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Lovetodream88 08-23-2014 10:24 AM

Markfromsea I think you need to read the thread starting at the beginning and see what it is all about!

Faboosh 08-23-2014 10:41 AM

I have mixed feelings about this thread. On the one hand, I'm happy to see it since I myself felt totally discouraged to participate at all over the last 9 months I've been away and know I'm not alone in that- so I hope this is a positive and permanent change here. On the other hand, it's sad that it even needs to be said on a site full of mostly adults who are Yorkie lovers.

At the end of the day, we're all here because of our love for this breed. I know that I've learned an awful lot from these forums and want to be able to stick around and continue to learn more and share what I know with others- we all need the help and camaraderie. None of us need the negativity, however. Life in general is negative enough, why add to it?

MauiGirl 08-23-2014 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lisaly (Post 4480089)
“Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. —Ian Maclaren

I love this poster and quote. There is a book for middle school aged kids called Wonder that has sold over a million copies. It is now a school-wide read for our district's middle school. Although my students are ninth graders, I read it to see how I could spread the book's important message to them. The book has great appeal to kids, but adults have really loved it, including me. It is about a boy with severe craniofacial abnormalities who enters school for the very first time in fifth grade. There is a big campaign (Choose Kind) spreading the book's anti-bullying message. If you have children it's wonderful to read this book with them. This quote was used in the follow up book to Wonder that had a chapter written from the bully's point of view.


Wonder

The Julian Chapter: A Wonder Story: R. J. Palacio, Michael Chamberlain: 9781491524084: Amazon.com: Books

Amazon.com: The Julian Chapter: A Wonder Story (Kindle Single) eBook: R. J. Palacio: Kindle Store


These are some of Wonder's quotes about kindness:

“When given the choice between being right or being kind, choose kind. - Dr Wayne W. Dyer”
― R.J. Palacio, Wonder

“Kinder than is necessary. Because it's not enough to be kind. One should be kinder than needed.”
― R.J. Palacio, Wonder
From a quote by Barrie, the author of Peter Pan

Part of the passage that used the quote:
“But in another book by J. M. Barrie called The Little White Bird … he writes …” He started flipping through a small book on the podium until he found the page he was looking for, and then he put on his reading glasses. “ ‘Shall we make a new rule of life … always to try to be a little kinder than is necessary?’ ” Here Mr. Tushman looked up at the audience. “Kinder than is necessary,” he repeated. “What a marvelous line, isn’t it? Kinder than is necessary. Because it’s not enough to be kind. One should be kinder than needed.”
― R.J. Palacio, Wonder


“We carry with us, as human beings, not just the capacity to be kind, but the very choice of kindness.”
― R.J. Palacio, Wonder

“There’s no rule book that tells you how to act in every given situation in life, you know? So what I always say is that it’s always better to err on the side of kindness. That’s the secret. If you don’t know what to do, just be kind. You can’t go wrong.”
― R.J. Palacio, The Julian Chapter: A Wonder Story

Lisa, thank you for this post full of very meaningful quotes. I love them all, and the whole concept of "Chose Kind" and Be Kind is something that one would think should be the first response in any situation.

We can never underestimate the power of positive thoughts, words and actions, and it should not take much effort to go in that direction.

Chas W 08-27-2014 09:29 AM

I totally agree! It seems that many people, today, are either easily offended, or prefer to offend rather than engage civilly! Many thanks to those who practice civility! :)

GracieJane 08-27-2014 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lisaly (Post 4480089)
“Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. —Ian Maclaren

I love this poster and quote. There is a book for middle school aged kids called Wonder that has sold over a million copies. It is now a school-wide read for our district's middle school. Although my students are ninth graders, I read it to see how I could spread the book's important message to them. The book has great appeal to kids, but adults have really loved it, including me. It is about a boy with severe craniofacial abnormalities who enters school for the very first time in fifth grade. There is a big campaign (Choose Kind) spreading the book's anti-bullying message. If you have children it's wonderful to read this book with them. This quote was used in the follow up book to Wonder that had a chapter written from the bully's point of view.


Wonder

The Julian Chapter: A Wonder Story: R. J. Palacio, Michael Chamberlain: 9781491524084: Amazon.com: Books

Amazon.com: The Julian Chapter: A Wonder Story (Kindle Single) eBook: R. J. Palacio: Kindle Store


These are some of Wonder's quotes about kindness:

“When given the choice between being right or being kind, choose kind. - Dr Wayne W. Dyer”
― R.J. Palacio, Wonder

“Kinder than is necessary. Because it's not enough to be kind. One should be kinder than needed.”
― R.J. Palacio, Wonder
From a quote by Barrie, the author of Peter Pan

Part of the passage that used the quote:
“But in another book by J. M. Barrie called The Little White Bird … he writes …” He started flipping through a small book on the podium until he found the page he was looking for, and then he put on his reading glasses. “ ‘Shall we make a new rule of life … always to try to be a little kinder than is necessary?’ ” Here Mr. Tushman looked up at the audience. “Kinder than is necessary,” he repeated. “What a marvelous line, isn’t it? Kinder than is necessary. Because it’s not enough to be kind. One should be kinder than needed.”
― R.J. Palacio, Wonder


“We carry with us, as human beings, not just the capacity to be kind, but the very choice of kindness.”
― R.J. Palacio, Wonder

“There’s no rule book that tells you how to act in every given situation in life, you know? So what I always say is that it’s always better to err on the side of kindness. That’s the secret. If you don’t know what to do, just be kind. You can’t go wrong.”
― R.J. Palacio, The Julian Chapter: A Wonder Story

Thank you for taking the time to write this post. I have read every word of this thread and Wonder AND The Julian Chapter and could not have put this together anywhere near this fluently. Some of the same quotes are posted in my classroom, and there is great wisdom in each one.

It just helps to speak the truth in love. Still working on that. . .

gemy 08-27-2014 05:24 PM

For me the most evocative poem on this topic
 
Kindness is the only emotion that will stand the test of time,
It will look well, and be well,

Long after the prism of politeness, and the complexion of courtesy

Has passed and faded away.


Anon....

lisaly 08-27-2014 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MauiGirl (Post 4480129)
Lisa, thank you for this post full of very meaningful quotes. I love them all, and the whole concept of "Chose Kind" and Be Kind is something that one would think should be the first response in any situation.

We can never underestimate the power of positive thoughts, words and actions, and it should not take much effort to go in that direction.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GracieJane (Post 4481658)
Thank you for taking the time to write this post. I have read every word of this thread and Wonder AND The Julian Chapter and could not have put this together anywhere near this fluently. Some of the same quotes are posted in my classroom, and there is great wisdom in each one.

It just helps to speak the truth in love. Still working on that. . .


Thank you both for your kindness. It's such a beautiful story with a very important message for people of all ages, and it was a quick and enjoyable read. I needed to read the Julian story afterwards to try to understand Julian and his mom. I found her attitude horrible. I love how his grandmother's story affected him so powerfully. I will definitely be sharing this novel's themes with my students. I'm going to buy the newest book relating to Wonder. I've downloaded a sample on my IPad and Kindle and have been excited about it. I love the idea of precepts with my students.

When I read Wonder, I kept thinking of Ann (Wylie's Mom). The character of Summer reminded me of her because of her kindness. Ann should know what a huge compliment that is!

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Wonder: R. J. Palacio: 9780375869020: Amazon.com:...Wonder: R. J. Palacio: 9780375869020: Amazon.com:...

intilis 08-28-2014 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea (Post 4481805)
I've asked several times that this posting be removed.
You chose to delete what I wrote, so delete this as well. I described who attacked me in particular when I first joined when I asked about dental care for my old dog who we had just been given to us. As well as my observation of her attacking others that had just joined. I also pointed out that that person is playing all nice and wonderful in this thread as if she is as innocent as a newly born baby. I find that hypocritical.

There appears to be a great deal of favoritism as to who's postings are left when deletions occur....

Have a good day.

Hi Mark, I think you may be misunderstanding how this works. I believe they only delete rude or nasty or controversial posts.

ladyjane 08-28-2014 04:28 AM

I feel your pain....my well written post was removed as well because I quoted you in all your nastiness. Why you are chosing to obsess over one thread where I was NOT rude to you is beyond me MarkFromSea. You asked for and received advice. I gave my advice and my opinions. That is allowed on YT. It was not rude and you have been rude and had many postings removed because of it. I believe you were also suspended. If you continue, you will surely find out how far is too far. My advice: let it go

Piddle Place 08-28-2014 01:00 PM

Thank you
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4465267)
Hi all -

Firstly, I just want to say what a wonderful community YT is, and that I hope this thread can help us all think about improving our presence here during interactions…even if it just means tweaking our posting styles a bit.

I’ll get right to the point: we’ve been receiving a huge amount of communications from members who are concerned/venting about some of the harshness and aggression they’re seeing/perceiving in the community. This harshness pertains to both new and old members - on both the receiving and giving end of things. We’re hearing there is a pervasive feeling that members are being driven away via disrespectful, snarky, disdainful, extremely aggressive, and downright mean posting styles. This needs to stop.

We cannot be a community or call ourselves a community if we don’t come together sometimes, as a collective, and agree to do better. Well, it’s time to come together and agree to do better...to be more aware of giving (yes, GIVING) respect, to be more kind, to be more compassionate and supportive.

No one is asking anyone to be a Pollyanna or to not be themselves. We’re merely asking that, in your interactions, you strive harder and TRULY commit to what is mentioned in the previous paragraph. It’s not that hard -- and if it IS hard for you, then perhaps this isn’t the right board for you and perhaps it’s time to move on from YT to find an environment that does fit.

We are not asking much. If you do think we’re asking too much, then 1) this is not the community for you 2) you’re being self-centered and 3) you need to develop your insight into human beings, other than yourself. WE ARE NOT ASKING MUCH.

It is okay to speak your mind here at YT. However, it is not okay to simply justify any means you deem fit to meet your end goal. We believe in being STRONG advocates for dogs/animals - but not, however, at the expense of the human being behind that dependent and innocent dog. Please do not assume or think that it’s okay to behave any way you please merely because it’s in the interest of an animal. We all need to be decent here and post w/ a modicum of respect…EVEN when and especially when dealing with someone who is doing everything we are personally opposed to. Your opposition to another human being’s behavior does *not* mean you are right, nor is it a fact that they are universally and categorically wrong….it merely means you have opposition. Please learn to deal with it because it’s not going away.

If we see excessively negative and/or badgering posting styles, we will be warning people or suspending people and/or permanently banning members’ accounts.

This is an open discussion in terms of feedback, thoughts, concerns….so please feel free to share. This post is not aimed at anyone, so please do not make assumptions. It was driven by the sheer amount of concerned members who expressed themselves via PMs and on the forum itself. Thank you for reading! :)

I thank you so much for saying this, and especially sharing the quote.

I love coming here to see everyone's photos, and was sometimes shocked at the conversations.

I thank this forum for allowing me the courage to adopt another Yorkie after my dog died. I feel like you all are family, like most families, we sometimes argue, but at the end of the day, a big group hug.

tiffygirl2003 09-16-2014 05:41 PM

Glad to be back!
 
Like many others on YT, I was also run away because of the harsh, negative response from some posters. I had joined YT as a safe place to go where I could interact, ask questions and even sometimes vent. But what I was confronted with surprised me. I had signed on one day for some advise and the responses from a few posters was their attitudes of superiority and how dumb could I be not to know the answer to my question. Well, in all honesty, why would I have asked the question, if I already knew the answer? I felt so hurt that I stopped posting and attempted to find other sources to help me with my babies. Just 2 days ago, I decided to give the site another try and I was so warmly received even though they didn't know about my inactivity. There are a lot of wonderful, knowledgeable people on YT and I appreciate their assistance and input. From now on, I will report those that are rude or disrespectful and will not allow anyone to run me away again. I missed some of the wonderful folks that I had met on this sight.

lynzy420 09-16-2014 05:59 PM

When I first came here I was attacked and chased off too...at least that was my immediate thought....but then I wondered WHY? Why were these people all chastising me and I investigated and asked questions...I got over myself and my own hurt feelings to find the answer for my pups sake. There came a point when I realized that if I came to a Yorkie Site filled with tons of people that perhaps...just perhaps....I was the one who WAS wrong, hmmmmm could I admit that, could I possibly get around it???? Could I get past my defensiveness for the better of my dog and READ what they were saying instead of taking in personally....well I went with the majority and did what they suggested I did because "hey, they must know something"...the people here saved my pup and me...I am forever grateful that I took their constructive criticism to heart and fought past my own personal feelings, I realized they were here for a reason...I still do...a couple thousand posts later, a bunch of new friends....and resources to turn to when I need help with my pups...the knowledge and experience I've gained because of YT....well its quite immeasurable...its now truly a part of who I am, so to all the whiners like me...take a good look at yourself, take the time to read the words and remember these folks have been here a good long time, they are a resource far greater than you know...if you just allow them/us....PTL for YT!!!

gemy 09-16-2014 06:43 PM

I for one am glad that this is an open *stickey* for new and old timers here.

If you *stick around long enough* sorry for the pun (intended);) we have all found ourselves on the short end of the stick so to speak. That means through the years I have been here, I have been subjected to less than kind remarks, and have felt to be under the gun so to speak.

But that is life on a board. Respect, simple human kindness, this stickey reminds me of what is important. Not just here, but in life, all the time, no matter where you walk.

intilis 09-19-2014 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4487655)
When I first came here I was attacked and chased off too...at least that was my immediate thought....but then I wondered WHY? Why were these people all chastising me and I investigated and asked questions...I got over myself and my own hurt feelings to find the answer for my pups sake. There came a point when I realized that if I came to a Yorkie Site filled with tons of people that perhaps...just perhaps....I was the one who WAS wrong, hmmmmm could I admit that, could I possibly get around it???? Could I get past my defensiveness for the better of my dog and READ what they were saying instead of taking in personally....well I went with the majority and did what they suggested I did because "hey, they must know something"...the people here saved my pup and me...I am forever grateful that I took their constructive criticism to heart and fought past my own personal feelings, I realized they were here for a reason...I still do...a couple thousand posts later, a bunch of new friends....and resources to turn to when I need help with my pups...the knowledge and experience I've gained because of YT....well its quite immeasurable...its now truly a part of who I am, so to all the whiners like me...take a good look at yourself, take the time to read the words and remember these folks have been here a good long time, they are a resource far greater than you know...if you just allow them/us....PTL for YT!!!

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Piddle Place 09-20-2014 12:56 AM

group hug
 
Hey everyone, I thank you again for the the advice and friendship I find on YT. It does feel like family, and I am grateful

Come on now, group hug..

bjh 09-20-2014 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piddle Place (Post 4488761)
Hey everyone, I thank you again for the the advice and friendship I find on YT. It does feel like family, and I am grateful

Come on now, group hug..

:ghug:

mrsedwardslpn 09-20-2014 05:33 AM

Thank you so much for this ann. Very well said. I can Definitely agree to think before I post and be kinder in my words.

mrsedwardslpn 09-20-2014 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjh (Post 4488771)
:ghug:

:thumbup:

McheleM 09-24-2014 08:34 PM

Does this mean no more mattress tag ripping????

(There's no other place I can go and get away with that)

Wylie's Mom 09-25-2014 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McheleM (Post 4490475)
Does this mean no more mattress tag ripping????

(There's no other place I can go and get away with that)

I think it does warrant this, it really does!

brittanylayne 09-28-2014 01:45 PM

I'm so happy to see this. I was a donating member, and loved it here until I started reading more in-depth. Then it wasn't a place I wanted to be. I had my account closed but had a problem with my yorkie and created another account because I needed an answer. But never wanted to post. Forgot about this place for a while, but I'm glad I found it again if some of the harshness and nastiness has stopped. It might be a "home" for me and my babies again. Way to go!

dinkster 09-30-2014 02:44 AM

I could try again
 
Hi, I browsed by today after being gone or a couple of years. I did stop coming by and posting because of the way some posters treated others.

There is no tone on blogs so we don't have the benefit of being understood the same way as we would in person.
In person when we say, "I would NEVER do that!" and it would sound as if we were just shocked or reacting.
On a blog, it comes across as judgmental and as if one feels superior. Which you might in the moment, but in person the moment might pass and the you would reach out in understanding.

Posting anonymously is just not the same as speaking in person. I think as time goes on people will learn how to be polite on the Internet. It's not the same as in person communication.

sdfh15 11-04-2014 01:52 AM

It sounds quite reasonable......

kimp5 11-04-2014 03:43 AM

I hope this works. I took a break because I was tired of posting to people that were asking for help via private message to tell them not everyone feels like some do on this board. Some people got so beat up and it wasn't called for. I used to love being on here but soon grew wary of all all the bashing and contempt some had for people who may have made legitimate mistakes or because of economic reasons couldn't get their pet to a $$$$ specialist. It doesnt mean they didn't love their pet as much as anyone else.
Here's hoping for tolerance and compassion...:)

Piddle Place 11-04-2014 04:55 AM

Thank you
 
Thank you,

I agree. I love seeing the beautiful Yorkies here. When breeders post new puppy photos, I am the first to click on the photos and smile. If it were not for breeders, I probably would not be in business, as breeders are one of our best customers for indoor dog toilets

On the other hand, profits from our company supports many shelters, and I volunteer at a shelter. I see many of these dogs adopted to loving homes, and I know they will have a great life. But you are correct, many of the people that come to our shelter would not have the financial means to comply with the advice given here.

Because these people may not be financially able to follow expensive advice, they still come to Yorkie talk looking for solutions. Your suggestions can be a wonderful "jumping off point" for someone to find better food for their pet, know when to take their dog to the vet, know other people have had similar problems, and share how they dealt with these issues.

I have found wonderful advice here, and I thank you all very much. When Jazz was sick, you shared recipes that were less expensive then buying dog food, and improve her health, I had never thought of buying a dog harness for my car. You never know who is coming to YT desperate for help for a sick dog, looking to you to tell us how you worked through behavior issues, keep sharing in a non-critical environment and we all benefit.:animal36:thumbup:

107barney 11-04-2014 05:11 AM

I think that people make choices...
You don't have to let an animal suffer if you can't afford vet care.
You should choose your priorities in life wisely.
Some people really can benefit from the suggestions offered here but those who give the advice will more often than not be left shaking their heads or feeling frustrated when the owner has some bs excuse.

ladyjane 11-04-2014 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4503432)
I think that people make choices...
You don't have to let an animal suffer if you can't afford vet care.
You should choose your priorities in life wisely.

Some people really can benefit from the suggestions offered here but those who give the advice will more often than not be left shaking their heads or feeling frustrated when the owner has some bs excuse.

:yeahthat:

I have seen plenty of people on this forum who didn't have a lot of money for vet care find a way to care for the pup(s) they had decided to take in. They did what it took. Some of us have become very involved in helping people who were struggling...I have seen MUCH kindness on this forum. People do need to take the first step and that is not ignoring good advice and continually posting about how sick a pup is while denying it vet care. Anyone who takes that first step will always get a boost from many YTers. We are here to help but not enable people to neglect their pups. At least that is why I am here. Be darned if I will pat someone on the back and tell him/her what a great pet parent they are if they are proving not to be. "Love" is not a substitute for vet care. Sometimes people just need the truth and, while some of you may think love is enough for a pup, it is not. Just like children, we must find a way to properly care for them or we should not have them.

No one looks down on anyone due to financial constraints....but there is absolutely NO excuse for letting a pup suffer and die; and sadly over the years I have seen that happen here more times than I want to think about.

This theme gets to be so old...seriously. I hardly think that is what was meant by our moderator when she started this thread.

Wylie's Mom 11-04-2014 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimp5 (Post 4503419)
I hope this works. I took a break because I was tired of posting to people that were asking for help via private message to tell them not everyone feels like some do on this board. Some people got so beat up and it wasn't called for. I used to love being on here but soon grew wary of all all the bashing and contempt some had for people who may have made legitimate mistakes or because of economic reasons couldn't get their pet to a $$$$ specialist. It doesnt mean they didn't love their pet as much as anyone else.
Here's hoping for tolerance and compassion...:)

I think we all hope for tolerance and compassion, so I totally agree with you there.

I do think there is a vast difference btwn "legitimate mistakes" and "I don't have the money". When/if a person doesn't have the money to care for their fellow living being for whom they're responsible, there are options they must morally consider (imo).

Lovetodream88 11-04-2014 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piddle Place (Post 4503429)
Thank you,

I agree. I love seeing the beautiful Yorkies here. When breeders post new puppy photos, I am the first to click on the photos and smile. If it were not for breeders, I probably would not be in business, as breeders are one of our best customers for indoor dog toilets

On the other hand, profits from our company supports many shelters, and I volunteer at a shelter. I see many of these dogs adopted to loving homes, and I know they will have a great life. But you are correct, many of the people that come to our shelter would not have the financial means to comply with the advice given here.

Because these people may not be financially able to follow expensive advice, they still come to Yorkie talk looking for solutions. Your suggestions can be a wonderful "jumping off point" for someone to find better food for their pet, know when to take their dog to the vet, know other people have had similar problems, and share how they dealt with these issues.

I have found wonderful advice here, and I thank you all very much. When Jazz was sick, you shared recipes that were less expensive then buying dog food, and improve her health, I had never thought of buying a dog harness for my car. You never know who is coming to YT desperate for help for a sick dog, looking to you to tell us how you worked through behavior issues, keep sharing in a non-critical environment and we all benefit.:animal36:thumbup:

There is nothing wrong with the advise of take your dog to a vet or your dog needs to go to a vet. If you can not afforded to get proper care for dog you should not have one period. A dog should not have to suffer because someone wants a dog but not to take care of it properly.

gemy 11-04-2014 12:31 PM

My take on Wylies Mom posting this, was for us to pause a bit or a long while, grab onto our compassion, and mayhap even re-read a time or two, both the op's posting, and our response (before posting it) and then see if we want to post our response in the way it was originally fashioned.


Nobody here would agree to let a dog suffer, without either the intervention care, or the PTS option. THat ultimately is your dog owner responsibility, and no it is not always to beg for a placement at a shelter or a rescue. It can be an option for some dogs and some owners, but not for all.


What a person can or can not afford to spend in their minds eye or judgement, varies widely across all ethnicities, sexes, and economic circumstances. Most relatively good dog owners research the cost of regular vet care, feeding, training etc; most do not look at the extraordinary circumstances that may arise, and how they will deal with those health issues. Should they of course, but it is a learning curve for all pet owners.


Up until now, I have been lucky in so far, when I have had pups with expensive health issues, I have not had the competing issues of my family with health and financial needs which were beyond my capacity to meet, and I was forced to choose between a human child, sister, mother, brother, father, husband to provide health care for them, or to provide expensive health care for my dog..........


But I already know where I stand on that pendulum of uneviable choices.


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