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MCAM · 11-28-2006, 09:33 PM

I have actually taken my yorkie poo Coco in a carrier to Target several times, you see people saying " ahhh look theres a puppy in there, how cute and on check out the employee say "Can I take a peek at the cute puppy?So far they have been very nice about it, don't know how long it will last but so far all is well...

Mimi

romeos mommy · 11-28-2006, 09:52 PM

target needs to chill. aren't they from france where dogs are allowed everywhere even restaurants??

you can get cute service animal tags here
http://www.doggydmv.com/index.htm

sitstay.com has sew on patches

you can register your dog here
http://affluent.net/sara/sara1.htm

Bruce's_Mom · 11-28-2006, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rachelsyorkie

I suffered from depression for along time. Now that I have my yorkie I have been pretty good, but I do get depressed when I leave her home or have to leave her in the car. So she is a theraputic pet to me. I guess I was more wondering how to get the paper work. I have done all the other things you all have talked about,lol. Sometimes I will ask at a gas station or whatever when I go in I'll say I was gonna show you my puppy but wasnt sure you allowed pets & they say yea or nea, then I'll remember I can bring her in. Sounds like a visit to the doctor may get me a perscription & the proof would be in all the past visits I had for depression that I no longer need. Thank God for Yorkies & Beer,lol. Can I get a Amen! LMAO

YOU DO NOT NEED PAPERWORK!!! Under the Americans with Disabilities Act legally all a public venue can ask you is if the animal is a service animal or not, and what they are trained to do for you. It is legitimate to say that your animal keeps you stable and oriented to public environments and that is it. They may try to kick you out but if they do they are violating the law, and most chains stores, etc know that. I do not encourage just anyone to use that, because it makes areas less accessible to even service animals when there are a lot of people lying, but truthfully that is all you have to say.

yorkiegirl83 · 01-23-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce's_Mom

YOU DO NOT NEED PAPERWORK!!! Under the Americans with Disabilities Act legally all a public venue can ask you is if the animal is a service animal or not, and what they are trained to do for you. It is legitimate to say that your animal keeps you stable and oriented to public environments and that is it. They may try to kick you out but if they do they are violating the law, and most chains stores, etc know that. I do not encourage just anyone to use that, because it makes areas less accessible to even service animals when there are a lot of people lying, but truthfully that is all you have to say.

Thank you for posting this. Just recently (within the last year) I've developed panic disorder and it's extremely hard for me to go places, especially places by myself. I AM on meds and in therapy but for some reason one of the most helpful things to me is having one of my dogs with me. They keep my mood regulated and keep me in the "present" if that makes sense. it's good to know that paperwork isn't a necessity.

terisuebernie · 02-28-2007, 05:55 AM

Years ago, my mother was sued by someone when her german shepherd attacked two toy poodles. The court ruled that the toy poodles were "personal property" because they were under 10 lbs. and they were allowed to go EVERYWHERE because they were considered personal property. Does anyone know a lawyer or anything about the law that can be checked. I've tried to check it out in Pennsylvania but haven't gotten very far. Maybe I'll email Cindy Adams and see what she knows! We are trying to go to the South Caroline, Myrtle Beach, and can't find a "nice" hotel that will take my baby! It stinks.

PANAMA69 · 02-28-2007, 05:11 PM

When I got Pheobe, I didn't know

that dog are not allowed in stores like Target, and I was there every weekend with Pheobe and nobody said a word, they just look at me and smile. Now I look for sign, or I will ask, 99% they will say yes, no problem as long she is on her carrier is fine.

HisNameIsHarley · 02-28-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce's_Mom

YOU DO NOT NEED PAPERWORK!!! Under the Americans with Disabilities Act legally all a public venue can ask you is if the animal is a service animal or not, and what they are trained to do for you. It is legitimate to say that your animal keeps you stable and oriented to public environments and that is it. They may try to kick you out but if they do they are violating the law, and most chains stores, etc know that. I do not encourage just anyone to use that, because it makes areas less accessible to even service animals when there are a lot of people lying, but truthfully that is all you have to say.

That is true because I met a lady who brought her large dog into Walmart and a lot of people were trying to stop her so I stopped to talk to her and she said he is her stress dog. She said she didn't need paperwork to prove it and simply stated that the dog kept her sane and that if he wasn't with her she would totally freak out and either hurt herself or others?

Yeek.. That was enough to make me leave her alone

AngieDoogles · 02-28-2007, 06:15 PM

I agree. A puppy is the best thing in the world when you are depressed. They need no explanation, they're patient, and they kiss away your tears! Marty was my lifesaver when I was feeling down.

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Originally Posted by rachelsyorkie

I suffered from depression for along time. Now that I have my yorkie I have been pretty good, but I do get depressed when I leave her home or have to leave her in the car. So she is a theraputic pet to me. I guess I was more wondering how to get the paper work. I have done all the other things you all have talked about,lol. Sometimes I will ask at a gas station or whatever when I go in I'll say I was gonna show you my puppy but wasnt sure you allowed pets & they say yea or nea, then I'll remember I can bring her in. Sounds like a visit to the doctor may get me a perscription & the proof would be in all the past visits I had for depression that I no longer need. Thank God for Yorkies & Beer,lol. Can I get a Amen! LMAO

bornnygurl · 02-28-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by terisuebernie

Years ago, my mother was sued by someone when her german shepherd attacked two toy poodles. The court ruled that the toy poodles were "personal property" because they were under 10 lbs. and they were allowed to go EVERYWHERE because they were considered personal property. Does anyone know a lawyer or anything about the law that can be checked. I've tried to check it out in Pennsylvania but haven't gotten very far. Maybe I'll email Cindy Adams and see what she knows! We are trying to go to the South Caroline, Myrtle Beach, and can't find a "nice" hotel that will take my baby! It stinks.

That is very interesting. I would ike to know about this as well.

HisNameIsHarley · 03-02-2007, 04:33 AM

I talked to my boss (because she raised Guiding Eyes dogs for over 15 years) and she said that people can take their animals into stores and state that they are their therapy dogs but if they are challenged by the manager to show proof they must provide paperwork that also includes a contact number for verification from their doctor stating that this dog is in fact their therapy dog. No one however, has the right to ask 'what is wrong with you'. If someone cannot provide the proper paperwork, then they can be asked to leave.

I think this is fair.

Please feel free to skip the following - It's kind of my way of venting.

I suffer from bipolar disorder, depression and panic attacks. I stopped attending college because of it. And now I'm wondering if I could go back if I had him at my side to help me. I'm not some crazy person but I have a hard time just functioning in everyday situations that would seem like nothing to most of you. Going to Walmart or out to dinner with all those people or going to classes on campus, or going to the movies etc are all huge challenges for me. I've always wondered if I would do a little better if I had one of my furry compainions with me. I work at a dog shelter with a pretty highstress job and I deal with a lot of nasty, short tempered people. (we have a low cost spay/neuter program and I think some people feel the need to get defensive and nasty when they use our program because I guess they feel like we look down on them) I would have expected to have a harder time dealing with it but I do just fine at work. And I believe it's because every day, no matter what, there is a dog at my feet while I'm in my office. I plan to discuss this with my doctor sometime next month. Although, I think it would be neat to let everyone take their dogs anywhere, I worry about it being abused. Even now with me considering to ask my doctor for a 'prescription for my dog' I almost feel selfish. Like I'm trying to seem more important than others. But I guess, in the end if having him with me allows me and others to actually get through the day without a panic attack, and maybe one day even get through the day without needing a handful of prescriptions.. Then I think it's worth it..

SasquatchMommy · 04-19-2007, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terisuebernie

Years ago, my mother was sued by someone when her german shepherd attacked two toy poodles. The court ruled that the toy poodles were "personal property" because they were under 10 lbs. and they were allowed to go EVERYWHERE because they were considered personal property. Does anyone know a lawyer or anything about the law that can be checked. I've tried to check it out in Pennsylvania but haven't gotten very far. Maybe I'll email Cindy Adams and see what she knows! We are trying to go to the South Caroline, Myrtle Beach, and can't find a "nice" hotel that will take my baby! It stinks.

Most states follow the rule that dogs and other domestic animals are personal property. This isn't very helpful as far as bringing them along with you, however. UNFORTUNATELY! Most policies regarding dogs are due to health reasons, and are for safety. An analogy would be a gun is your personal property, but there are certain restrictions regarding where you can take it (I don't own guns, just trying to make an analogy). I would do a search for "pet friendly hotels" on the net - I have found some good sites that list hotels by city that allow pets.
One more note - Pets being personal property may not be a good thing. The way the laws are (at least in Virginia), if your pet is in a purse style carrier, and you have it on your arm, and someone comes up to you and intentionally hits the carrier, they have committed a battery on YOU, and you can press charges for battery. IF your puppy is on a leash, or is not "attached" to you, and they come up and kick your puppy, arguably the puppy is "personal property" and you would not recover as much. I know I feel like my Sassy is much more than personal property. She's my BABY!

Anyway - I take Sassy with me in her carrier EVERYWHERE. I'm not scared, and I'm not being sneaky, I just hate to leave her alone. If there is a sign that says no dogs, I'll leave her at home, but otherwise I'm taking her until I'm told I can't!

Chato's Mama · 04-19-2007, 07:34 AM

I would love to take my babies everywhere but unfortunately we CANT! I am not disabled and I WOULD NOT falsify my dogs to be in service just for my willing of taking my dogs with me. Think about the people that are in real needs of a service dogs. I think that if we just want to take them somewhere simply get inside the store and do like if nothing was happening. If they ask you to leave JUST LEAVE!!!!!!!!! there is people that are terribly allergic to dogs and they deserve to shop as well. I do not think that it is right to register your dog as service just because!!!!! PLease lets cool down . I woulld love to take them everywhere but we just cant make it. Imagine if you had to eat around smokers just because they want to.. would we like that??????

JCarlson2004 · 04-19-2007, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce's_Mom

YOU DO NOT NEED PAPERWORK!!! Under the Americans with Disabilities Act legally all a public venue can ask you is if the animal is a service animal or not, and what they are trained to do for you. It is legitimate to say that your animal keeps you stable and oriented to public environments and that is it. They may try to kick you out but if they do they are violating the law, and most chains stores, etc know that. I do not encourage just anyone to use that, because it makes areas less accessible to even service animals when there are a lot of people lying, but truthfully that is all you have to say.

You are correct, you do NOT need paperwork. BUT it does make it a heck of a lot easier!! I had so much trouble before I had my dogs officially registered!! It's not a big expense and it was definitely worth it in the end because it's so much easier now.

Calmom · 04-19-2007, 08:20 AM

I just have one more thought to add...some people are allergic to animals, even Yorkshire terriers.

Even a dog in a carrier could cause a serious reaction, in fact I would say a hidden dog is more of a danger than one out in the open that a person might be able to avoid.

If I go into a house, shop or even an outdoor area where a cat has been, I not only have allergies but asthma, I have had to be hospitalised at times.

I know people who are just as allergic/asthmatic around dogs.

I am not saying we banned all service dogs, however, it is unfair to say one handicap, condition or illness is more worthy of consideration than another.

Asthma can be immediately life threatening, to sneak a dog into a place where a person believes there are no dogs could make someone very ill. I ask respectfully that you all consider that before taking your dog into a place where they are not allowed.

BamaFan121s · 04-19-2007, 09:08 AM

My opinion is this: If you truly NEED your dog for whatever reason--disability, therapy dog, etc--then by all means have them registered and take them with you. However, if there is no medical reason (other than a self diagnosed, "I'm just happier when I'm with my dogs") stating you have to be accompanied by your beloved be then for Pete's sake, get over it and leave them at home! It is very disturbing that people blatantly LIE to take advantage of a system that was put in place for the benefit of a group of people who truly require the assistance of a dog all because they can't stand to leave Fifi at home and think the they are above the rules. I wish people WERE required to show proof when asked by store owners! I bet it would put a stop to the LIARS who use that as their cover. It's no different from someone who is perfectly able bodied parking in a handicap spot when they don't need it.
I don't know why stores forbid from coming in, but it's not my place to say. Rules are rules and they aren't my rules to set. Maybe it is because people are allergic or even deathly afraid of animals, or because the store owner is afraid of a mess. I know that I have seen the ER several times because of my husband's extreme allergies to cats. I would hate to think that I caused that for someone else because I just had to sneak my dog into Target with me. (And yes, I realize people are allergic to perfume and hairspray and they can't avoid that blah blah blah, please spare that lecture.)

I guess no matter how many times the subject comes up, the "I don't care
I'm gonna do what I want and take my dog with me anyway because the rules don't apply to me" attitude is still a shock and enough to get my blood pressure up. (Maybe I need a service dog for that...)

11-28-2006, 09:52 PM	#32
romeos mommy YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pennsauken , NJ Posts: 4,068	target needs to chill. aren't they from france where dogs are allowed everywhere even restaurants?? you can get cute service animal tags here http://www.doggydmv.com/index.htm sitstay.com has sew on patches you can register your dog here http://affluent.net/sara/sara1.htm __________________ Bernadette & Romeo

02-28-2007, 05:55 AM	#35
terisuebernie Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2005 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 23	Dog laws - Personal Property? Years ago, my mother was sued by someone when her german shepherd attacked two toy poodles. The court ruled that the toy poodles were "personal property" because they were under 10 lbs. and they were allowed to go EVERYWHERE because they were considered personal property. Does anyone know a lawyer or anything about the law that can be checked. I've tried to check it out in Pennsylvania but haven't gotten very far. Maybe I'll email Cindy Adams and see what she knows! We are trying to go to the South Caroline, Myrtle Beach, and can't find a "nice" hotel that will take my baby! It stinks.

03-02-2007, 04:33 AM	#40
HisNameIsHarley YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,119	I talked to my boss (because she raised Guiding Eyes dogs for over 15 years) and she said that people can take their animals into stores and state that they are their therapy dogs but if they are challenged by the manager to show proof they must provide paperwork that also includes a contact number for verification from their doctor stating that this dog is in fact their therapy dog. No one however, has the right to ask 'what is wrong with you'. If someone cannot provide the proper paperwork, then they can be asked to leave. I think this is fair. Please feel free to skip the following - It's kind of my way of venting. I suffer from bipolar disorder, depression and panic attacks. I stopped attending college because of it. And now I'm wondering if I could go back if I had him at my side to help me. I'm not some crazy person but I have a hard time just functioning in everyday situations that would seem like nothing to most of you. Going to Walmart or out to dinner with all those people or going to classes on campus, or going to the movies etc are all huge challenges for me. I've always wondered if I would do a little better if I had one of my furry compainions with me. I work at a dog shelter with a pretty highstress job and I deal with a lot of nasty, short tempered people. (we have a low cost spay/neuter program and I think some people feel the need to get defensive and nasty when they use our program because I guess they feel like we look down on them) I would have expected to have a harder time dealing with it but I do just fine at work. And I believe it's because every day, no matter what, there is a dog at my feet while I'm in my office. I plan to discuss this with my doctor sometime next month. Although, I think it would be neat to let everyone take their dogs anywhere, I worry about it being abused. Even now with me considering to ask my doctor for a 'prescription for my dog' I almost feel selfish. Like I'm trying to seem more important than others. But I guess, in the end if having him with me allows me and others to actually get through the day without a panic attack, and maybe one day even get through the day without needing a handful of prescriptions.. Then I think it's worth it.. __________________ LeeAnn Harley Remember.. Dog is God Spelled Backwards

11-28-2006, 09:33 PM	#31
MCAM Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: everywhere Posts: 51	I have actually taken my yorkie poo Coco in a carrier to Target several times, you see people saying " ahhh look theres a puppy in there, how cute and on check out the employee say "Can I take a peek at the cute puppy?So far they have been very nice about it, don't know how long it will last but so far all is well... Mimi

02-28-2007, 05:11 PM	#36
PANAMA69 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: ~~YorkieWorld~~ Posts: 8,428	When I got Pheobe, I didn't know that dog are not allowed in stores like Target, and I was there every weekend with Pheobe and nobody said a word, they just look at me and smile. Now I look for sign, or I will ask, 99% they will say yes, no problem as long she is on her carrier is fine.

04-19-2007, 07:34 AM	#42
Chato's Mama Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: kentucky Posts: 133	I would love to take my babies everywhere but unfortunately we CANT! I am not disabled and I WOULD NOT falsify my dogs to be in service just for my willing of taking my dogs with me. Think about the people that are in real needs of a service dogs. I think that if we just want to take them somewhere simply get inside the store and do like if nothing was happening. If they ask you to leave JUST LEAVE!!!!!!!!! there is people that are terribly allergic to dogs and they deserve to shop as well. I do not think that it is right to register your dog as service just because!!!!! PLease lets cool down . I woulld love to take them everywhere but we just cant make it. Imagine if you had to eat around smokers just because they want to.. would we like that??????

04-19-2007, 08:20 AM	#44
Calmom Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 34	I just have one more thought to add...some people are allergic to animals, even Yorkshire terriers. Even a dog in a carrier could cause a serious reaction, in fact I would say a hidden dog is more of a danger than one out in the open that a person might be able to avoid. If I go into a house, shop or even an outdoor area where a cat has been, I not only have allergies but asthma, I have had to be hospitalised at times. I know people who are just as allergic/asthmatic around dogs. I am not saying we banned all service dogs, however, it is unfair to say one handicap, condition or illness is more worthy of consideration than another. Asthma can be immediately life threatening, to sneak a dog into a place where a person believes there are no dogs could make someone very ill. I ask respectfully that you all consider that before taking your dog into a place where they are not allowed.

04-19-2007, 09:08 AM	#45
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	My opinion is this: If you truly NEED your dog for whatever reason--disability, therapy dog, etc--then by all means have them registered and take them with you. However, if there is no medical reason (other than a self diagnosed, "I'm just happier when I'm with my dogs") stating you have to be accompanied by your beloved be then for Pete's sake, get over it and leave them at home! It is very disturbing that people blatantly LIE to take advantage of a system that was put in place for the benefit of a group of people who truly require the assistance of a dog all because they can't stand to leave Fifi at home and think the they are above the rules. I wish people WERE required to show proof when asked by store owners! I bet it would put a stop to the LIARS who use that as their cover. It's no different from someone who is perfectly able bodied parking in a handicap spot when they don't need it. I don't know why stores forbid from coming in, but it's not my place to say. Rules are rules and they aren't my rules to set. Maybe it is because people are allergic or even deathly afraid of animals, or because the store owner is afraid of a mess. I know that I have seen the ER several times because of my husband's extreme allergies to cats. I would hate to think that I caused that for someone else because I just had to sneak my dog into Target with me. (And yes, I realize people are allergic to perfume and hairspray and they can't avoid that blah blah blah, please spare that lecture.) I guess no matter how many times the subject comes up, the "I don't care I'm gonna do what I want and take my dog with me anyway because the rules don't apply to me" attitude is still a shock and enough to get my blood pressure up. (Maybe I need a service dog for that...)