****Jodi Arias - Oh My Goodness!!!****

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Exactly, while I'm glad that women are no longer considered guilty, just b/c they have active sex lives, I hate to see the same thing happening to Travis, and the pedophile business is so evil of her. I'm still behind in testimony and I'm so confused about the pictures she took. I mean did she take the pictures of Travis purposefully? Her sending the Grandma flowers and then telling about the baby names, I just don’t believe Travis was thinking she was marriage material, and that enraged her.

I don't get the photo thing either or what that was all about but in that last photo, that man looks scared to me. When he's looking right at the camera and all wet - he looks petrified - like he just saw a full-grown tiger walk right up to him or something. Looks kind of stunned on his way to dismay and fear. And today in watching the HLN post-trial coverage, they showed photos of her pant leg and part of his head and arm on the floor! I have no idea what was going on with all of that.

Does anyone understand if she shot him first because he attacked her, what was he doing while she was running out of that room into the bedroom and closet and getting a weapon and coming back to the bathroom with it? Has anyone ever heard how she did all of that and came back to shoot him without him being able to stop her during any of that episode of action? Of course, he was stabbed by then, he had to have been fairly badly injured or that guy would have stopped her - knowing she could be going for a weapon IF he had known one was in the house. It sounds to me as if some believe she brought the gun with her and it wasn't in any closet at all but in her purse. But I haven't really paid any attention to any of it until this week. So I'm half-heartedly playing a bit of catch up.

Also, a woman in her thirties, I've never heard what her occupation is and how she supports herself or who is paying for her trial? I did a search for that on Google and can't find anything.

[jp4m2]

Since noone really knows the exact sequence of events but one of the people who decifers these things claims the shot to the face was last. It was done when he was already dead from the throat slitting. They believe the knife to the chest happened first, possibly while he was in that squatting position where he has that strange look on his face.

They then speculated he was bleeding out over the sink and she started stabbing him in the back. He did try to run out of the bathroom but she apparently was still slicing and stabbing at him.He did have defensive wounds on his hands. He had some slices on the back of his head and his feet. They speculate he was down on the floor in the doorway and that's when she slit his throat. There is a large spot of dark blood in this doorway indicating that. She then drug him back to the shower and did the face shot. Quit brutal.....

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by jp4m2

Since noone really knows the exact sequence of events but one of the people who decifers these things claims the shot to the face was last. It was done when he was already dead from the throat slitting. They believe the knife to the chest happened first, possibly while he was in that squatting position where he has that strange look on his face.

They then speculated he was bleeding out over the sink and she started stabbing him in the back. He did try to run out of the bathroom but she apparently was still slicing and stabbing at him.He did have defensive wounds on his hands. He had some slices on the back of his head and his feet. They speculate he was down on the floor in the doorway and that's when she slit his throat. There is a large spot of dark blood in this doorway indicating that. She then drug him back to the shower and did the face shot. Quit brutal.....

That's good to know sort of the sequence because her story that she shot him first and how she managed to get the gun without him stopping her didn't make sense. Trying to get this on the internet in so hard since the last million pages are just all about the testimony and I couldn't really find anything about what really happened without reading pages and my eyes are just not up to that.

Good grief! That sounds like a terrible slaughter and I hope the man lost consciousness or was at least semi-conscious immediately. I can't imagine how his family is standing any of this! It's so brutal I can barely stand to read about it. I wonder what in the world really could make somebody this angry or out of control that they could do all of this to even their worst enemy, let alone someone you've cared about to some degree? Man, I would hate to be her cellmate in any prison she ever goes to!!!!!!!! I'd be scared of that woman! Can you imagine sitting confined to a cell and they open the door and in walks Jody Arias and she gives you a mean look?!?!?!?!?!? And you know you have to spend the next 10 years with her!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I don't get the photo thing either or what that was all about but in that last photo, that man looks scared to me. When he's looking right at the camera and all wet - he looks petrified - like he just saw a full-grown tiger walk right up to him or something. Looks kind of stunned on his way to dismay and fear. And today in watching the HLN post-trial coverage, they showed photos of her pant leg and part of his head and arm on the floor! I have no idea what was going on with all of that.

Does anyone understand if she shot him first because he attacked her, what was he doing while she was running out of that room into the bedroom and closet and getting a weapon and coming back to the bathroom with it? Has anyone ever heard how she did all of that and came back to shoot him without him being able to stop her during any of that episode of action? Of course, he was stabbed by then, he had to have been fairly badly injured or that guy would have stopped her - knowing she could be going for a weapon IF he had known one was in the house. It sounds to me as if some believe she brought the gun with her and it wasn't in any closet at all but in her purse. But I haven't really paid any attention to any of it until this week. So I'm half-heartedly playing a bit of catch up.

Also, a woman in her thirties, I've never heard what her occupation is and how she supports herself or who is paying for her trial? I did a search for that on Google and can't find anything.

I'm still behind, I'm just a little taken back by the fact that she took photos, I can't wrap my mind around that. On high profile murders the lawyers often work pro bono, look at Jose, it put his name on the map. He taught at Havard the next year. Anyway, she works as a waitress.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm still behind, I'm just a little taken back by the fact that she took photos, I can't wrap my mind around that. On high profile murders the lawyers often work pro bono, look at Jose, it put his name on the map. He taught at Havard the next year. Anyway, she works as a waitress.

Finally, at least I know what she does for a living. I looked and looked and one place somebody said they thought she waited tables but didn't really know. So her guy is either pro bono or the State is paying, as she is apparently not well-heeled enough to afford to pay for her own first-degree murder defense. I have never heard of her attorney and I guess none of the big names wanted to take this case on. So few women ever do get the death penalty, I don't see her being one that does, do you all?

And I just heard tonight that Arizona doesn't have re-cross examination, is that true?

[jp4m2]

The story Jodi tld about her running into the closet and getting the gun was a total lie. It never happened. The prosecutor will probably use this to show she's still lying. The medical examiner said the gun shot was last ,after death.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Finally, at least I know what she does for a living. I looked and looked and one place somebody said they thought she waited tables but didn't really know. So her guy is either pro bono or the State is paying, as she is apparently not well-heeled enough to afford to pay for her own first-degree murder defense. I have never heard of her attorney and I guess none of the big names wanted to take this case on. So few women ever do get the death penalty, I don't see her being one that does, do you all?

And I just heard tonight that Arizona doesn't have re-cross examination, is that true?

I'm not from here, I know so little about the state. I thought the defense attorney's always finished last, but I only know that from Casey's trial. Some of the shots of jurors faces are priceless!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by jp4m2

The story Jodi tld about her running into the closet and getting the gun was a total lie. It never happened. The prosecutor will probably use this to show she's still lying. The medical examiner said the gun shot was last ,after death.

How did she overcome him if she didn't shoot him first, she didn't have any injuries did she? Was it just b/c she snuck up on him in shower? Wonder why she shot him after she cut his throat?

[jp4m2]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

How did she overcome him if she didn't shoot him first, she didn't have any injuries did she? Was it just b/c she snuck up on him in shower? Wonder why she shot him after she cut his throat?

That's what I don't understand either. He clearly has a fatal wound to the neck why the gun shot? They speculate that she had the element of surprise when she stabbed him in the chest, possibly hitting him in the lung. He's injured and shocked yet she's stil stabbing him in the back. He just didn't have a chance being severely injured, having no weapon and being wet.

I hope the prosecutors closing argument answers more of these questions and it makes more sense.

[Nancy1999]

I'm listening to day 24 and I'm so sick of her not remembering things. She's a young woman, her memory should be pretty darn good. One thing is true, you don't need a great memory if you tell the truth!

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Exactly, while I'm glad that women are no longer considered guilty, just b/c they have active sex lives, I hate to see the same thing happening to Travis, and the pedophile business is so evil of her. I'm still behind in testimony and I'm so confused about the pictures she took. I mean did she take the pictures of Travis purposefully? Her sending the Grandma flowers and then telling about the baby names, I just don’t believe Travis was thinking she was marriage material, and that enraged her.

They were (according to her) at first doing a "Calvin Klein" type shoot of him in the shower - bc he was proud of getting in shape pre-Cancun trip (which he was leaving for the next day). So, many of the pics were purposeful. During the murder itself, it's clear that she either had the camera in her hand for part of it, or she stepped on the camera - causing some inadvertent pictures to be taken. After the murder, she erased the pictures - but they recovered them from the flash card.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I don't get the photo thing either or what that was all about but in that last photo, that man looks scared to me. When he's looking right at the camera and all wet - he looks petrified - like he just saw a full-grown tiger walk right up to him or something. Looks kind of stunned on his way to dismay and fear. And today in watching the HLN post-trial coverage, they showed photos of her pant leg and part of his head and arm on the floor! I have no idea what was going on with all of that.

Does anyone understand if she shot him first because he attacked her, what was he doing while she was running out of that room into the bedroom and closet and getting a weapon and coming back to the bathroom with it? Has anyone ever heard how she did all of that and came back to shoot him without him being able to stop her during any of that episode of action? Of course, he was stabbed by then, he had to have been fairly badly injured or that guy would have stopped her - knowing she could be going for a weapon IF he had known one was in the house. It sounds to me as if some believe she brought the gun with her and it wasn't in any closet at all but in her purse. But I haven't really paid any attention to any of it until this week. So I'm half-heartedly playing a bit of catch up.

Also, a woman in her thirties, I've never heard what her occupation is and how she supports herself or who is paying for her trial? I did a search for that on Google and can't find anything.

The pic you mention in the first paragraph of her leg is when they think she may have been starting to drag him back to the shower, where she left him. I too have been inexplicably drawn to the picture where he is wet, and looking directly into the camera. Supposedly, this was part of the 'calvin klein' type shoot. However, the look on his face contains more emotion than just trying to say 'this is my sexy face' -- he's got some intense thoughts going thru his head at that very moment.

She claims she shot him first, however, the coroner *thinks* the shot was last bc there was no hematoma/blood pooling in his brain, at the site of the shot -- which can mean that the heart had already stopped beating. However, since his body was so decomposed when they did the autopsy, the coroner couldn't say this conclusion was an absolute.

As for her employment, she was waiting tables and trying to start her career w/ Pre Paid Legal - where Travis worked as well. Apparently, a lot of young Mormons work for Pre Paid Legal, I don't know why...probably bc it's owned by a Mormon, maybe...?

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

How did she overcome him if she didn't shoot him first, she didn't have any injuries did she? Was it just b/c she snuck up on him in shower? Wonder why she shot him after she cut his throat?

Some are saying that she planned this photo shoot so that she could get him in a vulnerable position. During the shoot, some of the pics are him sitting on the floor of the shower -- they're saying that when he was sitting in that position, that could've been when she started stabbing him. If the shot did indeed come last, I too am mystified as to why she shot him. Maybe to make it look like it was a huge self defense struggle, and to imply that she tried to shoot him - but he kept coming at her so she 'had to stab him' then...?

The only injuries she said she had was to her finger - that it was cut. And this is after she said he bodied slammed her to a hard tile floor, they had a massive struggle etc. If she did stab him first, I'm surprised she didn't have way more obvious injuries bc he is HUGE compared to her. I almost think it went down like this, given how few injuries she had: she tried first to stab him in the shower, he was injured but functioning and got up, she got the gun and shot him, he went down and was dying, she then proceeded to stab him in extreme rage - hence, the 29 stab wounds.

[Wylie's Mom]

What I'm really snagged upon is the gas cans. I can't get past the gas cans. There is very little real proof of pre-meditation, but if one thing hooks my mind as to the possibility of pre-med, it's those dang gas cans.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

They were (according to her) at first doing a "Calvin Klein" type shoot of him in the shower - bc he was proud of getting in shape pre-Cancun trip (which he was leaving for the next day). So, many of the pics were purposeful. During the murder itself, it's clear that she either had the camera in her hand for part of it, or she stepped on the camera - causing some inadvertent pictures to be taken. After the murder, she erased the pictures - but they recovered them from the flash card.



The pic you mention in the first paragraph of her leg is when they think she may have been starting to drag him back to the shower, where she left him. I too have been inexplicably drawn to the picture where he is wet, and looking directly into the camera. Supposedly, this was part of the 'calvin klein' type shoot. However, the look on his face contains more emotion than just trying to say 'this is my sexy face' -- he's got some intense thoughts going thru his head at that very moment.

She claims she shot him first, however, the coroner *thinks* the shot was last bc there was no hematoma/blood pooling in his brain, at the site of the shot -- which can mean that the heart had already stopped beating. However, since his body was so decomposed when they did the autopsy, the coroner couldn't say this conclusion was an absolute.

As for her employment, she was waiting tables and trying to start her career w/ Pre Paid Legal - where Travis worked as well. Apparently, a lot of young Mormons work for Pre Paid Legal, I don't know why...probably bc it's owned by a Mormon, maybe...?



Some are saying that she planned this photo shoot so that she could get him in a vulnerable position. During the shoot, some of the pics are him sitting on the floor of the shower -- they're saying that when he was sitting in that position, that could've been when she started stabbing him. If the shot did indeed come last, I too am mystified as to why she shot him. Maybe to make it look like it was a huge self defense struggle, and to imply that she tried to shoot him - but he kept coming at her so she 'had to stab him' then...?

The only injuries she said she had was to her finger - that it was cut. And this is after she said he bodied slammed her to a hard tile floor, they had a massive struggle etc. If she did stab him first, I'm surprised she didn't have way more obvious injuries bc he is HUGE compared to her. I almost think it went down like this, given how few injuries she had: she tried first to stab him in the shower, he was injured but functioning and got up, she got the gun and shot him, he went down and was dying, she then proceeded to stab him in extreme rage - hence, the 29 stab wounds.

I had no idea of any of this, I haven't heard any of the defense, I started with the tapes of the prosecuting attorney, and they haven't gotten this far. Again, if this was planned it takes it to a whole other level. So far I can easily see her enraged, because someone cheats on her, but then to kill him purposefully because of it, is so horrible. I've been hearing testimony about the gas cans. I'm finally guessing that the gas cans might be some type of proof of premeditation? She was going to burn the evidence because her story of saving money is crazy. Watched Nancy Grace last night and Jodi's friend Bryan Carr says Jodi expects that she will get off on a hung jury, then upon re-trial she'll get manslaughter and time served (5 years). I hope these jurors are brighter than this. Your story resonates with me better than any of the others I've read, shooting him last. Her phone calls with him are just creepy, there's no way he likes her, he seems bored out of his mind talking to her even though there are talking about sex.

Yorkietalkjilly on the Nancy Grace show I head that in AZ prosecutors can recross examine and even jurors are able to ask her questions, that should be interesting, I like that rule.


Since they were talking about Jodi's My Space page hers and Travis's pages up. Here's his page, it seems funny that he didn't have any pictures of her.Travis on Myspace On her blog page, she has a bunch of inspirational quotes, saying that "The following has thrown a little light on the path for me. May it do the same for you if not more..." Apparently, she like to inspire people! They are a little creepy to read, knowing she did what she did. Travis comments, "You are as enlightened as you are beautiful. Those were some good ones. Some I have never seen before even." Jodi Arias | blog on Myspace Again, I don't seen any evidence that he cared for her at all.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm not from here, I know so little about the state. I thought the defense attorney's always finished last, but I only know that from Casey's trial. Some of the shots of jurors faces are priceless!

I had never heard of this until I heard that yesterday when someone on the Jane Velez-Mitchell show said that. Tried looking it up but couldn't find anything. I sure hope the prosecutor does can another chance.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm not from here, I know so little about the state. I thought the defense attorney's always finished last, but I only know that from Casey's trial. Some of the shots of jurors faces are priceless!

I didn't think they were allowed to show the jury on TV during a trial.