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BamaFan121s · 01-28-2010, 04:58 PM

I prefer a docked tail. If I were looking for a pup, I would probably pass on it if the tail were not docked.

kpstoybox · 01-28-2010, 09:33 PM

I own both Biewers and Yorkies and MUCH prefer the docked tail.

clm56 · 01-29-2010, 12:25 AM

~I also prefer the docked tail, but not too short, just enough to cover the butt. Personally I've never seen a full tail on a yorkie. If I had somebody ask me not to dock, than I would give them what they want, and of course dock the rest.

Brooklynn · 01-29-2010, 08:46 AM

I would dock all my puppies tails as when they are born and when I dock them I can't tell at 3 days old what will stay in my home as a show dog and what will go as a pet. I conform to the standard and at 3 days old I just can't tell you which one would be considered pet quality so I would have to dock the tails. This is not to say I don't mind an undocked tail but as long as I breed and show all my puppies will have docked tails even if someone were to ask me to keep a tail.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

yorkieusa · 01-29-2010, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bchgirl

We have tails and no tails here and I still admit to loving seeing a stub tail wag.

I know what you mean. So cute.

I'm glad I'm not the one who has to do this though.

ARCHIE · 01-29-2010, 10:24 AM

Standard or not I like the full tail and wish they would allow it.
I think it's plain cruel to put a puppy thro such trama just to
please those who say it's standard! Just my honest opinion.

Britster · 01-29-2010, 11:20 AM

I like full tail.

magicgenie · 01-29-2010, 11:55 AM

I have several lovely European import dogs with their full tails, which I feel enhance their beauty and expression. Even though the written standard in the US still calls for a docked tail, in actual practice it is left to the judge's discretion to accept or dismiss an undocked dog. It is my understanding that it is extremely rare to dismiss a dog for this, and I have seen Yorkies with full tails win at conformation shows. Depending on my mood I sometimes leave tails on. I have a puppy now that I may go ahead and show with his full tail.

brendah · 01-29-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by magicgenie

I have several lovely European import dogs with their full tails, which I feel enhance their beauty and expression. Even though the written standard in the US still calls for a docked tail, in actual practice it is left to the judge's discretion to accept or dismiss an undocked dog. It is my understanding that it is extremely rare to dismiss a dog for this, and I have seen Yorkies with full tails win at conformation shows. Depending on my mood I sometimes leave tails on. I have a puppy now that I may go ahead and show with his full tail.

I would love for updates and your puppy being shown with a full tail.

nsyorkies · 01-30-2010, 08:14 PM

My vet says that it will be illegal to dock tails in Canada in the near future. As it is in Europe. He points out that it is purely cosmetic and very painful and traumatic for puppies! It is not like Yorkies are still chasing rats and need it to be removed/docked for health and safety! I don't know HOW people/breeders do it! I pay to have it done, but leave the vet's office so I can't hear the pups scream! I don't feel good about it at all!

I do not dock if a client requests. More and more people/clients are asking about it, so maybe it will be outlawed soon.

I look forward to the day!! I do not have the de-claws removed anymore, because same vet says in small dogs it is unnecessary.We have not had any problems so far!

mommadog1 · 01-30-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nsyorkies

My vet says that it will be illegal to dock tails in Canada in the near future. As it is in Europe. He points out that it is purely cosmetic and very painful and traumatic for puppies! It is not like Yorkies are still chasing rats and need it to be removed/docked for health and safety! I don't know HOW people/breeders do it! I pay to have it done, but leave the vet's office so I can't hear the pups scream! I don't feel good about it at all!

I do not dock if a client requests. More and more people/clients are asking about it, so maybe it will be outlawed soon.

I look forward to the day!! I do not have the de-claws removed anymore, because same vet says in small dogs it is unnecessary.We have not had any problems so far!

I couldn't agree more!! I think that Eventually it will be illegal in the US as well. I know they are trying

BamaFan121s · 01-31-2010, 07:58 AM

I'm sure that it *can* be very painful and traumatic for them if it's not done properly. When I had my last litter done, they were 3 days old and three of the four never even woke up.

So if it was "tramatic," they slept right through it and never knew.

I always find those types of comments very comical given that my experiences with docking have been so different.

livingdustmops · 01-31-2010, 08:39 AM

I think these Yorkies are stunning with their tails and when they walk in the ring it must be incredible to see:

...::: Welcome to Yorky Club :::...

I love the full tail....

diane boden · 01-31-2010, 10:39 AM

The majority of yorkies over here now have natural tails, though some breeders do get around it by regestering their litters with the Irish kennel club. The docked tail does look smarter, but I must admit I did find it traumatic seeing it done and spent alot of time agonising over weather to dock or not. Unfortunatly to start with some judges were very biased against full tails when they banned breeders docking and left it to vets. Now with the ban its a more open competition which is why I'm looking at getting back into the ring in the hopefully near future.

TatumsMom · 01-31-2010, 12:54 PM

I prefer a docked tail but that's not really your question. I believe if you have one already spoken for, the new owner should be able to choose what they want. This past summer we had a litter of Australian Shepherds. The standard on them also is to dock the tails. Right at birth, one was spoken for by a lady in Germany. It's the standard there NOT to dock tails. She specifically asked for that one to not be docked so we only did all the others. She did end up choosing a second one also and I was concerned about the tail already being docked but she said (if I remember right) that it's not "illegal" to dock them, just not "preferred" and that she was fine with it. I guess you have to be to spend that much on travel to come get them plus the cost of the pups. :-) If you have a deposit on the "undocked" one, I think it's just fine to go with their wishes.

01-28-2010, 09:33 PM	#17
kpstoybox Do you like Parti's?" Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,337	I own both Biewers and Yorkies and MUCH prefer the docked tail. __________________ Karen and the PartiTime Kids There's always a parti at my house!

01-29-2010, 08:46 AM	#19
Brooklynn Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 4,280	I would dock all my puppies tails as when they are born and when I dock them I can't tell at 3 days old what will stay in my home as a show dog and what will go as a pet. I conform to the standard and at 3 days old I just can't tell you which one would be considered pet quality so I would have to dock the tails. This is not to say I don't mind an undocked tail but as long as I breed and show all my puppies will have docked tails even if someone were to ask me to keep a tail. Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers __________________ Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers www.brooklynnyorkies.com

01-29-2010, 11:55 AM	#23
magicgenie Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: England Posts: 819	Banned in Europe--- I have several lovely European import dogs with their full tails, which I feel enhance their beauty and expression. Even though the written standard in the US still calls for a docked tail, in actual practice it is left to the judge's discretion to accept or dismiss an undocked dog. It is my understanding that it is extremely rare to dismiss a dog for this, and I have seen Yorkies with full tails win at conformation shows. Depending on my mood I sometimes leave tails on. I have a puppy now that I may go ahead and show with his full tail.

01-30-2010, 08:14 PM	#25
nsyorkies Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: north vancouver, canada Posts: 28	to dock or not? My vet says that it will be illegal to dock tails in Canada in the near future. As it is in Europe. He points out that it is purely cosmetic and very painful and traumatic for puppies! It is not like Yorkies are still chasing rats and need it to be removed/docked for health and safety! I don't know HOW people/breeders do it! I pay to have it done, but leave the vet's office so I can't hear the pups scream! I don't feel good about it at all! I do not dock if a client requests. More and more people/clients are asking about it, so maybe it will be outlawed soon. I look forward to the day!! I do not have the de-claws removed anymore, because same vet says in small dogs it is unnecessary.We have not had any problems so far! __________________ Nancy and the Gang

01-31-2010, 07:58 AM	#27
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	I'm sure that it can be very painful and traumatic for them if it's not done properly. When I had my last litter done, they were 3 days old and three of the four never even woke up. So if it was "tramatic," they slept right through it and never knew. I always find those types of comments very comical given that my experiences with docking have been so different. Last edited by BamaFan121s; 01-31-2010 at 08:01 AM.

01-28-2010, 04:58 PM	#16
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	I prefer a docked tail. If I were looking for a pup, I would probably pass on it if the tail were not docked.

01-29-2010, 12:25 AM	#18
clm56 YT Addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: in the beautiful USA Posts: 259	~I also prefer the docked tail, but not too short, just enough to cover the butt. Personally I've never seen a full tail on a yorkie. If I had somebody ask me not to dock, than I would give them what they want, and of course dock the rest.

01-29-2010, 10:24 AM	#21
ARCHIE No Longer A Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NEW YORK Posts: 16,218	Standard or not I like the full tail and wish they would allow it. I think it's plain cruel to put a puppy thro such trama just to please those who say it's standard! Just my honest opinion.

01-31-2010, 08:39 AM	#28
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	I think these Yorkies are stunning with their tails and when they walk in the ring it must be incredible to see: ...::: Welcome to Yorky Club :::... I love the full tail.... __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!

01-31-2010, 10:39 AM	#29
diane boden YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: england Posts: 676 Blog Entries: 23	The majority of yorkies over here now have natural tails, though some breeders do get around it by regestering their litters with the Irish kennel club. The docked tail does look smarter, but I must admit I did find it traumatic seeing it done and spent alot of time agonising over weather to dock or not. Unfortunatly to start with some judges were very biased against full tails when they banned breeders docking and left it to vets. Now with the ban its a more open competition which is why I'm looking at getting back into the ring in the hopefully near future.

01-31-2010, 12:54 PM	#30
TatumsMom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: TX Posts: 2,799	I prefer a docked tail but that's not really your question. I believe if you have one already spoken for, the new owner should be able to choose what they want. This past summer we had a litter of Australian Shepherds. The standard on them also is to dock the tails. Right at birth, one was spoken for by a lady in Germany. It's the standard there NOT to dock tails. She specifically asked for that one to not be docked so we only did all the others. She did end up choosing a second one also and I was concerned about the tail already being docked but she said (if I remember right) that it's not "illegal" to dock them, just not "preferred" and that she was fine with it. I guess you have to be to spend that much on travel to come get them plus the cost of the pups. :-) If you have a deposit on the "undocked" one, I think it's just fine to go with their wishes. __________________ ~ Angie Last edited by TatumsMom; 01-31-2010 at 12:56 PM.