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02-27-2013, 04:38 PM | #1 |
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| ****Jodi Arias - Oh My Goodness!!!**** I can't watch the trial itself except occasionally tune in but then have to turn off of it. But I do watch some of the TV coverage of it on CNN and HLN and from what I saw today of this smiling, arrogant, almost proudly giggling, at times coy and coquettish woman talking about her gaggy sex-life, I'm supposed to believe she slaughtered that man she killed because she is a VICTIM of his? She acts nothing like a woman that has been abused and victimized, at least nothing about her demeanor. She acts as if she thinks she is so smart that there is no way she is going to spend significant time in jail. What in the world do you all have to say about this person? Does anyone believe her? Is she going to walk just like Casey Anthony?
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02-27-2013, 05:26 PM | #2 |
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| I don't know if she will walk but she certainly seems to think she is going to get away with it. Her stories are so convoluted. I really hope she gets the sentence she deserves.
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02-28-2013, 04:25 AM | #3 |
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| I haven't watched the case, but read the story. She's scary to me. I pray she does not get off. Ugh
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02-28-2013, 06:07 AM | #4 |
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| I've been watching this for a couple of weeks. Today the prosecutor finally gets to the kill day, he will probably be showing the pictures of the wounds she inflicted on this poor guy. This woman is a classic case of a sociopath. What a piece of work she is,her arrogance is unbelievable. She is guilty of the crime, she has finally admitted to that, but is she going to get sympathy from one of the jurors to get a lighter sentence for the murder? After the O.J. and the Casey Anthony trials anything can happen.
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02-28-2013, 06:17 AM | #5 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | I've watched almost all of it, and it's utterly fascinating in terms of human behavior and perception. The bottom line is that she admitted to murdering him, and it was a brutal, horrendous murder. So given that, she is guilty of killing someone. Whether or not it is premeditated is really what's on trial here, bc that determines Murder 1 and the death penalty. I really haven't seen any real proof, yet, that it's premeditated; at this point in the trial - I'd have reasonable doubt on that point. I don't like the way the media is portraying this case at all. Even the 'expert' psychologists and psychiatrists are saying things that don't come off as 'expert' at all. Jodi very clearly has mental health issues, has identity problems (meaning, she doesn't really have a firm one, she adapts it to others), is very submissive to men (while also being passive aggressive), is a compulsive liar, has narcissistic tendencies, and for sure has borderline personality disorder. On that same note though (and this may not be popular), she very clearly has some sort of major trauma in her past - it's so obviously plain as day. And I don't say that bc of what she *did*. I say that bc of her demeanor at any given time - whether on the stand, in past interviews, taped phone calls or whatnot. She is so tragically stuffed down inside herself, is shut down (almost no affect at all, at times), and is unable to be/seem authentically her own self - rather she seems to be *acting* as a 'self'. She actually IS the perfect type of person who would be in an abusive relationship. I'm NOT saying Travis did abuse her, bc I don't know that for a fact...I'm just saying that her demeanor and her history of "fusing" with men is the perfect storm for a very one-sided relationship that could also attract abusers. I do think Travis led a dual life, though - and we never can predict what that does to a person's stability. He presented one person to his friends, family, and colleagues (chaste, followed Mormon dictates, ethical) and another person behind closed doors. It's always important to remember that we never, ever really know what truly goes on in people's intimate relationships. And again, I'm not saying he absolutely was abusive - but I think it's possible. I've heard recorded things he said to her, text messages, emails that do seem quite emotionally abusive. The claims of physical abuse...I'm not nearly as inclined to believe those at all; it just doesn't have that feel. It's very clear that he was very ashamed of Jodi on many levels, and that is terribly sad for both of them. Shame is a very powerful feeling, is extremely destructive - and it's sad to think it was a part of the equation when it's such a useless emotion. Leading this dual existence shows that Travis was also quite vulnerable to being dishonest and inauthentic and unethical (unethical only bc he pretended to follow his church's doctrine so avidly, when he truly did not; he also did not seek guidance when he broke these doctrines he committed to). Whether or not he 'snapped' for some reason on that tragic day, I don't know. I think it's possible for anyone to snap. If he snapped, and she defended herself - that's something I can understand. What I don't understand is how one could claim self defense when the person was shot in the head and stabbed TWENTY NINE times. Twenty nine stabs is not self defense...that's raging, maniacal violence. Self defense to me, using this situation, would be the defender creating a wound in the attacker that would then allow the defender a chance to run, get out, and call the police later. Self defense is a very real thing...so if it truly *was* self defense, why wouldn't she call the police and report it after? Historically, abuse victims who are forced to defend themselves in an extremely violent way, always call the police after the incident. So, that's a big red flag for me. I will say this - she is really something to see on that stand. Practically unflappable. Calm, collected, in control, poised. While the prosecutor, in my opinion, is doing one of the worst jobs I've EVER seen in my life. He looks very bad, foolish, immature, mean, degrading, impatient, rude, disrespectful, and totally ALL OVER THE PLACE. There is hardly any cohesion to what he's presenting and he's getting all mucked up in the minutiae - making his goal/case/strategy completely confusing, disorienting, and downright annoying. He needs to calm himself down, stop acting like he can't control his emotions, and start calmly focusing on presenting a good strategy that is EASY to follow. He is just a hot mess. He clearly thinks (and wants us to know) that Jodi is 1000% guilty and that he cannot stand the sight of her - okay, we GET IT already; but bullying her endlessly is doing his case NO favors, while doing the defense case wonders. He's shooting himself in the foot. Holy crap I wrote a novel! See? It's a fascinating case that really makes your brain weigh a lot of info.
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02-28-2013, 09:30 AM | #6 |
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| Oh, Ann, I'll have to agree on that prosecutor. I expected a clever and skillful dissection of all of her statements and texts, cleverly interposed with later, changed statements, then moving on to emphasizing her gleeful participation and initiation in the kinky stuff rather than a brow-beaten shell of a victim, ending with absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this woman was ever in any way Travis' victim but a predator herself, one-by-one revealing the steps she took to stop him for good if need be, with maybe a bit of Jimmy Stewart aw-shuckness in letting the Jury see the obvious and arrive at its own conclusions. Plus, I'd hoped the prosecution could take any chance by stipulation or even objection in order to stop the hours of pandering to her need to reveal every last detail of her creepy life to the current, known galaxies. Ugh! Instead, we get this screaming, sweating, scattershooting, easily-flustered blunderbuss who makes the woman seem more artful than she even is or could hope to be! The more he yells, the more she talks, the more the Jury sees her as a human, not a predator, and will begin to bond in some way. No way they are getting the death penalty on this one, though it sure does seem premeditated after just what I learned yesterday. I just don't see it. But it was so gross to see this woman who claims she was such a victim dimpling, grinning, bantering and openly flirting as they discussed her freaky sexting and sex-games with the whole world watching! She does a disservice to all those truly victimized women who live with an abuser and have the medical photos and medical records or suicide attempts to show for it. Makes you want to go shower after just a little bit of watching this trial after hearing her testimony.
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02-28-2013, 09:37 AM | #7 |
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02-28-2013, 10:55 AM | #8 |
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| Oh, I see now! She really didn't do it! I was so wrong - should have just watched her old interviews before they beat the tru.........other story out of her. Well, it's good to know what REALLY happened. These "two other individuals" did it! Who talks like that??? "Two other individuals" did it????? Come on, Jodi!!! I can see the police BOLO now, "Be on the lookout for two other individuals in the murder of WMA Travis Alexander........".
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02-28-2013, 11:09 AM | #9 |
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| That's a perfect example of a pathological liar Nancy - lol! I wish I could agree with more of what's been said but.... I don't believe she had to have had any major trauma to be how she is. I believe that some people are just born that way. I don't see her as being submissive - at all. I think she wants everyone to believe that she is - but I think she knows exactly what she's doing. She is a very strong willed woman, as you can see with her interaction with the prosecutor, and she does not do what she doesn't want to do. I do believe that Travis was living on both sides of the fence but I think you'd be amazed just how many people of his religion do. Actually, not just his religion - many religions! I don't think the prosecutor is bullying her because I believe that he is questioning her just like he would a man - and that's how it should be. Yes, she has admitted that she killed Travis but she also said it was self defence. Not a chance! The prosecutor is trying to prove premeditation and he might be taking too long to do it but he has shown a lot of things leading up to the murder that might have been skimmed over earlier. I just hope he uses some kind of visual chart showing the jury what she said/did -vs- and what really happened. I think many people remember better with visuals. I find her so aggravating that if I were the prosecutor I'd probably be arrested for choking her!!! lol!
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02-28-2013, 11:19 AM | #10 | |
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02-28-2013, 11:28 AM | #11 | |
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The prosecutor has involved her in a dance he has orchestrated (sp?)...he is making her get sassy and beligerant and be bold and argue with him....because he will flip that around and ask the jurors when have they ever seen a battered, humiliated, abused, mistreated, taken advantage of, forced sex slave agenda on her, stand boldly and actually assume a caustic, beligerant, aggressive, dont back down attitude with a LAWYER.....if she was such a pitiful wall flower that she couldnt stand up to Travis and his abuse, there would be NO WAY she could transform into Mighty Mouse with the imposing figure of authority personified by the lawyer, in his own "house" !!! She would be crying, sniveling, hiding under that chair she is planted firmly in! But I would not bet a dime on what will happen...woth the two cases aforementioned, turning out like they did, I am in continuing bemusement by the legal system. | |
02-28-2013, 11:32 AM | #12 | |
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02-28-2013, 12:01 PM | #13 | |
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I couldn't agree with you more, especially the bolded part. Some people are just evil, no prior "trauma" required. She was a willing participant in all this, she's no victim. Don't get me wrong, Travis had some issues of his own but Jodi was enjoying the relationship, as strange as it was. I'm looking forward to the prosecutors closing arguments. That's when he'll give the put it all pieces together.
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03-01-2013, 08:38 AM | #14 | ||
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Yup, me too. What they did sexually doesn't make them perverts, but they're trying to portray Travis as not only a pervert, but a pedophile...so awful, his poor family. They've made the sex such a HUGE part of this trial when really, it's a moot point - they both were willing, they both wanted the same things, and as long as they don't hurt each other - who cares??!!!
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