Just can't do it any more!

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

Probably, but she did draw blood and she has done it before.. I cannot afford a trainer or an assessment. Who is Terry Ryan?

I don't know of any rescue called best friends, where is that located?

This is best freinds Best Friends Animal Society Home Page

They will take all dogs any time any day and before you go they are to far they will figure out a way to transport her.

And terry Ryan is a trainer and how do you intend on fixing this girl if you do not seek help from those that can train and know aggression. Unless your vet is part of small group of vets with behaviour all he is going to do is drug her into a daze and that is not a life and nothing will be fixed it will just be covered over.
If that is what is going to happen than it maybe in her best intrest to put her down.

I have said I will take her if you fill out the forms I sent you and I can see medical records that you currently have on her and will put her on a plane. I will meet it and her either in Kalispbel or Calgary. Air Alaska ships to both. West jet too. It is 100 dollars US to ship her so there you go that is the offer. But I need solid in writing signed off info so I know what I am getting and a vet report from a vet I can call and talk with.

But I need things in writing and some facts first so I know I can fix her.

JL

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

This is best freinds Best Friends Animal Society Home Page

They will take all dogs any time any day and before you go they are to far they will figure out a way to transport her.

And terry Ryan is a trainer and how do you intend on fixing this girl if you do not seek help from those that can train and know aggression. Unless your vet is part of small group of vets with behaviour all he is going to do is drug her into a daze and that is not a life and nothing will be fixed it will just be covered over.
If that is what is going to happen than it maybe in her best intrest to put her down.

I have said I will take her if you fill out the forms I sent you and I can see medical records that you currently have on her and will put her on a plane. I will meet it and her either in Kalispbel or Calgary. Air Alaska ships to both. West jet too. It is 100 dollars US to ship her so there you go that is the offer. But I need solid in writing signed off info so I know what I am getting and a vet report from a vet I can call and talk with.

But I need things in writing and some facts first so I know I can fix her.

JL

Then I can go to my troops plead the case and see if they are ok with me brining in a handful into our calm house.

JL

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

This is best freinds Best Friends Animal Society Home Page

They will take all dogs any time any day and before you go they are to far they will figure out a way to transport her.

And terry Ryan is a trainer and how do you intend on fixing this girl if you do not seek help from those that can train and know aggression. Unless your vet is part of small group of vets with behaviour all he is going to do is drug her into a daze and that is not a life and nothing will be fixed it will just be covered over.
If that is what is going to happen than it maybe in her best intrest to put her down.

I have said I will take her if you fill out the forms I sent you and I can see medical records that you currently have on her and will put her on a plane. I will meet it and her either in Kalispbel or Calgary. Air Alaska ships to both. West jet too. It is 100 dollars US to ship her so there you go that is the offer. But I need solid in writing signed off info so I know what I am getting and a vet report from a vet I can call and talk with.

But I need things in writing and some facts first so I know I can fix her.

JL

Ok I remember Terry Ryan, she is several hours from me. There are behaviorists closer to me. But as I have said before I cannot afford the fees for a behaviorist at this time, and my husband also had a fit about the cost and said no way.

I called my regular vet, he is out today but will call me in the morning. But Elaine (at the clinic) says there is a vet not to far that is also a behaviorist. So I will talk to him tomorrow (my reg. vet) and see what he suggests. He has never seen Mindy. She was seen by another vet at the clinic I took her to for the spay. They were the ones who recommended having her PTS.

My whole reason for seeking out a rescue was because I CANNOT fix her. It is putting my other dogs in danger and upheaval having her here, as well as people coming into my house. My other dogs are very stressed out by her and it isn't fair to them.

If I had known she was like this I would never have agreed to taking her in. We thought it was going to be very temporary until we found a home for her and here it is 6 months later and she is worse.

Also, it costs a lot more then 100.00 to ship a dog. It's almost 200.00 plus crate, and health certificate. It ends up being close to 300.00 or more.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

Then I can go to my troops plead the case and see if they are ok with me brining in a handful into our calm house.

JL

I don't think putting her in another situation with other dogs is a good idea. SHe just got a hold of my little yorkie Kizzie who is 3.5 pounds and shook her like a rag doll. Something is seriously wrong with this dog. I have her tethered to me right now, she got to my Kizzie while I was sending them out potty.

I do not understand this kind of behavior..She has NEVER went after Kizzie before. I really have my doubts that she is "fixable"

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

You and me both! No lawsuit, only like I said before they wanted us to pay the ER bill, the rest was all talk.

I tried several times to get this woman at the rescue to call me but she didn't and wouldn't give me her number so I have no idea what exactly she meant..

Well she drew blood and thats all they have to do to be tagged "vicious" it's stupid.. But they did not call AC I know that, even though they threatened it.

I don't think they read the thread, only went by what Jodi told them and she had not read the 2nd page yet so she didn't know

I'm just getting home from work now and I'm not sure what has happened at this point. On Tuesday I received a confirmation email from the rescue that they were making arrangement to pick her up on Saturday. A surrender form was sent to Karla and I was CC on the email. Now I'm told "there is more to this story" and they are stepping away. So I have to assume that more conversation has gone on that I am not aware of. I linked all the information to the thread in the email and they agreed to take her after reading what had been said so it is a total mystery to me.

I was not aware of a lawsuit or animal control being called. If that is the case then Mindy would be in the care of then at this point.

Maybe MotherYorkie can help you get the help that she needs but there really is nothing more that I can do. If you sell and ship puppies on a regular basis you know way more about shipping a dog then I do. If MY is willing to help connect you with a behaviorist then I suggest you take her up on the offer and ship her to where ever need be.

When you take in rescues you are making a commitment to that animal to do whatever it takes emotionally and financially. When individuals try to do it privately without the backing of an organization it makes it more difficult but a commitment was made. If you and your husband is are not willing to ship her maybe the guy who gave her to you will help with the shipping. This is all part of responsible pet ownership.

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I'm just getting home from work now and I'm not sure what has happened at this point. On Tuesday I received a confirmation email from the rescue that they were making arrangement to pick her up on Saturday. A surrender form was sent to Karla and I was CC on the email. Now I'm told "there is more to this story" and they are stepping away. So I have to assume that more conversation has gone on that I am not aware of. I linked all the information to the thread in the email and they agreed to take her after reading what had been said so it is a total mystery to me.

I was not aware of a lawsuit or animal control being called. If that is the case then Mindy would be in the care of then at this point.

Maybe MotherYorkie can help you get the help that she needs but there really is nothing more that I can do. If you sell and ship puppies on a regular basis you know way more about shipping a dog then I do. If MY is willing to help connect you with a behaviorist then I suggest you take her up on the offer and ship her to where ever need be.

When you take in rescues you are making a commitment to that animal to do whatever it takes emotionally and financially. When individuals try to do it privately without the backing of an organization it makes it more difficult but a commitment was made. If you and your husband is are not willing to ship her maybe the guy who gave her to you will help with the shipping. This is all part of responsible pet ownership.

How come people do not read the entire thread? The same day I posted about Mindy I came back and answered some questions.. I never said I was being sued!!!!! I never said animal control was called. I was concerned they would be by the family of the kid who got bit because they threatened it.

I tried 4 different times to get this rescue to call me so i could talk to them, they never did! I wrote the last time asking about the home she would be staying with and mentioned about the threats of being sued in that email.

I wanted to make sure they could actually help her, and how they would do that. these are all easy questions but instead she tells me they WONT take her.

I took her back 2 times when the placements did not work out, I didn't have to. so I think I have been pretty committed to Mindy, I have a responsibility to my dogs who I have had since pups and they come first.

yep I shouldn't of taken Mindy, and I wouldn't have if I had known she was like this. Get Miko to pay for airfare or whatever? Ya right, like that is going to happen..Don't forget this guy lied to us about Mindy so we would take her.

Just because I breed sometimes doesn't mean I have any extra money. We have already put a lot of time and money into Mindy. I cannot do it any more. Do I pay my 400.00 power bill or ship Mindy? hmm gee

Why wont this rescue take her now? Did they not know she attacks other dogs and people? That is the same rescue I contacted before on my own who ignored my pleas for help...

I am too stressed an upset to write any more so I am signing off and taking a break for a few days..

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

How come people do not read the entire thread? The same day I posted about Mindy I came back and answered some questions.. I never said I was being sued!!!!! I never said animal control was called. I was concerned they would be by the family of the kid who got bit because they threatened it.

I tried 4 different times to get this rescue to call me so i could talk to them, they never did! I wrote the last time asking about the home she would be staying with and mentioned about the threats of being sued in that email.

I wanted to make sure they could actually help her, and how they would do that. these are all easy questions but instead she tells me they WONT take her.

I took her back 2 times when the placements did not work out, I didn't have to. so I think I have been pretty committed to Mindy, I have a responsibility to my dogs who I have had since pups and they come first.

yep I shouldn't of taken Mindy, and I wouldn't have if I had known she was like this. Get Miko to pay for airfare or whatever? Ya right, like that is going to happen..Don't forget this guy lied to us about Mindy so we would take her.

Just because I breed sometimes doesn't mean I have any extra money. We have already put a lot of time and money into Mindy. I cannot do it any more. Do I pay my 400.00 power bill or ship Mindy? hmm gee

Why wont this rescue take her now? Did they not know she attacks other dogs and people? That is the same rescue I contacted before on my own who ignored my pleas for help...

I am too stressed an upset to write any more so I am signing off and taking a break for a few days..

Here is the email that I got from you were you quote Laura:

Karla,
This is the first I’ve heard about a lawsuit and animal control.
We won’t be taking Mindy with these risks tied to her. I think it wise you speak with your vet.
Laura
PUP

There you go............you told her that animal control and a lawsuit were involved and this is why they are not taking her. But now you say that is not what was said.

Obviously there was some conversation between you and her or they would not have said the above. They had to have been given the above from you since she wouldn't even tell me what was said or a reason why. Something is not right about this entire thing.

People who volunteer with rescues are lied to all the time. We are told all kinds of tales when we take surrenders. They are the story that the owners "think" we want to hear so they are able to get rid of their problem. Then we find out later what the real story is and deal with it as we go. There are no excuses when this happens or for that matter finger pointing. It's dealt with and we send the money to fix the problems because it is a commitment that we made to the dog. Sometimes it takes thousands of dollars and months or even years............maybe never. I think you might have learned a very hard lesson by taking in something that turned out to be very much larger then you were prepared to deal with and that is unfortunate for Mindy.

Wow if your electric bill is $400 you better check to see if all your neighbors are plugged into your house too

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

How come people do not read the entire thread? The same day I posted about Mindy I came back and answered some questions.. I never said I was being sued!!!!! I never said animal control was called. I was concerned they would be by the family of the kid who got bit because they threatened it.

I tried 4 different times to get this rescue to call me so i could talk to them, they never did! I wrote the last time asking about the home she would be staying with and mentioned about the threats of being sued in that email.

I wanted to make sure they could actually help her, and how they would do that. these are all easy questions but instead she tells me they WONT take her.

I took her back 2 times when the placements did not work out, I didn't have to. so I think I have been pretty committed to Mindy, I have a responsibility to my dogs who I have had since pups and they come first.

yep I shouldn't of taken Mindy, and I wouldn't have if I had known she was like this. Get Miko to pay for airfare or whatever? Ya right, like that is going to happen..Don't forget this guy lied to us about Mindy so we would take her.

Just because I breed sometimes doesn't mean I have any extra money. We have already put a lot of time and money into Mindy. I cannot do it any more. Do I pay my 400.00 power bill or ship Mindy? hmm gee

Why wont this rescue take her now? Did they not know she attacks other dogs and people? That is the same rescue I contacted before on my own who ignored my pleas for help...

I am too stressed an upset to write any more so I am signing off and taking a break for a few days..

Karla you are getting you facts mixed up. You posted your original thread in the rescue forum on Monday 5/24 @

Then you started this thread on Monday 5/24 @ 8:38 pm and didn't come back and update until the following day Tuesday @ 3;25 pm. You DID NOT mention anything about lawsuits and ER visit or anything of the sort until post # 22 almost 24 hours later.

I linked all of your posts previously for the rescue to read. Here is the email that I sent her:

From: Jodi Pilles [mailto:sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:25 PM
To: laura@.com
Subject: Re: Help needed Yorkie to be PTS 5/24 by owner

Let me send you a link to all of the information that she has posted over the past 2 months so that you can get a better idea of what has been going on with this dog. Personally, I think it is the enviornment that she is in that is causing the issues more then anything. She is in a house that is full of animals and breeding females, puppies, kids, male friends coming and going, just too much activity for what this dog is capable of being exposed to. While this woman has had her she has been rehomed and returned 2 times. Here is all of the information that we have. I so hope that you can help.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...y-age-2-a.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/tra...-any-more.html

On Monday 5/24 at 10:36 pm I got an email agreeing to take her. YOU POSTED the following day that she had bit an 18 your old and about animal control and lawsuits. You cannot turn this around on me and say otherwise. It's all here in black and white.

At this point there is nothing more that I can do to help. Your story is ever changing and I am thousands of miles away. I hope that YorkieMother is able to help you and get this dog into a rescue. This entire thing is nothing but a huge mess and a poor dog is tangled up within it.

[YorkieMother]

"Ok I remember Terry Ryan, she is several hours from me. There are behaviorists closer to me. But as I have said before I cannot afford the fees for a behaviorist at this time, and my husband also had a fit about the cost and said no way.

I called my regular vet, he is out today but will call me in the morning. But Elaine (at the clinic) says there is a vet not to far that is also a behaviorist. So I will talk to him tomorrow (my reg. vet) and see what he suggests. He has never seen Mindy. She was seen by another vet at the clinic I took her to for the spay. They were the ones who recommended having her PTS.

My whole reason for seeking out a rescue was because I CANNOT fix her. It is putting my other dogs in danger and upheaval having her here, as well as people coming into my house. My other dogs are very stressed out by her and it isn't fair to them.

If I had known she was like this I would never have agreed to taking her in. We thought it was going to be very temporary until we found a home for her and here it is 6 months later and she is worse.

Also, it costs a lot more then 100.00 to ship a dog. It's almost 200.00 plus crate, and health certificate. It ends up being close to 300.00 or more."


Call Best Freinds and get her placed there.

I do not want to hear they are full or they do not take aggression or they will not come get her arrange a pick up.

Cause I know they do and will and have all over the World.

My offer is off the table and oh a kennel her size would have to be gold plated ok maybe only silver to be 100.00 as our 400 that I bought for our 90 pounder was $78 at walmart in Wash. state the last time we had to pick one up.

Health cert. is around 50. We fly all the time all the time so the costs are well know.

If you had filled in the form and got to me with the vet number you may have been amazed at what would have happened next. I not willing to continue.
I have one that make yours look easy and she is 8 years old and happy and alive. I have CGN a dog that should have been put down.
So that leaves me open for an owner that is serious about helping their dog.


JL

[dwerten]

i do not know much about all this even though i have a rescue myself but how about Dogtown. I watch that show all the time and they fly all over and they took in Michael Vick's dogs. I think they are tied to rescue below Best Friends

Did you call them Karla?

Best Friends Animal Society - Contact Us

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by dwerten

i do not know much about all this even though i have a rescue myself but how about Dogtown. I watch that show all the time and they fly all over and they took in Michael Vick's dogs. I think they are tied to rescue below Best Friends

Did you call them Karla?

Best Friends Animal Society - Contact Us

That is who Best Friends. Dog towns actual name is Best friends.
I have suggested it more then once, today.


Ok logging off cause I have dogs that need my love that I can actually help.

JL

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

That is who Best Friends. Dog towns actual name is Best friends.
I have suggested it more then once!!!!!!!!


JL

has she called them yet? I think they may be the best bet and that place looks awesome at least on tv it does anyway.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by dwerten

has she called them yet? I think they may be the best bet and that place looks awesome at least on tv it does anyway.

I do not know. Everything that is placed in front of her has a Problem and while I can understand the stress of it.

At this point they are that dogs only hope.

I am stepping away.

JL

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

I do not know. Everything that is placed in front of her has a Problem and while I can understand the stress of it.

At this point they are that dogs only hope.

I am stepping away.

JL

yeah i think she might be overwhelmed and she cares about her so maybe it is hard to give her up too so hopefully she can call dogtown and see what her options are. It sounds like a very tough situation there so hopefully with this information Karla can get some help.

Hang in there Karla but I think this Dogtown place is pretty incredible and not too far either as it is in Utah. I think they will be able to help her there as they have a whole team of people dedicated to the animals well being. Have you watched the show? If not check it out they are amazing people

[mommadog1]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Here is the email that I got from you were you quote Laura:



There you go............you told her that animal control and a lawsuit were involved and this is why they are not taking her. But now you say that is not what was said.

Obviously there was some conversation between you and her or they would not have said the above. They had to have been given the above from you since she wouldn't even tell me what was said or a reason why. Something is not right about this entire thing.

People who volunteer with rescues are lied to all the time. We are told all kinds of tales when we take surrenders. They are the story that the owners "think" we want to hear so they are able to get rid of their problem. Then we find out later what the real story is and deal with it as we go. There are no excuses when this happens or for that matter finger pointing. It's dealt with and we send the money to fix the problems because it is a commitment that we made to the dog. Sometimes it takes thousands of dollars and months or even years............maybe never. I think you might have learned a very hard lesson by taking in something that turned out to be very much larger then you were prepared to deal with and that is unfortunate for Mindy.

Wow if your electric bill is $400 you better check to see if all your neighbors are plugged into your house too

HUH?? I never said there was a suit or that AC had been card.. read again please.. I said I was THREATENED....i did not lie, I am not a liar and you calling me one has ticked me off!

I have a copy of the email I sent to her and Bernadette as She only wrote me twice, never more then a few words. Never asked me about Mindy, never gave me her number, nor called me when I gave her mine.. I that really weird! Something just not right as you want to say about me.

Actually the lesson I have learned is never to come here and ask for help. EVER...

dont know about where you live but was state is very high for power among other things. 400 for 2 months is nothing!!