It's official, Kaji has seperation anxiety

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

I go to my parent's house every weekend. That's 4 new faces he sees every week. We've only been there 3 weekends and he's starting to come around. This last weekend he didn't need to be right by me every second. He wandered off to see what my dad was doing in his office, what my mom was doing in the kitchen (and see if he could "puppy dog eye" her into giving him a treat), and then see what my brothers were doing. When satisfied he'd come looking for me and if I wasn't in the house he would pee, or pee soon after I came back. First I want him to be comfortable with them as he will be seeing them often, and from there I'll start incorporating new people.
Oh, we will be going to a meetup this Friday and some other YT members are going too!!

When you are with the new people or your family have them do the feeding and the petting and the letting in and out.
He needs to learn to trust others so it not only seprataion anixety which is partly over bonding but true over bonding. oh oh not a bad thing if you have a dog with fear concerns at all ever.. so not a critizem.. have I said yet that I still have one at my house. we have worked through her concerns and now can stay with others and feel ok.

Sepration anxiety is being left behind alone. over bondng is painc even when others are around so it a two fold thing not part and parcel as many think.
Blow by blow reports are good.
If he gets to the point he can not eat or is wreaking things you need a someone hands on to help not us as we ca nnot help with drugs and seeing what he is saying in body language either.

JL

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Oh, and I think the vet's exact words were "he was mad at you so he peed and pooed himself, then peed on you in the car."

That vet, I am sorry to say is a fool. Dogs do not have that part of the brain that is able to fuction at that level of thinking.
We are asigning feelings that science does not have to ability to prove.
They do not have a large enough frontal lobe to think in this manner.
Vet or the regular kind do not get but one lecture on behaviour in school and are there for clueless and need to shh unless they specialize and or are specializing in behaviour.

JL

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

That vet, I am sorry to say is a fool. Dogs do not have that part of the brain that is able to fuction at that level of thinking.
We are asigning feelings that science does not have to ability to prove.
They do not have a large enough frontal lobe to think in this manner.
Vet or the regular kind do not get but one lecture on behaviour in school and are there for clueless and need to shh unless they specialize and or are specializing in behaviour.

JL

I figured as much. It's like people doctors and nutrition, some don't know anthing about nutrition.
Well, I'm off to take Kaji to a doggie park. He really loves to run around with the other doggies!!

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

I figured as much. It's like people doctors and nutrition, some don't know anthing about nutrition.
Well, I'm off to take Kaji to a doggie park. He really loves to run around with the other doggies!!

Enjoy the play time wish my brat girl could do that with yours she can not manage other dogs noe other strange humans.

JL

[DvlshAngel985]

Doggie park = one tired puppy. Silly dog ran straight for an opening to the big dog section. He walked right through a tiny opening between the gate doors and the rest of the fence.

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[DvlshAngel985]

Just to let you two know that it's not all bad in Kajiville. I am re-training him to go pee and poo outside, and since silly me always runs out the door without a special treat I have to improvise with tons of praise. It seems to be working. After our little "pee pee party" Kaji tends to strut with his tail held high.

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Just to let you two know that it's not all bad in Kajiville. I am re-training him to go pee and poo outside, and since silly me always runs out the door without a special treat I have to improvise with tons of praise. It seems to be working. After our little "pee pee party" Kaji tends to strut with his tail held high.

That is a great idea pee party. Proves that it is not just treats a dogwill work for.
Keep up the good work.

JL

[DvlshAngel985]

Well, I'm puzzled now. Kaji will not walk out the front door, I don't know why but he won't. He'll come downstairs with me then watch me walk out. When I call him he quickly turns around and jets back upstairs. Once I get up there he is sitting by my bed and when I get close he lies on his back. When I reach down to pick him up because he needs to get out to potty, he dribbles pee. He did it three times today. Once before his mid-day walk, and twice before his before bed walk. The second one right now dribbled all over his belly. This is a fairly new behavior and it has me baffled. It only happens if I let him walk downstairs as we're heading out. If I carry him down and all the way outside, he's able to hold it long enough to pee outside. I thought I was seeing things for a few days but now I'm sure, I saw the stream when I picked him up all three times today.
My roommate was helping me show him that walking out the door is good. And he was getting the hang of it, too, when he ran back upstairs and then he peed (not dribbled but a small puddle). He knew he did something wrong because he cowered and hid under my desk.
Am I doing something to scare him?

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Well, I'm puzzled now. Kaji will not walk out the front door, I don't know why but he won't. He'll come downstairs with me then watch me walk out. When I call him he quickly turns around and jets back upstairs. Once I get up there he is sitting by my bed and when I get close he lies on his back. When I reach down to pick him up because he needs to get out to potty, he dribbles pee. He did it three times today. Once before his mid-day walk, and twice before his before bed walk. The second one right now dribbled all over his belly. This is a fairly new behavior and it has me baffled. It only happens if I let him walk downstairs as we're heading out. If I carry him down and all the way outside, he's able to hold it long enough to pee outside. I thought I was seeing things for a few days but now I'm sure, I saw the stream when I picked him up all three times today.
My roommate was helping me show him that walking out the door is good. And he was getting the hang of it, too, when he ran back upstairs and then he peed (not dribbled but a small puddle). He knew he did something wrong because he cowered and hid under my desk.
Am I doing something to scare him?

I say yes on him being scared. You got what I say is sudmission peeing.
Ok now we work through it.
Fisrt shelf the guilt that you cause this. You did the best you could with the info given from lay people in training and what worked for thier dogs. It is what t is and you move slowly forward from here.

I am not going to go back through posts to try and find the clue to busy but you can list point form the steps you have done so far and we will see if we can get this sorted out.
From here though lets go slow really slow.
If you want help and if not the best course of action is a proper PHD and or DVM with behaviour to see if they can fix this.

JL

[YorkieMother]

OK suggested made by someone else check for a UTI.

I need a lot more detail to try and put the puzzle together but if you are thinking fear it usually is.

So we can take this to PM and work through it or we can chat here which ever you are most comfortable with.

JL

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by YorkieMother

I say yes on him being scared. You got what I say is sudmission peeing.
Ok now we work through it.
Fisrt shelf the guilt that you cause this. You did the best you could with the info given from lay people in training and what worked for thier dogs. It is what t is and you move slowly forward from here.

I am not going to go back through posts to try and find the clue to busy but you can list point form the steps you have done so far and we will see if we can get this sorted out.
From here though lets go slow really slow.
If you want help and if not the best course of action is a proper PHD and or DVM with behaviour to see if they can fix this.

JL

Do you want me to point by point the last 3 weeks, or point by point the way I have gone about correcting him?

[DvlshAngel985]

Oh, and I have a question/comment.
I thought submissive pee would always happen, like he's always scared of me. Most of the time he's my little cuddle bug, asks to be let up on furniture, and always sits by me. I probably pick him up a million times a day, and sometimes when he's on his back. No pee. But when I try to get him to go outside, and he comes down but won't go out then he runs back upstairs, that's when the pee happens, and only then. I don't pick him up mad, I just tell him what a silly boy he is, pick him up and probably sneak in a few kisses. Is it still submissive pee?

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Do you want me to point by point the last 3 weeks, or point by point the way I have gone about correcting him?

I think we should try to go point for point around the way that you have gone about correcting him and then see what we can see.
I may just PM erin to get her to come have a look too she may see things with a fresh eye and a clearer brain. Alway good for me to ahve someone that I can go are you seeing as two brains are better then one.
So going to go PM erin and see if she around.

"Oh, and I have a question/comment.
I thought submissive pee would always happen, like he's always scared of me. Most of the time he's my little cuddle bug, asks to be let up on furniture, and always sits by me. I probably pick him up a million times a day, and sometimes when he's on his back. No pee. But when I try to get him to go outside, and he comes down but won't go out then he runs back upstairs, that's when the pee happens, and only then. I don't pick him up mad, I just tell him what a silly boy he is, pick him up and probably sneak in a few kisses. Is it still submissive pee?"

I would say yes as it a stress responce.
when relaxed and interacting from his comfort zone he is ok and does not pee but the second he understands he about to be asked to go out and pee that thing and I am only right now assuming gets things to a higher level of stress he ramps himself up and pees...oh and he can not help it he can try and try but he got no ability to control it.

So pull together what you have done and what you may have seen him do in repsonce and lets see if we can get this sorted out.

For now low key and if he has accidents remove him as calm as you can and clean up without him seeing and stay mellow as you can.
Deep breath as much as you can and speak soft and low when you need to move him.
Instead of asking to go out if you can just carry him out and do it matter of fact and no excitement or fuss.
We are going to back up and slow it down a ton. I even ignore his peeing when he is outside for now as if he stressing over the to much yippy you went outside that may be the trigger... yup I know these guys are intresting.
Trust me if I get to the point I not thinking we are making head way I shut this down and send you for handson help. There is only so much I can do over the net and it is not a grat way at all to train as you can not see the dogs responce at all. So Slow very slow.

JL

[chachi]

I saw a good episode of its me or the dog where a dog was submissive peeing when his owner came in the house after work. Anyway the owner would lavish attention on the dog when he came in and the dog would pee. She had the owner go in the house maybe give the dog a quick pat but for the most part ignore him and the dog didnt pee. I know your situation is different than this but I think you need to think about what you do with him right before he pees and change it up

[YorkieMother]

Originally Posted by chachi

I saw a good episode of its me or the dog where a dog was submissive peeing when his owner came in the house after work. Anyway the owner would lavish attention on the dog when he came in and the dog would pee. She had the owner go in the house maybe give the dog a quick pat but for the most part ignore him and the dog didnt pee. I know your situation is different than this but I think you need to think about what you do with him right before he pees and change it up

That is a great thought but lets hang on switching anything until we see first that whole picture. We do not want to change to much until we get a step by step plan so that we know what is working and not change everything and not see what fised it.
I want to pull the stress leve lout of the rafters just by packing him outside not asking him to go out to start.

Lets remeber though to add this into the mix.

JL