Rescue dog vs Breeder

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by SirTeddykins

People have criticized me for buying a purebred dog but those people were the same people who bought from BYB and even told me that I could have gotten my dog 'cheaper' elsewhere. I have never told anyone, apart from you all on YT, how much I paid for Teddy. So, there are some strange perspectives from others re: rescues, breeders and what I call 'true breeders' who breed for the betterment of a particular breed.


I do not feel guilty for buying Teddy from a breeder who is part of Englands Kennel Club and is also president of the Yorkshire Terrier Club of England and who is also a Crufts show judge and international show judge. I have been called a 'snob' for sourcing him in the way I did which I find extremely disappointing. I made sure that I went to the people dedicated to preserving the standards of the Yorkshire Terrier and who ensure that his health, and his parents health, are paramount.


I have heard appalling things re: shelters and I have heard appalling things re: 'breeders'. Recently, we all learned of the lengths people will go to when that poor Irish setter was poisoned during a Crufts dog show. So, evil can manifest even from those dedicated to preserving a breed.


I would say, therefore, that research needs to be undertaken to analyze the source of any animal. Reckless breeding leads to shelters, life events, etc., it's true. But the animals in shelters are just as deserving of love as any other animal.


The ONLY thing I disagree with are those people who set out to breed with no prior experience and no desire to better a breed. The people who breed for money or 'just because they wanted to' really do offend me with their ignorance. But, all we can try to do is educate to ensure that these shelters populations reduce because it is cruel to leave dogs in a cage with no certainty of a happy life which they deserve all because someone 'wanted a puppy'.

I don't know why you would be criticized for buying .. it really is no one's business.

As for rescues who think everyone should adopt, that is just some rescues and/or rescuers. Not everyone wants to adopt....they love having a puppy and raising him/her. Nothing wrong with that. I have guided people who have asked for information about where to buy a puppy.

I do believe it is important to speak out against bad and indiscriminate breeding. That is for the good of everyone and the pups.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

That last comment is actually not true. A legitimate rescue is very upfront about what they do. If a rescue is 501c3 you can always look up their 990s at GuideStar nonprofit reports and Forms 990 for donors, grantmakers, and businesses Their money is reportable and they must be accountable. That paperwork alone does not make a group reputable but it does make them account for funds coming in and expenditures.

I'd agree with you 100%, IF, no one ever cheated on their taxes.

I stand by my last comment as being 100% fact!
"I applaud the work of the legitimate rescues, but, only they would truly know their numbers."

A good waitress is still a good waitress even if she doesn't report every dime of her tips. So, I wouldn't condemn a rescue for a little fudge on the paper work now and then. It's just those real greedy bastards that have made it into a paying hobby that have people so irked. They would be the illegitimate ones.

I'll add, any rescue or shelter that gets an otherwise unwanted dog into a loving and caring home is ok in my book. Keep up the good work LJ.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

I'd agree with you 100%, IF, no one ever cheated on their taxes.

I stand by my last comment as being 100% fact!
"I applaud the work of the legitimate rescues, but, only they would truly know their numbers."

A good waitress is still a good waitress even if she doesn't report every dime of her tips. So, I wouldn't condemn a rescue for a little fudge on the paper work now and then. It's just those real greedy bastards that have made it into a paying hobby that have people so irked. They would be the illegitimate ones.

I'll add, any rescue or shelter that gets an otherwise unwanted dog into a loving and caring home is ok in my book. Keep up the good work LJ.

Yes, there are cheaters everywhere. I think what I was really trying to say is the most who do what YHR does, really don't have money to cheat with. One look at the 990s would show that. You cannot fudge expenses if they are paid directly for vet care. And anyone who thinks a rescue can make money over the amount that some rescues pay for vettting needs to try to do the same.

I agree that there are bad ones....just as there is bad in everything. Very sad .. I wish all rescues were accountable to some kind of standard rules....same thing for breeders. But, as you know, any time you try to regulate anything animal related, people come out with their fangs and claws out.

Thanks Mark.

[Verbena]

As long as you have done your research and get a pup from a reputable breeder. You should not feel bad about it. I am proud that I got Galen that way ! . . . I have also adopted from shelter. My Saber is from a shelter. Bottom line is . . . This pup is going to be yours. You are taking care of him. Do what is best for you and your family. Never let someone make you feel guilty. Good luck finding your new family member

[MarkFromSea]

LOL Doesn't have to be animal related! Damn Mukelshoots shut down a major portion of Puget Sound to chinook salmon retention this year. Just announced last night, anglers are going to be frothing at the bit when the news becomes wide spread this summer. OH, I just noticed... LOL That's animal related too! LOL A fish is an animal! A tasty one! The fangs will come out on this one!

In those search results I posted above, this popped up: https://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/31908952 Lenny, is a Texas dog advertised for Eugene, OR.... if adopted, an additional transport fee is added, available for adoption all the way out to Everett, WA. What is your thought about the org handling Lenny's adoption? It's missing the face to face before adoption, I don't like it. Could easily turn out bad for either the new owner or the dog.

I'll check back later, gotta run!

[Rachael1983]

The choice for me breeder over rescue comes from our lifestyle. Some rescues have criteria and I know we wouldn't meet those. And also I have a child, so I believe that if you raise from puppyhood it's better for children (i do know that's not always the case) but it's worked for us.

I do think people look at me crazy when I say I looked for a breeder but it's my money, my choices and none of their business.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

That last comment is actually not true. A legitimate rescue is very upfront about what they do. If a rescue is 501c3 you can always look up their 990s at GuideStar nonprofit reports and Forms 990 for donors, grantmakers, and businesses Their money is reportable and they must be accountable. That paperwork alone does not make a group reputable but it does make them account for funds coming in and expenditures.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I don't know why you would be criticized for buying .. it really is no one's business.

As for rescues who think everyone should adopt, that is just some rescues and/or rescuers. Not everyone wants to adopt....they love having a puppy and raising him/her. Nothing wrong with that. I have guided people who have asked for information about where to buy a puppy.

I do believe it is important to speak out against bad and indiscriminate breeding. That is for the good of everyone and the pups.

That is it totally massively agree

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Rachael1983

The choice for me breeder over rescue comes from our lifestyle. Some rescues have criteria and I know we wouldn't meet those. And also I have a child, so I believe that if you raise from puppyhood it's better for children (i do know that's not always the case) but it's worked for us.

I do think people look at me crazy when I say I looked for a breeder but it's my money, my choices and none of their business.

You mentioned that you are not a breeder "yet", so my assumption is that it is in your plans. Yeah, I know about the assume word.

But, bottom line, if you are keeping intact animals in your home, you are correct....not something rescue approves of for a home and to top it off, if you want them intact, you wouldn't adopt anyway. So, not exactly sure about your reasoning between breeder and rescue.

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You mentioned that you are not a breeder "yet", so my assumption is that it is in your plans. Yeah, I know about the assume word.

But, bottom line, if you are keeping intact animals in your home, you are correct....not something rescue approves of for a home and to top it off, if you want them intact, you wouldn't adopt anyway. So, not exactly sure about your reasoning between breeder and rescue.

AKKKK Linda you are quoting the wrong person. Rachel is not going to be a breeder.

The thread you thinking about is in the breeder section, of the person who said that.

[dinkster]

People tend to feel passionately about the idea of rescue. That's fine, but as far as I'm concerned judgy people lack imagination.
My DH is allergic to fur, and we had to return a dog to a rescue because of that. Other people might have a deep emotional reason for wanting a particular type of dog. It's all good, as far as I am concerned.
Rescue is wonderful, but it's not for everyone.

[dinkster]

Originally Posted by Rachael1983

The choice for me breeder over rescue comes from our lifestyle. Some rescues have criteria and I know we wouldn't meet those. And also I have a child, so I believe that if you raise from puppyhood it's better for children (i do know that's not always the case) but it's worked for us.

I do think people look at me crazy when I say I looked for a breeder but it's my money, my choices and none of their business.

I agree!

[ColesMommy01]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You mentioned that you are not a breeder "yet", so my assumption is that it is in your plans. Yeah, I know about the assume word.

But, bottom line, if you are keeping intact animals in your home, you are correct....not something rescue approves of for a home and to top it off, if you want them intact, you wouldn't adopt anyway. So, not exactly sure about your reasoning between breeder and rescue.

I think you meant to quote me instead of Rachel. I wonder how you could have confused us... I've actually never rescued because I wouldn't generally fit the bill so to speak. I move around a lot due to my husband's job, I have a larger breed, and I have a young child. Rescues more than likely would not adopt out to me based on one of those reasons alone not even including the fact that I have unaltered pets . Since I don't plan on getting rid of my son or bulldog anytime soon and my husband is career military rescue is basically a no go until my husband is retired, my son is in middle/high school, and my bully passes so that's about 4-15 years. Shockingly though I've had altered pets when I was a child . Oddly enough I don't plan on breeding both breeds so if your assumption for me keeping one intact specifically to breed you're wrong. But no, you're correct that I will breed if everything works out well. That's for another thread though. I don't want to take away from the OP and her thread topic.

[sampsongc]

I have had negative reply's when asked where I got my Yorkies. Things like there are so many dogs who need homes. why would you buy from someone who breeds? A niece I rarely see said "You bought from a breeder? OMG they are all the devil in disguise ". I also had someone tell me I shouldn't carry my dog around, they should be allowed to "walk with confidence". Also have been told more than once while standing in line at the pet store with a bag or Royal Canine that there are better foods than that. Goodness, what ever happened to "If I wanted your opinion I'd ask?

[wigglewomyn]

I looked on here to see if there were any yorkies anywhere near me because talking about rescues made me feel bad that my partner bought my two yorkies. But there weren't any yorkies anywhere near me, in fact yorkies in other states came up even though I specifically put in my zip code and most of them are yorkie mixes (there were even pitbull yorkies mixes!). I had looked in our shelter before my partner bought my yorkies but mostly all they had were pitbulls, rottweilers and large dogs. The price even for these dogs was $200+.

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

https://www.petfinder.com/pet-search...&page_number=0

If you look at this sample search at petfinder.com , you'll see most of the yorkies listed within about 500 miles of me don't look anything like a yorkie or yorkie mix for that matter. The ones that don't list their prices tend to be much higher than you'd expect to pay for a rescue. Toss your own location and distance in to see who is near you.

The MAIN reason I posted this is Jesse and Kirby in OR. https://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/31310586 I'm pretty sure they were available when I adopted Zippy last Thanksgiving. Who would care for a pair? They are waiting!