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08-17-2009, 02:04 PM | #1 |
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| It's official, Kaji has seperation anxiety I had a feeling he was stressed when I would leave, but now I know for sure. I have bought a kong to use and plan on giving him his breakfast in it (kibble with yogurt frozed near the opening to really give him something to work for) when I have to leave in the morning. I had no idea he could be so messy. His worst was last Friday. I had to leave twice that day, once for a 9:30 appointment, and the second time for a 12:30 appointment. I left at 9 am and came back at 11 and he seemed fine. He had his onesie on so as not to lick his neuter area. I left him in his expen with food, water, his bed and all his things and a fan on because the loft can get warm. When I came back he was happy to see me and only had one little spot of pee on his onesie. No biggie! I washed it, dried it, had lunch accompanied by my two furry friends, Kaji and my roommate's dog Danger, and then got ready to head out to my last appointment. I thought if I left him with Danger, his furry friend, maybe he would be ok, and not miss me as much. So I dressed him up in his belly band and onesie, so neither dog licks his neuter area, closed off areas of the house they could potentially get in trouble in and went on my way. My appointment was incredibly short and I was back in about 40 mins. I walk in to smell poo and pee. Kaji had pooed in his onesie (something I thought he would never do), and he had drenched the belly band (it was so much pee the pad I put in there couldn't contain it all) and his onesie. He was happy to see me but scared and confused at the same time. I had no choice but to bathe him since he smelled horrible. On my way to my parents house, he was quiet and acting normal, when he decided to sit on my lap. I usually don't allow it but I did that day. Two seconds later, he peed on my lap. I thought there would be no way he would pee any more since he had just soaked the pad, belly band and onesie so I thought I was safe until his afternoon walk after all the goodies my dad would give him. That was a nasty surprise. I dropped off my pee drenched puppy at my parents and when off to buy doggie shampoo (the pee got all over the place), nature's miracle to clean my car seat, and a kong which I was sure I was going to need eventually. I also called the vet and asked her if she thought it was a possibilitySince then he has had 3 more accidents inside. One in the kitchen on Friday after I stepped out to grab something from the car, another Saturday morning, and the last one today after I stepped out again. Sorry for the rant but I really needed to get it off my chest. Any advice?
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08-17-2009, 02:10 PM | #2 |
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| Oh! And all weekend I have been trying to get Kaji to associate the Kong with good things. I have been giving him his favorite treat, pieces of cheese. He's getting the hang of it.
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08-17-2009, 03:15 PM | #3 |
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| Advice please! I'd like to know what I should be doing, if I'm going about it the wrong way or something. Please?
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08-17-2009, 03:36 PM | #4 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | Joey had a few set backs after neutering, and I've read this is really common. I'm not sure why you think this is separation anxiety. I had a rehomed dog with it, and he literally tore the house or car apart if he was left alone, he wasn't attached to any one person, you could hire a babysitter and he was fine, but leaving him alone was terrifying for him. You say he seem fine when you get home, and you are thinking it's anxiety because of the pooping or peeing, but I think this could be related to the neutering. To test for anxiety, you can film your dog while you are away. My suggestion is to wait a week and see if he improves on his own with his potty habits, he may associate the car ride with the trip the vet.
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08-17-2009, 03:47 PM | #5 | |
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And the only other person he's ok with is my mom because apparently she sounds like me. He hears her voice coming from another room and runs over to see if it's me. At least that's what I've been told.
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08-17-2009, 05:36 PM | #6 | |
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08-17-2009, 09:25 PM | #7 |
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| I thought it was unusual because he came from a home with lots of other doggies, and for him to make such a huge mess of himself when he wasn't completely alone has me baffled. He's comfortable around Danger when I'm there, I did have to teach him to have a little self control (through repitition) but otherwise these two get along nicely. I've heard him cry and whimper when I leave him alone upstairs, but what I try to do is not reappear until I hear he is quiet and I make him sit nicely for me before I let him out of his expen. He knows now that he has to sit and wait to be invited out before he can roam around. He's 1 yr old, so he's not a puppy that needs to much training. He just had a problem with leg lifting, or marking, in a house that smells like another dog. He's so smart too... in a few days he understood no leg lifting inside, because I watched him closely and corrected him (clap to interrupt followed by a "NO") everytime I saw him try to lift his leg. But at home with my parents, there are no other dogs so he never even tried to lift his leg. This was the weekend immediately after his neuter. He peed and pooed nicely when I took him outside just like a pro. I think what has me confused is the part where he seems fine when alone yet when he was with the other dog he was a mess. Plus, when I called the vet to check in case he had a UTI, she said it definitely sounded like seperation anxiety. Should I not leave him alone with the other dog? Was the other dog's company more harm than good? Am I being a neurotic new mom?
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08-18-2009, 08:42 AM | #8 | |
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08-18-2009, 02:21 PM | #9 |
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| How's this for my new modified plan. I leave him with his Kong filled with his favorite treat, small pieces of cheese (it really isn't a lot) before I head out so he's a bit distracted. Then when I come back I wait for at least one whole minute of silence before heading upstairs (it's super hard not to go up there and pick him up ) then 5 mins of ignoring him once I'm physically in the same room as he is. What do you think Nancy, good plan? Oh, and I think the vet's exact words were "he was mad at you so he peed and pooed himself, then peed on you in the car."
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08-18-2009, 03:00 PM | #10 | |
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Your new plan sounds good, but I want to remind you than when you get home, you don't have to wait 5 minutes, it will seem like a long time to you, and may be five minutes, but it's probably less. I'm telling you its agonizing, and you will feel like the worse mommy in the world, but keep telling yourself it is for his own good, and he'll be less anxious when you are gone. I usually go in the kitchen a fuss around, and when he stops jumping up on me and settles down, that's when I give him the attention, so you are rewarding his calm behavior with your attention. When they jump up, don't forget to turn your back to them. I don't even say no, I think that might cause him to bark, and get more anxious. If your are good at this, he might settle down within 30 seconds, and you can pet or give a treat, but don't fuss too much and, no eye contact until he composes himself.
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08-18-2009, 03:13 PM | #11 |
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| Not sure that is sepration anxiety but rather a dog that is over bonded and needs some self confidence. Rather think that working an appropriate desenstization program for sepratation anxiety be a good idea. There are a few good ones if you google search. Plus you need to look into him getting comfortable in short amounts of time with other humans...no easy but it will help. JL
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08-18-2009, 03:22 PM | #12 |
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| My reasoning behing the plan is when he is upstairs in the loft he can hear everything that's going on downstairs, like if I'm talking to Danger cuddling him or whatever. That usually drives Kaji mad because he can hear me but he can't see me. That's why I wait a minute before going upstairs. Once he is no longer pacing, breathing heavy, or yipping I calmly walk upstairs and go about my business. Once he sees me he usually jumps up and down in his pen, that's why I incorporated the 5 min of no eye contact or going up to him to cuddle. All that jumping, pacing, and yipping really tires him out. YT Pic 3.jpg Sorry for the play by play, but I want to make sure I am doing right by my boy. You're a great asset Nancy I really thank you for the help.
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08-18-2009, 03:27 PM | #13 | |
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Oh, we will be going to a meetup this Friday and some other YT members are going too!!
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08-18-2009, 03:28 PM | #14 |
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| Separation Anxiety | The Humane Society of the United States Separation Anxiety Separation anxiety is a serious emotional state in which a dog becomes anxious and panicked when his owner is absent. The physical manifestations of it have been compared to a panic attack in humans. Typical symptoms are vocalization, destructive behavior or self-mutilation, physical manifestations (panting, drooling, sweaty paw pads, dilated pupils, trembling), breaking of housetraining, and anorexic behavior. The anxiety begins to build during the owner’s departure ritual and the symptoms occur within the first minutes after departure. Shelter dogs are at an increased risk for developing separation anxiety. They have had bonded relationships with humans in the past which have been severed and so they may likely bond more strongly in subsequent human relationships. In addition, it may have been the animal’s separation anxiety that brought about her surrender to the shelter in the first place. While any dog can conceivably develop separation anxiety, it occurs more frequently with dogs who are particularly affiliative toward humans – “soft”, bondy dogs.
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08-18-2009, 03:31 PM | #15 | |
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