I think I just bought a puppy mill Pup :( - Page 5 - YorkieTalk.com Forums

crb · 08-01-2007, 09:25 AM

Your precious baby is too cute....I don't know how you can look at that face and even think about resenting him for his size.

No one can tell you exactly how much your baby will weigh, anyone can guesstimate, just by looking at mom and dad but even then you have these puppies that come out of no where and end up larger than all other littermates. Believe me, I breed, and my Maxy (6.1 lbs) is nearly twice the size of his sister Layla (3.8 lbs), and all other puppies that have come from same mom and dad. He's also bigger than mom and dad; we kept him for ourselves and not because we couldn't sell him. He actually was sold but then returned after 3 months because he was purchased for an 18 yr. old girl who didn't have the time to spend with him, she was heartbroken and still comes by to visit every so often, but that's another story.

And as far as weight goes, you can still have a 6 pounder and it still be compact in size. My Kylie weighs 6 lbs, and she is shorter and not as long as Maxy who weighs 6.1 lbs.

I hope everything works out for you.

punkie · 08-01-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

Lacy is really a great size and I wouldn't trade her for anything! She is the best dog

She's so cute

punkie · 08-01-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chelle

Nobody, not even a vet, can truly guess the weight a puppy will be all grown up. Initially my vet estimated my Eury was going to be 6 to 7 lbs, and since then the estimate has changed a few times. Her current estimate is 3 to 4 lbs (based on the fact that she is almost 5 months and about 2 lbs.)

I'm not sure how tiny of a dog you wanted, but remember if they are too tiny they tend to have many problems. Also, you may have had in your mind an ideal weight of like 3 lbs, but believe me 6/7 lbs is not all that big. To give you an idea, most cats are 10 to 15 lbs.

I agree you should report him as he promised you something he couldn't necessarily guarantee. The closest guarantee is the parents weight, but even then that doesn't always prove anything. I have a friend who's Yorkie is 11 pounds, her parents were 5 and 6 lbs... she got the growth gene LOL

To be honest I would say, wait and see... you're little one may just surprise you and be the tiny dog you wanted.

I was hoping for one that would be about 3 lbs and 4 at the most. So, not super tiny or anything. It just sucks that I was lied to and taken advantage of.

punkie · 08-01-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pepe mint

I see how you feel that you have that "right" but what bothers me the most is that you actually paid for it., I mean..if someone leases a house from me, gives me their rent money, and a week later says "no, i don't like the floorplan, never mind"...well, i'm sorry but you signed an agreement and gave me money. bottom line, you should not have given him the money for the pup if he was not what you were looking for. you said that you saw all the signs there...but yet you still gave him a lot of money ( more than what I paid for my Maggie) and walked out with a puppy that you personally chose. if you were not happy you should not have handed him your money, and you should not have walked out with that puppy. so, as horrible as what he is doing is.,..you are partly at fault here. yes, you should report him. yes, he is horrible. yes, you should have walked away with no puppy. I looked for almost 6 years for a yorkie...all i ever found was backyard breeders and puppy mills. i REFUSED to buy one from them. i wanted a pup that was bred and raised in a home with a family. not in a cage...so that is what i got. period. if I had bought one of the puppy's at the flea market, or at the many many puppy mills and byb's that i visited, i would have no right to complain if the puppy didn't turn out to be what i was hoping for.

JMO

Well, I guess you are just a better person than I am then. That's what you were hoping to hear right?

TLC · 08-01-2007, 11:26 AM

I agree with you that is does suck that you were lied too.

But I honestly have to say, I am soooooooooooooooooooo happy with TJ and Roxy - They are 7 lbs and 5 lbs - They truly are perfect!

I also have a maltese/yorkie mix. She is approx. 15 months old. She is the SAME size as TJ...BUT she only weighs 3.5 lbs. She has a petite frame, but she is the same height and length as TJ

So there you go...When you look at TJ and Cuddles together, you have NO IDEA that one weighs 2x the weight as the other!

I say keep him, he sounds like a love bug!

punkie · 08-01-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiekids

You could get your money back, or trade him for a smaller pup, but atleast according to you vet he's healthy. Do you love him already? If you do I'd keep him, and he'll love you in return. What's size anyway. What matters is whats inside.

Well, the contract that I signed says that I can only have an exchange in case of a health issue or a matter of size. Maybe I could ask him for part of the money back, since I really don't feel comfortable giving him back the puppy anyway. Who knows where he'll end up if I give him back.

I bought him this new food yesterday because he was on Eukanuba and I read that it's not the greatest. So I got a bag of Innova brand puppy food. It was a 6.6 lbs bag and as I was carrying the food I realized that if my dog got as heavy as that, it would just be too difficult for me to carry him around. unfortunately I have a pretty busy lifestyle which would require me to carry him around quite a bit. So that could be a problem. My arms and shoulders are kind of not the healthiest or strongest.

Sookie · 08-01-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiekids

You could get your money back, or trade him for a smaller pup, but atleast according to you vet he's healthy. Do you love him already? If you do I'd keep him, and he'll love you in return. What's size anyway. What matters is whats inside.

Obviously she doesn't love him or she wouldn't be talking about giving him back based on the fact that he'll probably be bigger than 3 or 4 pounds.

Punkie - I think you should give him back because you'll never be happy with him if he's "too big" and so it's best for him to find someone to love him for what he is - no matter what. Worrying about a pound or two sounds pretty shallow to me.

I'm sorry if someone is upset with this but I couldn't keep my mouth shut any longer. So, lambaste me if you want, but that's my opinion.

Good luck with whatever you decide though, Punkie. This whole post makes me wonder - have we all been Punk'd?

punkie · 08-01-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jody Renfroe

His pictures are precious! He looks so sweet and innocent. I hope you can fall in love with him...after all, he's the innocent party in this and just needs someone to cherish him and give him a wonderful life. These babies give back ten-fold what you give to them. Good luck!

I know what you mean and I feel just terrible for him. I hate that this guy probably counted on the fact that I would become attached to the puppy and not want to give him back. And I would never give the puppy back to him anyway. So I guess he wins after all

punkie · 08-01-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by celstu1

As hard as something is to do, the best thing to have done in that situation with all the questionable things the guy said to you is walk away without the puppy and find a reputable breeder that you trust. But you didnt, and you say you have a beautiful healthy happy baby boy... so at this point I would just love him to pieces and watch him grow up to be a beautiful healthy happy little man!!

Good Luck!!

Well, I have actually been searching for a Yorkie for about a year and every reputable reeder who showed their dogs and had champion bloodlines asked for so much more than the puppy mill guy. I just couldn't justify spending $2000-$3500 for a puppy. Even what I paid or him was pushing it. So I did talk to plenty of good breeders. All they had to offer me for what I was willing to pay was grown up dogs or ones that would be really big.

pepe mint · 08-01-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by punkie

Well, I guess you are just a better person than I am then. That's what you were hoping to hear right?

no, that really isn't what i was trying to say. i post on this board a lot and i think people will vouch for me that i am not a shallow person and i don't try to bring myself up by putting others down. so don't take it that way. i just feel horrible for your puppy. you don't want him because of his size...you want the breeder to compensate you based on his "probable" size, when all in all, YOU bought him! you picked HIM from the litter...and from all of the other potential breeders you could have gone to...especially for that amount of money. all i am saying is that i really don't think you have a leg to stand on. i do think you should turn the breeder in. but i don't see you getting any money from him. you made the decision to buy the puppy, the breeder didn't force you to do so.

i also agree with the above poster that you should find him a new home...someone that will love him regardless of size. if i had the money to give you that you paid for him, i would take him in a heartbeat. but i don't. i do hope you find him a great home...OR i hope that you can fall in love with him regardless of size, coloring, or anything else that may not go as planned.

punkie · 08-01-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by puppy_Love08

When we bought our Maltese (from a puppy mill out of ignorance), his parents looked small; however, our dog grew to 11 pounds - WAY over the norm for a Maltese. But we loved every pound of him and gave him a great home until we lost him a couple of weeks ago.

I'm very sorry for your loss. I'm sure he enjoyed every day of his life with you.

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Originally Posted by puppy_Love08

But if you don't feel that you can love him and treat him as you should because he's not what you wanted, by all means, allow someone else to give him a good life and love him regardless of his weight.

I would never treat my dog badly because he was big, but I couldn't do as many things as I want with him. I couldn't take him everywhere like I wanted to and I'm not home that much. I wanted a tiny dog so I could take him everywhere with me. I also resent the fact that I didn't get what I wanted.

punkie · 08-01-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by vviccles1

I totally agree! I hope you keep the pup and learn your lesson,so its a giant yorkie(only kidding) its still a wonderlful big hearted, loving, feistylittle yorkie that truly needs you! Good luuck1 Have you named him?

No I haven't named him yet. I've been trying not to bond with him, because I'm sure yet what I'm doing with him. My boyfriend has bonded with him more than I have.

punkie · 08-01-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wengaroni

i can't agree more. my bf looked around for a whole year before finding mocha for me and i couldn't be happier.

I looked around for year too.

pepe mint · 08-01-2007, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by punkie

I'm very sorry for your loss. I'm sure he enjoyed every day of his life with you.

I would never treat my dog badly because he was big, but I couldn't do as many things as I want with him. I couldn't take him everywhere like I wanted to and I'm not home that much. I wanted a tiny dog so I could take him everywhere with me. I also resent the fact that I didn't get what I wanted.

i wish i could convince you of how small a 5 or 6 lbs dog really is. maggie is pushing 6 lbs and she goes EVERYWHERE with me. i have left her home a handful of times and that is only because i was going to a restaraunt. otherwise, she goes with me!! and i carry her. i am not a big, or strong person either. i think when you get them as puppies, and you take them everywhere with you...their weight grows with you. it's like having a kid...you don't realize how much they are changing until you look at a picture of them and say "wow...where did the time go??" it's because you are around them all the time. kinda a different scenario here but the same point...you will not notice that your pup weighs in at 5 lbs. or 6 lbs. i promise!!! i have carried maggie through many flea markets and never felt the need to put her down, besides to let her potty. and i'm lazy

if it feels strenuous to me, i won't do it LOL

littlewhip · 08-01-2007, 11:53 AM

You mentoined you tryed comparing him to a bag of food to carry around, ok i have 4 babies and only one arm and guess what , I can carry 2 at a time

is it difficult, yup but i love every mininut of it, i can give and do give just as much love to my furkids as the next, what im trying to tell you is , its not about the size, its about the love and joy they give you

I do hope you keep him, he is a doll,but if its not in your heart then you must rehome him.

08-01-2007, 09:25 AM	#61
crb Luvin' 6 Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bryan/College Station, TX Posts: 1,606	Weight doesn't matter Your precious baby is too cute....I don't know how you can look at that face and even think about resenting him for his size. No one can tell you exactly how much your baby will weigh, anyone can guesstimate, just by looking at mom and dad but even then you have these puppies that come out of no where and end up larger than all other littermates. Believe me, I breed, and my Maxy (6.1 lbs) is nearly twice the size of his sister Layla (3.8 lbs), and all other puppies that have come from same mom and dad. He's also bigger than mom and dad; we kept him for ourselves and not because we couldn't sell him. He actually was sold but then returned after 3 months because he was purchased for an 18 yr. old girl who didn't have the time to spend with him, she was heartbroken and still comes by to visit every so often, but that's another story. And as far as weight goes, you can still have a 6 pounder and it still be compact in size. My Kylie weighs 6 lbs, and she is shorter and not as long as Maxy who weighs 6.1 lbs. I hope everything works out for you.

08-01-2007, 11:26 AM	#65
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	I agree with you that is does suck that you were lied too. But I honestly have to say, I am soooooooooooooooooooo happy with TJ and Roxy - They are 7 lbs and 5 lbs - They truly are perfect! I also have a maltese/yorkie mix. She is approx. 15 months old. She is the SAME size as TJ...BUT she only weighs 3.5 lbs. She has a petite frame, but she is the same height and length as TJ So there you go...When you look at TJ and Cuddles together, you have NO IDEA that one weighs 2x the weight as the other! I say keep him, he sounds like a love bug! __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

08-01-2007, 11:53 AM	#75
littlewhip Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: wiith my furbabys Posts: 8,874	You mentoined you tryed comparing him to a bag of food to carry around, ok i have 4 babies and only one arm and guess what , I can carry 2 at a time is it difficult, yup but i love every mininut of it, i can give and do give just as much love to my furkids as the next, what im trying to tell you is , its not about the size, its about the love and joy they give you I do hope you keep him, he is a doll,but if its not in your heart then you must rehome him. __________________