This reminds me of middle school. So childish...this is not a game of who is winning.

Good grief. Hard for me to understand the workings of a mind that obsesses like this. You need to evict the "one" from your brain as she is not paying rent to live there. I think you would be much happier if you did that. I have found over the years that when someone bothers me, it is ME who has the problem....ME who loses valuable time thinking about them while they are going about their day not giving two minutes of their time to worrying about what I am doing.

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You made a wonderful point and did so with grace and intelligence. I couldn't agree with you more...Well done.

Hi,

I am completely new to YorkieTalk.com and online forums in general. I was shocked at the responses that community members left under the OP in the linked thread:
read and decide for yourselves

I did not come across this stickied thread until after I responded to all the posts in the above thread. It is clear why people stay off of these forums, these types of community members are reducing themselves to a faint percentage of humanity and compassion that we are all born with.

You are 1000% wrong. This member in the thread you linked was looking for support, compassion, and understanding and that is *exactly* what she received. Just because YOU happen to work for the breeder talked about, does NOT make it a vicious attack by the OP. It's HER side of the story and she is allowed to have it! It seems you think there should only be one side of the story or something, the breeder's. The breeder is welcome to post her side here if she wishes. But beyond that, please stop making this OP feel as if she is not allowed to express her story here at YT.

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Why would you be shocked? A website like this is the perfect place for people to discuss their experience with breeders, good and bad. Firebrand Yorkies "appears" to have mistreated a customer. I suspect the customer spent thousands of dollars for a puppy. The puppy died, that's going to happen occasionally so that in itself is not unusual. The breeder, Firebrand Yorkies, did not honor their guarantee and instead laid blame on the customer. Honestly, that's bad business for the breeder no matter how many good pups the breeder has sold in the past. You're only as good as your last pup! If you happen to be the breeder, do the right thing and honor your agreement with your customer. If you only know the breeder in some way, let them know, they need to do the right thing. If Firebrand Yorkies had been an honest retailer, they would have treated their customer with the "humanity and compassion that we are all born with." Obviously, Firebrand Yorkies is "reducing themselves to a faint percentage" of that.

If you read my comment correctly, my reaction is for the responses not the OP. I completely understand offering support, compassion, and comfort at during such a difficult and frustrating time. This is what the OP needs.

What disappoints me is how quickly everyone is to jump to conclusions and defame based on assumptions before hearing both sides of the story. Is that not what civil human beings are supposed to do before casting judgement? Is that not how we proceed in a court of law?

I give as much time as the OP would like to continue to explain her side as all of you should allow the breeder to offer her side. Otherwise, this is not a community built on information and the sharing of such. It is just a community built on bashing others.

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What I am trying to say applies to everyone, myself included:

Do not cast judgement until you have heard both sides. Does a judge ask a jury for their verdict before hearing ALL of the witness statements? This is what makes us a civilization.

Jennifer - people here are welcome to post THEIR side of the story regardless of whether or not the other side of the story is also here to tell their side. It's completely unrealistic to do as you suggest - and ask our members that they NOT share their experiences unless ALL parties are present. Please don't make unrealistic suggestions as they don't help anyone or anything here.

I don't see any definition(s) of "civilization" that include judges and jury. I don't view that these things are what make humans civilized.

Is this a "court of law"? I don't believe so, at least last time I checked.

Sharing one's experiences is NOT bashing. It is simply sharing one's experience, end of story.

As far as "allowing" the breeder to come here and share her side - as I've now said ad nauseum - she is MORE THAN WELCOME TO, for petes sake! This forum is open to all - that's why it's called a forum.

I would ask that you please read my words thoroughly before you post a response. I have never suggested that the member not share their story. I am simply asking everyone to play nice. I just want to still believe that we live in a world inhabited by decent human beings. Human beings who should be given the benefit of the doubt and given second chances since everybody makes mistakes.

I’m sorry that I mixed up civility with judges and juries and I don’t think that these forums are a court of law, they were just analogies.

If you are the one who is promoting respect amongst community members I would like to let you know that I have never felt so intimidated by anyone in my life. I have tried to remain neutral and not accuse anyone but every time I open my mouth you have a snide comeback for it. You are using all-caps which in itself appears threatening.

I am sorry for ever starting any conversations here, this environment is just demeaning and I do not need this type of negativity in my life.

Sometimes the people accusing are the very ones being rude, you called members on here uncivilized. Of course when the OP gives there side of the story members are going to respond with support and also they are going to say this is a bad breeder. It is unrealistic not to expect that. If the breeder wants her side of the story here she can always bring it then there will be 2 sides and everyone can decide for themselves

Jennifer - if I intimidated you, then for that I apologize as that was not my intention. But when you keep coming back and coming back, claiming that people here are being uncivilized for merely sharing their side of the story, it does need to be addressed. You say you haven't accused anyone of anything, and yet you have quite a lot. And you've made allll of these assumptions after being here for 2 seconds and reading a few threads, in particular one which happens to affect you personally. If you actually take a larger look around, you'll see that there are tons of wonderful, kind, supportive, intelligent, passionate, and friendly people here...but it does feel like you only want to see what you want to see, and that is that a friend/colleague of yours is being discussed and not positively.

And if you'd look around some more at what we see here with unethical quantity-based breeding practices, you'd then also possibly understand just *why* there is so much warranted passion regarding the breeding practices that your friend seems to support. This is of *great* concern to those of us who love this breed, love animals, fight for better breeding, and fight for less euthanized animals (which is 3-4 million a year, btw).

Please understand that this entire issue with your friend is much more complex than just the issue at hand...it goes much deeper and wider than that in its implications.

Thank you for responding courteously. The OP has all the more right to share their side of the story. My disappointment has nothing to do with their original post. All the people below the OP are not sharing their side of the story as they are not involved in the incident. They are all just there making assumptions about the breeder and the incident without knowing the whole story. They are making suggestions on how to take her down and ruin her reputation. It all just seemed really hurtful. To me, there is a difference between offering support and concern versus damning the other party.

I may have seemed quick to draw my own conclusions during the 2 seconds that I have been on this forum. My apologies as I was not at all prepared for the sheer amount of negativity I would receive involving myself in this. I am completely new to this type of community as have since gained perspective from a few peers who are more well versed in online forums. They told me that forums are built for hostile venting, it’s why many people are here. I did not know this because I was expecting the type of people that you are describing, the wonderful, kind, supportive, intelligent, passionate, and friendly types.

I understand the great concern that this community has for the wellbeing of this breed, of course, this is a community is dedicated to Yorkies. I would expect no less from all of the members here. I can assure you that the breeder in question is not unethical in her breeding practices. She made one mistake in a moment of weakness and apparently that is all this community can tolerate.

I am sure that many members will continue to have responses about what I have just said. They will pull out sentences here and there to offer up their negative opinions on my texts. I fear posting anything else since it seems to just turn into an endless destructive cycle of one human being trying to put down another human being. That has been my experience thus far on the YorkieTalk forums and this first impression has left more than a sour taste in my mouth.

I hesitate to join in because I really dislike conflict on boards but you are well-spoken and seem intelligent, so I hope what I'm saying doesn't come across as an attack, that's not how I intend it. But I believe what is confusing everyone is you keep saying that the breeder should be allowed to share her side, and you keep being told that she is more than welcome to, so why isn't she here doing so? Is there another way that she is sharing her side? Is there a link that you can share with us, so we can see what she has to say about all of this?

I have to point out that those people being described are there. They're just not saying what you would like to hear. The OP posted about an experience she had, and the community jumped in to support her. They were kind to her, passionate about a possible wrong-doing and supportive.



Mistakes are natural, we're all human. It's the steps one takes to rectify the mistake that really matters. Is the breeder going to honor the contract? If so, that is what really matters to me.

I'm sorry you feel that way. If the breeder isn't going to honor the contract, then unfortunately, legal action should be taken. Contracts are legally binding, yes? It's not a personal attack, no one knows that breeder personally, except you. But when a business treats a customer like this, something should be done, so they can't do it to the next person. The bottom line is a puppy died. I know from experience how quickly you can fall in love with a dog, and it's traumatic to lose one. Steps need to be taken to ensure that this doesn't happen to someone else and save them from the heartbreak.

I looked at the breeders website and information that's out there in black and white led me to my conclusion that the breeder is not reputable, the buyers issues just adds icing to the cake. If the breeder honored her contract then there wouldn't be a post or a problem period.

Getting yourself banned for being disrespectful to a moderator is not the way to get your side of the story out and how your acting is just simply reflecting bad on the breeder.

Hmmmmmm if she is such a great breeder why is she breeding a female that is 3 pounds? Why are her prices way over what a reputable breeder would sell for? Advertising that she breeds tinies is just away of skating around the word teacup. Reputable breeders do not breed females under 5 pounds, reputable breeders do not breed for tinies they breed to the standard and for healthy puppies. So I beg to differ that she is a reputable breeder.

There we have it.....you are saying your friend, the breeder, should be forgiven yet SHE has yet to come here and share her side OR apologize for her mistake made in a "moment of weakness" as you call it. That has been a very long moment of weakness. I believe this incident occurred two years ago?? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

As for your comments about your friend being so ethical, if she indeed is breeding 3 - 4 pound yorkies, I have serious reservations. I believe after reading her website that she breeds for "tinies" aka "teacups" the latter of which she is not saying. BUT they are one and the same imho. You asked earlier for comments about her website: How about she stop marketing for the sale of tinies? If I were buying a yorkie, I would run from her website but that is because I know better than to buy from a breeder who breeds tiny yorkies. Sadly, no matter how much we try to educate people, they still look for teacup yorkies. :( Makes me sick that there is a demand for them and that there are breeders willing to fill that demand.

I am upset by your statement. I have always tried to see both sides of an argument. For you to make a generalization like this is an attack, the very thing that you are accusing others about. I joined this forum not to be bitter or hostile but because I purchased a puppy with health issues and congenital defects that I spent over 7 thousand dollars in medical expenses in the first year because of a breeder who did not care about what I and my dog suffered through because once they had their money I was nothing to them. YT members offered support and advice on how to seek proper medical treatment. What we are upset about is your friends business practices is how she handles difficult issues and honors her contract. She does not have to address us here on YT but she is honor bound to contact the people who purchased a puppy from her that died due to a congenital issue and help resolve the issue.
Yes in life there will be people who attack, who respond emotionally that happens in life and not just online forums. Everyone makes mistakes it is how we correct them that shows our true colors. I understand you protecting your friend I don't understand her not honoring a business contract and accusing the buyers of intentionally harming their dog or implying something was deceptive about their Vet and the autopsy. I agree people make mistakes and do deserve second chances but in order to deserve a second chance you must strive to correct your prior mistakes.

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Ya know? omg...as a PR person, I would certainly not hire her.....everrrrrrrr!

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What has me the most confused is why a breeder would need a social media representative? :confused:

They will pull out sentences here and there to offer up their negative opinions on my texts. I fear posting anything else since it seems to just turn into an endless destructive cycle of one human being trying to put down another human being. That has been my experience thus far on the YorkieTalk forums and this first impression has left more than a sour taste in my mouth.


It would seem you are not receptive to, nor are you 'hearing' what people are saying or you simply could not make the above statement. You make negative, blanket generalizations about Yorkie Forum members and then retreat to a pitiful, maligned innocent sole, beaten up by the big bad forum. And that just won't fly...Open your eyes and your mind and take a moment to digest what is being put forth---and how it's being done...For the most part, folks are being quite reasonable, patient, polite and are merely trying to understand and be understood. It would serve you well, overall, to take a breath and really listen.

I'm new to YT also, I have been reading this thread and it seems to me that any negativity you feel has all been brought on by yourself. If you would step back from the scene and look at it from both sides, then take into consideration as to how you would feel in the same boat as the puppy buyer, how would you want YT members to treat you. Would you be so insenced that you would want their sympathy and suggestions for help on the issue. Or would you prefer that someone like you are doing now come to the rescue of a Seller who is in fact not holding up to the Standards of a Reputable Breeder. For one I feel they need to report.

Hello
I'm new to yorike talk . Still looking and finding my way around .
I have 4 yorkies . Maggie May , Carson , Hollyberry , Becky
We are on long island Ny
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