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dwerten · 06-18-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TraceyAnn

It's 10:30pm, I have to take him back, he's falling over again! I bet he stays again, he had hetastarch last night and I think soon as it wears off he's back to being sick. so far he's back on flagyl, and calcium, what do you think.

the plasma works better sometimes so ask about that and take him back immediately if not feeling better as they can go down hill fast with this.

I think you need to contact jodi - let me see if i can facebook her to get susan over the weekend to help consult with specialists as she helped save another friend of ours dog that was not doing well like your dog so I really think you need to trust this as the other dog had PLE as well - hang tight - she is in Michigan so it may be too late

dwerten · 06-18-2010, 07:54 PM

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9980

here is her profile and you can see on her profile that she has helped others with PLE

Hang in there - DO NOT GIVE UP !!! I will not let you

He will get better - sometimes these things take time to balance them out. It happened with my dex but now he is great for 4 years

dwerten · 06-19-2010, 05:17 AM

How is Tucker doing this morning?

LuvMySissy · 06-19-2010, 06:19 AM

Hi TraceyAnn- sorry to hear you and Tucker have been through so much. Here is Susan Davis' information....
Pet Health Pet Nutritionist Holistic Pet

Debbie is so correct that she (and Dr. Gordon) have worked miracles on so many of our pups who we were advised to put down. Please contact her immediately - the sooner you do, the sooner he can get well. And, definitely use Plasma, not hetastarch!!!!

LuvMySissy · 06-19-2010, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TraceyAnn

Dwerten,
the new paperwork does say he suffers from PLE, they did not put him on prednisone because they are giving me a chance to decide about the biopsy. I don't think I am seeing a nutrition person, its to repeat labs and to discuss the biopsy decision.

My personal feeling is that the only thing a biopsy will do is confirm, it doesn't change the treatment process, and in an already immune compromised pup, the surgery risk is very high.

My Sissy has PLE and has never been on steroids. The only thing the steriods do is help with inflammation - they do not heal anything. In order to get him well, his intestinal system needs healing. If you consult with Susan (and Dr. Gordon, which I'm sure will be insisted upon) they will start him on an appropriate diet (which will mostly likely NOT be Z/D) along with supplements that will strengthen him. Please do not give up......

LuvMySissy · 06-19-2010, 06:25 AM

One more thing, B12 is usually needed when dealing with PLE issues. Please ask your vet about this......

dwerten · 06-19-2010, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMySissy

My personal feeling is that the only thing a biopsy will do is confirm, it doesn't change the treatment process, and in an already immune compromised pup, the surgery risk is very high.

My Sissy has PLE and has never been on steroids. The only thing the steriods do is help with inflammation - they do not heal anything. In order to get him well, his intestinal system needs healing. If you consult with Susan (and Dr. Gordon, which I'm sure will be insisted upon) they will start him on an appropriate diet (which will mostly likely NOT be Z/D) along with supplements that will strengthen him. Please do not give up......

Thanks so much Jodi for coming to help her

You are the best

This little one has ct also which scared me about putting a scope down him with this going on as I also think she has enough info to treat as well

I Hope he is ok as have not seen any posts but maybe she is giving him hugs and kisses at the hospital

J - what hospital was Vicky at - was it in texas too? Is it the same one he is at?

I am going to have Ann switch title to PLE/LYMPHANGIECTASIA

I remember the plasma worked better than the hetastarch for Jill and plasma saved dex life but they had to sedate to give dex plasma through jugular - did they do the same for Jill? They wanted dex to have fluids through jugular too as he almost died and they felt it was the fastest way to get toxins out of his body - I just said do whatever treat him as if he was your own dog and had to trust back then as i had no clue about all this stuff

TraceyAnn · 06-19-2010, 09:16 AM

Dwerten,
We just got in at 5am, they tapped another 60ml. from his chest, so 280 total in one day, he's drowning. They are leaning on a biopsy of the intestines and liver because he has a small liver. My hubby who is cooler than a cucumber is a wreck, he thinks all this poking is enough for his little man. They wanted to charge me over 3 grand just for him to sleep there the weekend, no treatment, we refused that, so they put him on the prednisone to possibly give him some time to reduce inflammation, and wait till the pending liver labs are in. The er vet said he went through alot already& is not sure if she would put her own thru all the biopsies. He took his pred. at 5:30 this am, my hubby held him in his arms all morning while we slept, just because he was nasally gurgling. We all woke up & he's brand new, it's all like a phoney fix from the pred. I think this is what I want to do, we will continue to spend 8 hrs. a day in the er. to get him tapped if needed, then weds. push for plasma, the labs should be in, if after the plasma & he's still suffering I want my regular vet to put him to sleep. Can you tell me how to get a hold of that person who performs miracles. Do I call, do I write, I am so a mess I hope you can follow what I am saying. Thanks for everything....

TraceyAnn · 06-19-2010, 09:31 AM

do I contact Jodi, luv my sissy, dr. gordan, or the site I just found from you ask ariel? so I need to keep him alive no matter what till I would be shipped the supplements and food. I think that site looked more hopeful then anything, I have to try it no matter what.

TraceyAnn · 06-19-2010, 09:35 AM

I know what you are saying, contact gordon and sue blake from ask ariel site, I'm gonna do it now............thanks

dwerten · 06-19-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TraceyAnn

I know what you are saying, contact gordon and sue blake from ask ariel site, I'm gonna do it now............thanks

At least give it one more shot as she saved Jill who was the same as your baby so I am hoping she can get your baby back on track. This is what I would do if mine was i trouble like yours. I would spend my money this route, have her on the phone with the specialists and do what she says to do. Jill was on deaths door and now alive and healthy but Vicky almost lost her like what you are describing. I will pray real hard for you and him. This is all I can recommend trying at this point is the plasma and Susan. I was so fearful when I saw the low protein and calcium that it would be this

But there is hope as Jill is living proof of it and Jodi helped Vicky as well with susan. I am just so bummed it is the weekend but I know Jodi knows susan real well and maybe can get a hold of her. Tell susan Jodi from YT referred you and it is an EMERGENCY. Tell her it is like a Jill situation.

The pred will help for this as it is used for getting inflammation down but they can all work together to get the best treatment plan for long term.

Do not give up yet just this one last ditch effort and think positive

TraceyAnn · 06-19-2010, 10:41 AM

I just ordered an er. after hours consult for 150. I hope I ordered this right. It's with sue and dr. gordon. I had to fill out an application with all that I know so far, but I did it before I read your note about a yt er recommending her.

TraceyAnn · 06-19-2010, 02:29 PM

Dwerten,
I just got an email, susan will be calling me at 9pm tonight!!!!! she said the only thing is that with the jill dog dr. gordon was involved, susan is the only one around tonight, I would be grateful for the pope right now!

dwerten · 06-19-2010, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TraceyAnn

Dwerten,
I just got an email, susan will be calling me at 9pm tonight!!!!! she said the only thing is that with the jill dog dr. gordon was involved, susan is the only one around tonight, I would be grateful for the pope right now!

that is great news let me know what happens. Hang in there. Is he doing better still? She can get Dr Gordon involved on monday or tomorrow but you will get some answers at least tonight

TraceyAnn · 06-20-2010, 05:38 AM

all I can say is wow!!!!! that susan is the best. she thinks that yes his worms started everything, and maybe that he always eats stupid stuff is because he can't handle kibble and chicken. she really doesn't like kibble and chicken for dogs. She thinks that the panacur poisoned him, B/C the 2nd day on it he was refusing it and started to collapse, and by the 3rd day everything intestine wise was so inflamed due to the panacur that he was filling up. I looked at the panacur and it is dosed for a 10lb. dog, and he is 6 ish, and weakened. She's worried about in 2 weeks I have to give it again, can the vet cut the dose in 1/3. She thinks if he was knocking on JC's pearly gates, he wouldn't have responded to the prednisone so well. He has no fluid building, chest and nose completely clear, he's able to lay, he looks and acts like a 8 month old pup. BUT.... when I do give him the flagyl, and prednisone, right after it like now he looks glassy eyed, my dogs and I don't do well with any kinds of drugs, except a vitamin. I am a little worried he hasn't had a bm. since 5am sat. am. Also when this really passes how in the world am I gonna be able to collect the others poop, I don't know who's is who's. But that is minor right now. I have to run to the store for whitefish, string beans,and potatoes, she called it a bland anti-inflammatory diet for now. Plus she shipping me a bunch of stuff to reduce inflammation and build his strength back. So if all goes well, I will be taking him to that malvern on weds. for follow up, his cortisol lab and something else will be in by then. Also to try and return the case of ZD cans. For now my guard is up very much, I'm waiting for the floor to give in again, but on the other hand it is so nice to see his little face happy again, his full of lifeness I can't explain how I feel. Do you think that the vets would give me a copy of his actual labs? I want them for reference. I will be following up with susan for new diets changes in about 2 weeks. Thanks again for everything. I'll keep in touch, let me know what you think...Tracey

06-19-2010, 06:19 AM	#124
LuvMySissy Luv my Angel, too! Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Posts: 9,333	Hi TraceyAnn- sorry to hear you and Tucker have been through so much. Here is Susan Davis' information.... Pet Health Pet Nutritionist Holistic Pet Debbie is so correct that she (and Dr. Gordon) have worked miracles on so many of our pups who we were advised to put down. Please contact her immediately - the sooner you do, the sooner he can get well. And, definitely use Plasma, not hetastarch!!!! __________________ Sissy & Angel

06-19-2010, 06:25 AM	#126
LuvMySissy Luv my Angel, too! Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Posts: 9,333	One more thing, B12 is usually needed when dealing with PLE issues. Please ask your vet about this...... __________________ Sissy & Angel

06-18-2010, 07:54 PM	#122
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9980 here is her profile and you can see on her profile that she has helped others with PLE Hang in there - DO NOT GIVE UP !!! I will not let you He will get better - sometimes these things take time to balance them out. It happened with my dex but now he is great for 4 years

06-19-2010, 05:17 AM	#123
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	How is Tucker doing this morning?

06-19-2010, 09:16 AM	#128
TraceyAnn Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: sinking spring pa. usa Posts: 95	Dwerten, We just got in at 5am, they tapped another 60ml. from his chest, so 280 total in one day, he's drowning. They are leaning on a biopsy of the intestines and liver because he has a small liver. My hubby who is cooler than a cucumber is a wreck, he thinks all this poking is enough for his little man. They wanted to charge me over 3 grand just for him to sleep there the weekend, no treatment, we refused that, so they put him on the prednisone to possibly give him some time to reduce inflammation, and wait till the pending liver labs are in. The er vet said he went through alot already& is not sure if she would put her own thru all the biopsies. He took his pred. at 5:30 this am, my hubby held him in his arms all morning while we slept, just because he was nasally gurgling. We all woke up & he's brand new, it's all like a phoney fix from the pred. I think this is what I want to do, we will continue to spend 8 hrs. a day in the er. to get him tapped if needed, then weds. push for plasma, the labs should be in, if after the plasma & he's still suffering I want my regular vet to put him to sleep. Can you tell me how to get a hold of that person who performs miracles. Do I call, do I write, I am so a mess I hope you can follow what I am saying. Thanks for everything....

06-19-2010, 09:31 AM	#129
TraceyAnn Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: sinking spring pa. usa Posts: 95	do I contact Jodi, luv my sissy, dr. gordan, or the site I just found from you ask ariel? so I need to keep him alive no matter what till I would be shipped the supplements and food. I think that site looked more hopeful then anything, I have to try it no matter what.

06-19-2010, 09:35 AM	#130
TraceyAnn Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: sinking spring pa. usa Posts: 95	I know what you are saying, contact gordon and sue blake from ask ariel site, I'm gonna do it now............thanks

06-19-2010, 10:41 AM	#132
TraceyAnn Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: sinking spring pa. usa Posts: 95	I just ordered an er. after hours consult for 150. I hope I ordered this right. It's with sue and dr. gordon. I had to fill out an application with all that I know so far, but I did it before I read your note about a yt er recommending her.

06-19-2010, 02:29 PM	#133
TraceyAnn Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: sinking spring pa. usa Posts: 95	Dwerten, I just got an email, susan will be calling me at 9pm tonight!!!!! she said the only thing is that with the jill dog dr. gordon was involved, susan is the only one around tonight, I would be grateful for the pope right now!

06-20-2010, 05:38 AM	#135
TraceyAnn Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: sinking spring pa. usa Posts: 95	all I can say is wow!!!!! that susan is the best. she thinks that yes his worms started everything, and maybe that he always eats stupid stuff is because he can't handle kibble and chicken. she really doesn't like kibble and chicken for dogs. She thinks that the panacur poisoned him, B/C the 2nd day on it he was refusing it and started to collapse, and by the 3rd day everything intestine wise was so inflamed due to the panacur that he was filling up. I looked at the panacur and it is dosed for a 10lb. dog, and he is 6 ish, and weakened. She's worried about in 2 weeks I have to give it again, can the vet cut the dose in 1/3. She thinks if he was knocking on JC's pearly gates, he wouldn't have responded to the prednisone so well. He has no fluid building, chest and nose completely clear, he's able to lay, he looks and acts like a 8 month old pup. BUT.... when I do give him the flagyl, and prednisone, right after it like now he looks glassy eyed, my dogs and I don't do well with any kinds of drugs, except a vitamin. I am a little worried he hasn't had a bm. since 5am sat. am. Also when this really passes how in the world am I gonna be able to collect the others poop, I don't know who's is who's. But that is minor right now. I have to run to the store for whitefish, string beans,and potatoes, she called it a bland anti-inflammatory diet for now. Plus she shipping me a bunch of stuff to reduce inflammation and build his strength back. So if all goes well, I will be taking him to that malvern on weds. for follow up, his cortisol lab and something else will be in by then. Also to try and return the case of ZD cans. For now my guard is up very much, I'm waiting for the floor to give in again, but on the other hand it is so nice to see his little face happy again, his full of lifeness I can't explain how I feel. Do you think that the vets would give me a copy of his actual labs? I want them for reference. I will be following up with susan for new diets changes in about 2 weeks. Thanks again for everything. I'll keep in touch, let me know what you think...Tracey