelin is the cooling calm before the storm. That is all I will say.

[Ladymom]

Double post

[WinstonMom]

I, for one, thank God for ladyjane. I am glad she has the courage and tenacity to put the welfare of the pup, who cannot speak for herself, before the feelings of the owner, who is not defenseless like the pup. If one has to push an owner a little to get them to do the right thing, so be it.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Double post

I saw that, but it gives me a moment to answer to you. I've stated before, that I wish everyone would walk a mile in the shoes of those that rescue or volunteer at shelter. What these people see on a daily basis is almost unbearable. I have so much respect for them and really understand their frustration,

I also, the enormity of what the OP is feeling and going through, but in the end, this poor puppy's welfare is what it's really about.

[katy-yorkie]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

I, for one, thank God for ladyjane. I am glad she has the courage and tenacity to put the welfare of the pup, who cannot speak for herself, before the feelings of the owner, who is not defenseless like the pup. If one has to push an owner a little to get them to do the right thing, so be it.

So true, so true.

[katy-yorkie]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

I feel a great deal of pain for the lady OP and the little Dog. I know everyone is concerned about a favorable outcome for both of them, we all just express ourselves differenty. A discussion like this can quickly become heated. Sometimes though, when you jump on a person, you cause them to withdraw. Sometimes it may be better dealing thru a PM, or getting a phone number. I just hope for a favorable outcome for both. I can see Lady janes point of view, and at the same time, I can seem MaryEverettes, and as usualy, Mardelin is the cooling calm before the storm. That is all I will say.

This discussion became heated as Roriee has been like this since last November. Maybe she did get better for a while but her owner knew without proper medical attention that Roriee would not get completely well. LadyJane and many other members begged Randi at that time to get help for Roriee. I think Randi was contacted by PM and other ways. How long must this pup suffer? I too hope for a favorable outcome for both of them but time is not on Roriee's side. I commend LadyJane as she speaks for the ones that cannot speak for themselves.