hypoparathyroid?? + PLE/LYMPHANGIECTASIA

[TraceyAnn]

Tuckers not doing well at all. Last night he was really zoning out, staring at nothing then leaning so much he laid down. Almost like a slow collapse. I ran him and the stool to the vet this am, things went so quickly, she looked at him and his weight drop again to 6.5, and took him to start IV's. She's gonna run first the original complete panel, then look into the pancreas with labs and possible ultrasound. I have to call her at 4pm to see if he stablized with the IV's., She said if he needs them during the night she is gonna take him home with her to run the fluids. She doesn't want him to be alone and lose him. I told her do everything you can but if it's cancer we then stop it all. I am so crushed beyond words right now. I always swear I am never gonna get another animal because of the heartache that comes at the end of the road. The house just feels so empty without him. I'll keep you posted, I need to drown my sorrows in coffee....

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by TraceyAnn

Tuckers not doing well at all. Last night he was really zoning out, staring at nothing then leaning so much he laid down. Almost like a slow collapse. I ran him and the stool to the vet this am, things went so quickly, she looked at him and his weight drop again to 6.5, and took him to start IV's. She's gonna run first the original complete panel, then look into the pancreas with labs and possible ultrasound. I have to call her at 4pm to see if he stablized with the IV's., She said if he needs them during the night she is gonna take him home with her to run the fluids. She doesn't want him to be alone and lose him. I told her do everything you can but if it's cancer we then stop it all. I am so crushed beyond words right now. I always swear I am never gonna get another animal because of the heartache that comes at the end of the road. The house just feels so empty without him. I'll keep you posted, I need to drown my sorrows in coffee....

awe girl hang in there. You need to keep the faith please he needs you to think positive right now and you go see him as much as you can as he needs to know you are there and you are fighting with him as dogs do better when you go see them and fight harder. I am sure they will find out what is going on so please keep the faith and keep us posted as you find out more info.

Ask about plasma transfusion it cost about $290 - if the protein is down and the calcium and the cholesterol this could be ple and plasma can help sometimes more than hepastarch

Do not give up as if ple or something else there are alot of things that can help and I can refer you to other owners where their dogs were sick and doing well and they can help you

I really doubt this is cancer as cancer really does not run in this breed but I think it could be some of the other things below that run in this breed. Ask her to please rule out those others as i know they run in this breed.

I will log on at work and be here for you today but please be strong I have been where you are today and i know it is hard but hang in there as my dog is alive and well 4 years later. If this gets beyond your vet then you take your dog to a specialty hospital immediately as that is what finally saved my dogs life.

[TraceyAnn]

The vet just called, I wrote so fast I am not sure of spelling or actually wording on some stuff, see if you can understand this mess...calcium 6.9 up from 6.2 on fri. amylase back to normal, lipase up more, now 895 should be 225, total protein down lower yet to 2.9, should be 5.5, hemacrit alittle low, WBC were 17,000, up even more to 21,600, are you ready for this?? the stool, has lots of abnormalities in it, lots of pollen, hook worm eggs!!!! and an EGG that looks like "belly aschers" I don't know what she said, but it comes from raccoon droppings!!!! She treating the hook worms, plus giving him that heta starch thing you mentioned, also running a panel on malabsorbtion?? I asked about plasma, she said if he needs it, he would go to lehigh valley hospital to a specialist who is wonderful with plasma stuff. She also said about poss. bone marrow issues and blood dyscrasias. I am supposed to call her from work tomorrow at 9:30 gor updates. If he takes a turn for the worse she'll call me, I don't like that sentence.He's on a pump right now resting, she can't flood him with fluids so he doesn't start with cardiac issues. My daughter said bone marrow issues are painful and tucker shouldn't go through that. Please get back to me.

[TraceyAnn]

The vet just called, I wrote so fast I am not sure of spelling or actually wording on some stuff, see if you can understand this mess...calcium 6.9 up from 6.2 on fri. amylase back to normal, lipase up more, now 895 should be 225, total protein down lower yet to 2.9, should be 5.5, hemacrit alittle low, WBC were 17,000, up even more to 21,600, are you ready for this?? the stool, has lots of abnormalities in it, lots of pollen, hook worm eggs!!!! and an EGG that looks like "belly aschers" I don't know what she said, but it comes from raccoon droppings!!!! She treating the hook worms, plus giving him that heta starch thing you mentioned, also running a panel on malabsorbtion?? I asked about plasma, she said if he needs it, he would go to lehigh valley hospital to a specialist who is wonderful with plasma stuff. She also said about poss. bone marrow issues and blood dyscrasias. I am supposed to call her from work tomorrow at 9:30 gor updates. If he takes a turn for the worse she'll call me, I don't like that sentence.He's on a pump right now resting, she can't flood him with fluids so he doesn't start with cardiac issues. My daughter said bone marrow issues are painful and tucker shouldn't go through that. Please get back to me.

[TraceyAnn]

also very high platelet count

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by TraceyAnn

The vet just called, I wrote so fast I am not sure of spelling or actually wording on some stuff, see if you can understand this mess...calcium 6.9 up from 6.2 on fri. amylase back to normal, lipase up more, now 895 should be 225, total protein down lower yet to 2.9, should be 5.5, hemacrit alittle low, WBC were 17,000, up even more to 21,600, are you ready for this?? the stool, has lots of abnormalities in it, lots of pollen, hook worm eggs!!!! and an EGG that looks like "belly aschers" I don't know what she said, but it comes from raccoon droppings!!!! She treating the hook worms, plus giving him that heta starch thing you mentioned, also running a panel on malabsorbtion?? I asked about plasma, she said if he needs it, he would go to lehigh valley hospital to a specialist who is wonderful with plasma stuff. She also said about poss. bone marrow issues and blood dyscrasias. I am supposed to call her from work tomorrow at 9:30 gor updates. If he takes a turn for the worse she'll call me, I don't like that sentence.He's on a pump right now resting, she can't flood him with fluids so he doesn't start with cardiac issues. My daughter said bone marrow issues are painful and tucker shouldn't go through that. Please get back to me.

I really do not think this is bone marrow issue -- you may want to have her consult with internal medicine specialist at that other hospital to get a second opinion on this so they can work together on this asap. It sounds like she is a good vet if willing to keep him with her 24/7 as that is going above and beyond but she may need to be consulting a specialist with this. Low low protein is of concern - lipase has to do with enzymes digesting fats. WBC count is high due to infection and this can happen with pancreas as well as lipase involves the pancreas so EPI can be of concern did she run the TLI? TLI will rule out EPI - sounds like with that fecal there is alot going on with that as well. Sounds like she is on top of things but she may need some consultations with internal medicine as sounds like alot is going on so tell her you are willing to pay for consult with internal medicine specialist at that hospital that does plasma transfusion if that will help your dog. Plasma sometimes has better effect on these dogs with low protein than hepastarch as i know the plasma helped more than the hepastarch for my friends dog with ple.

Hang in there and keep us posted

[TraceyAnn]

I just found that bailiaschers thing, it is from raccoons mostly, it can go to the intestines or brain and spinal cord, I just said how he was staring confused like. I wonder if that high platelet count is why she said something about bone marrow?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by TraceyAnn

I just found that bailiaschers thing, it is from raccoons mostly, it can go to the intestines or brain and spinal cord, I just said how he was staring confused like. I wonder if that high platelet count is why she said something about bone marrow?

not sure but I really think she needs to be dealing with a specialty hospital at this point as sounds like alot going on and a team of specialists may be able to get to the bottom of this faster from testing she has done already. May need neurology and internal medicine working together on this.

high red blood cell count can be related to HGE but usually the dog will have diarrhea that looks like raspberry jam did he have this as i do not remember you ever mentioning this

hang in there sometimes it takes a few heads working together and ruling out things to get to the heart of things - you are doing awesome

the staring is neurological sign and why I think between internal medicine and neurologist they will be able to get this under control so ask her what she thinks. Sometimes you have to get to specialists when they start to spin out of control like this.

[TraceyAnn]

2 summers ago when i went away he had red jam like diarrhea, it went away with bland diet and pepcid for dogs.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by TraceyAnn

2 summers ago when i went away he had red jam like diarrhea, it went away with bland diet and pepcid for dogs.

yeah hge dogs act really sick because what happens is the red blood cells rapidly increase and the dog is very sick and they can die from this as the blood cells multiply so quickly and can shut down organs so dog needs to be on heavy fluid therapy and antibiotics for this - it can be caused by salmonella, ecoli from bad food or a dead animal out in the yard, etc and once they get it then it is very easy for them to get this again - this is why I always take mine in immediately with any bloody poop as it may be colitis but always best to check out if blood in stool.

[TraceyAnn]

when he had it 2 years ago my daughter took him right away to the vet, but this diarrhea is brown liquid, not red not black.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by TraceyAnn

when he had it 2 years ago my daughter took him right away to the vet, but this diarrhea is brown liquid, not red not black.

ok good it is not the thick raspberry poop as that is more scary to me. The diarrhea is causing the protein loss -- what is your vet thinking this is thus far? My gut was this was never hypoparathyroid as have not seen that in a yorkie in 5 years of being on dog groups - my fear was he would get worse but was hoping for best so i am so bummed he got worse today

[TraceyAnn]

I don't know what she is thinking, she was dwelling over raccoons and wild critters in the yard. It's sad but there was a dead raccoon around the corner on the main road. A raccoon can climb over the fence, they are nocturnal so I would have never seen him. I looked up high platelet counts and it did say bone marrow disorders or an overwhelming response to an immune blood disease. I called my work, they are gonna let me leave alittle early tomorrow incase I got to transport Tucker somewhere. I need him to make it through the night, so he's strong enough to handle the meds she's giving him. If my phone rings during the middle of the night, I will die, .. if he pulls through I am gonna have a huge tucker party, then torch my lawn to kill anything else brewing in it..

[TraceyAnn]

you said the cells produce so quickly that it shuts down the organs. And that you have to flood them with iv fluids. ist. how do we know that his organs aren't hurting from the high count, and 2nd. she said she has to be careful with the fluids so she doesn't overload the ticker. So he's back to being very doomed.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by TraceyAnn

you said the cells produce so quickly that it shuts down the organs. And that you have to flood them with iv fluids. ist. how do we know that his organs aren't hurting from the high count, and 2nd. she said she has to be careful with the fluids so she doesn't overload the ticker. So he's back to being very doomed.

nah he is not doomed - just stay positive he did not have the raspberry poop so not hge so that is not what is going on.

Get her to consult with specialists though so they can brain storm on how to get him out of the woods quickly.

our vet had a sign up with a racoon on it and stated distemper has she ruled this out as that can be ruled out with fecal as well - Just throwing out any possibility that comes to my mind to make sure everything has been ruled out so not trying to confuse you but trying to think of anything and everything affecting this breed.