Rescue dog vs Breeder

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

How else do you think they get them out of the shelter? They shelter is city run. They don't just give dogs away for free.

Actually most do waive the pull fee on their dogs for legitimate rescues .. at least here in TX they do.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by JadeD

See what I mean about people on here?

I at least know where these dogs came from. It is much more history than the average dog I get where I have no background and no history and have no idea how they were treated or how the parents were. I know the grandparents to the Yorkie as well.

I guess some people will never understand, but I will love these puppies very much and they will be well cared for.

My typical dog I have gotten because someone got a dog and then decided it was too big, too loud, too hard to train etc. I don't care how big these get, or if they are difficult to train. They will go to training classes because even though I know how to train they will benefit from the social interaction.

We picked the first puppy and then we are also taking the last puppy. All the puppies born have homes lined up and will be loved and they are all going to friends/family of the person who owns the dogs.

Sorry if you don't approve, but I bet these will be better than the average dog I have gotten in my life. I have had 2 purebred (with papers) english setters given to me and one of them I still have and he is great. The other one died of cancer at age 4. I would rather take my chances on these puppies.

You know what I don't understand. If you wanted another low cost dog - get it from a shelter. There is quite frankly no guarantee that what ever you liked in this Yorkie would transmit to the puppies. And I don't understand how a reputable breeder would breed to fulfill your whim/desire


And in terms of cancer 1 out of 3 dogs die of cancer - sobering stats aren't they?


Good breeders breed to improve the breed - simple matter of fact statement. Is that what was in the mind n heart of your breeder?

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by JadeD

I posted some pics of him in my thread under Yorkie pics about the puppies being born. They will be toward the end of it. He is very cute.

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I don't know why people on here feel the need to harass and attack others just because we get dogs in an unconventional way.

My friend happens to be a real country gal who grew up around animals being born and so breeding her dog was not a big deal and she wanted to anyway, but when she saw how much I loved her Yorkie and asked if I would want a puppy she knew that at least 1 puppy already would have a home and as far as the others, I took the first and then I took the last one. They all have good homes with people she knows.

Not everyone wants to spend a ton of money on a "purebred" dog. Honestly, once you get them fixed their papers are worthless in my opinion. I for one am sick of being attacked on here because of it. Those puppies will be loved and well cared for. I know more about their history than any other dog I have EVER owned, including the one purebred that my husband bought me when we were dating.

Sorry if people don't like it, but it isn't your problem and all of these puppies have homes.

Harassing and attacking is against the rules so please report posts you think are doing that. I am sorry if you feel I am but it is something I am passionate about and feel I need to share my opinion on. One big issues is it shoukd never be not a big deal to breed a dog it is a living being that feels pain and there are serious dangers that could happen. It's not about spending a lot of money on breeders. It's about breeding healthy dogs and breeding to better the breed. Not only do we have to many dogs being put to sleep we have to many sick dogs with genetic issues suffering because of bad breeding. It is my problem and anyone else's problem who really loves and cares for dogs. Almost all puppies get homes it's when they are no longer puppies that is the issue or when they end up with a serious genetic issue because of bad breeding. Not every one is going to be willing to pay thousands of dollars when that cute puppy becomes a dog and one with a genetic issue that needs surgery. It is a big deal and if every one cared we would not be putting millions of amazing loving dogs to sleep every year.

[ColesMommy01]

Originally Posted by JadeD

I posted some pics of him in my thread under Yorkie pics about the puppies being born. They will be toward the end of it.

Cute puppy! I love the female's name! Did you choose it because of the character from The Jungle Book or for its meaning?

[SirTeddykins]

People have criticized me for buying a purebred dog but those people were the same people who bought from BYB and even told me that I could have gotten my dog 'cheaper' elsewhere. I have never told anyone, apart from you all on YT, how much I paid for Teddy. So, there are some strange perspectives from others re: rescues, breeders and what I call 'true breeders' who breed for the betterment of a particular breed.


I do not feel guilty for buying Teddy from a breeder who is part of Englands Kennel Club and is also president of the Yorkshire Terrier Club of England and who is also a Crufts show judge and international show judge. I have been called a 'snob' for sourcing him in the way I did which I find extremely disappointing. I made sure that I went to the people dedicated to preserving the standards of the Yorkshire Terrier and who ensure that his health, and his parents health, are paramount.


I have heard appalling things re: shelters and I have heard appalling things re: 'breeders'. Recently, we all learned of the lengths people will go to when that poor Irish setter was poisoned during a Crufts dog show. So, evil can manifest even from those dedicated to preserving a breed.


I would say, therefore, that research needs to be undertaken to analyze the source of any animal. Reckless breeding leads to shelters, life events, etc., it's true. But the animals in shelters are just as deserving of love as any other animal.


The ONLY thing I disagree with are those people who set out to breed with no prior experience and no desire to better a breed. The people who breed for money or 'just because they wanted to' really do offend me with their ignorance. But, all we can try to do is educate to ensure that these shelters populations reduce because it is cruel to leave dogs in a cage with no certainty of a happy life which they deserve all because someone 'wanted a puppy'.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by MissSunni

I dont understand the need to criticize anyone for things that have already happened. Lecturing and making someone feel bad isn't going to undo any situation. Seems more reasonable to just try to support each other. I am beginning to get a complex because I have a rescued Yorkie…I really love her. She's an extremely smart little puppy and the star of our puppy classes, lol. She learns things as soon as she's taught. She very well could be a pure Yorkie, but I will never know. She's been spayed and I don't really have a need to know because she is a pet and was never going to breed.

I get whats being said, but I don't understand the need to keep on repeating and piling on to hurt someones feelings. I know I wouldn't be able to take it. Being judged is a rotten feeling.

I'm in this boat. Sad to see another badger fest.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by KazzyK810

Yes, and the rescues around me are really starting to tick people off. They plaster "adopt don't shop" everywhere, and its offensive to those that buy from good breeders. They are against you buying a dog period, yet all they are doing is cleaning up after backyard breeders and idiots that recklessly breed their pets.

Our local shelter is full of mainly pit mixes and a few other mid to large breed mixes. We've had one yorkie there in the past three years. And unspayed female who was quickly scooped up by a local "rescue" whose head proudly announced that she bought her for $75 and sold her the next day for $300. who knows where that poor girl ended up. "Rescues" around here are nothing more than pet flippers trying to make $$ of dogs, and in my opinion are no better than the bybs and puppymills they purport to be against.

There are a lot of pet flippers as you pointed out. Some, are just making a buck. Some, legitimately use the funds to run a rescue. It's sometimes difficult to tell the two apart.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by mzw00dy

Lovetodream88
"Our local shelter is full of mainly pit mixes and a few other mid to large breed mixes. We've had one yorkie there in the past three years. And unspayed female who was quickly scooped up by a local "rescue" whose head proudly announced that she bought her for $75 and sold her the next day for $300. who knows where that poor girl ended up. "Rescues" around here are nothing more than pet flippers trying to make $$ of dogs, and in my opinion are no better than the bybs and puppymills they purport to be against."


You do understand that all the money a rescue takes in is used for treating dogs that are in need. All dogs go out for about the same cost...then it is spread around for use in vetting. I suggest looking more closely at rescues and not assuming they all take money for personal gain. Our rescues spent three thousand plus for a dog who was on deaths door. The dog was still adopted for about $275. Same as all the others. Oh and this saved dog was a yorkie...he was in fostor for three years...and well loved until a couple looking for an older dog took him in to thier home. Rescues save dogs!

Most rescues and the dog pounds seem to charge more for smaller and or younger dogs. It would be a perfect world if all rescues used "all the money" to strictly run the rescue. Fact is, not all of them do. I applaud the work of the legitimate rescues, but, only they would truly know their numbers.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by Lilah Charm

Purchasing a Yorkshire terrier from a reputable breeder who follows confirmation guidelines and does genetic testing is one of the best things you can do for the Yorkshire terrier breed and the best way to 'know' what you are getting. Rescuing a dog is a wonderful thing in its own right and great for that one dog, may end up being great for you too but on the whole, supporting a reputable Yorkshire terrier breeder whose Interest is in perpetuating and supporting the health, wellbeing and standards that 'is the Yorkshire terrier' is a great contribution to our beloved breed and a much better way to know you're getting what you wanted

I like this one!

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by JadeD

See what I mean about people on here?

I at least know where these dogs came from. It is much more history than the average dog I get where I have no background and no history and have no idea how they were treated or how the parents were. I know the grandparents to the Yorkie as well.

I guess some people will never understand, but I will love these puppies very much and they will be well cared for.

My typical dog I have gotten because someone got a dog and then decided it was too big, too loud, too hard to train etc. I don't care how big these get, or if they are difficult to train. They will go to training classes because even though I know how to train they will benefit from the social interaction.

We picked the first puppy and then we are also taking the last puppy. All the puppies born have homes lined up and will be loved and they are all going to friends/family of the person who owns the dogs.

Sorry if you don't approve, but I bet these will be better than the average dog I have gotten in my life. I have had 2 purebred (with papers) english setters given to me and one of them I still have and he is great. The other one died of cancer at age 4. I would rather take my chances on these puppies.

I wish I had bred my favorite dog before his passing about 20 years ago. I loved that old dog, to have his genes, his character, around a few years longer would have been priceless. Things are different now, there's more awareness of issues. I don't fault you for you or your friend's decision. To me, as long as all the pups were brought into this world with good care and make it to loving homes, that's all that matters.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01

Our shelter is the same way. You pay more for altered animals ($50 I think), but they do adopt out unaltered($25) animals as well. I think they have you sign paperwork stating you'll have them fixed though within a certain time period. In Tennessee, I went with one of my sorors to a shelter to pick a puppy and they adopted a female chihuahua out to her unfixed(with no spay contract). It just depends on the shelter.

It's been a few months since I looked but most of our shelters, WA state, are in the $100+ range. More for smaller dogs. They, the ones I looked at, have a screening process as well. Sounds like shelters are all a little different, city to city, county to county, state to state.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by JadeD

I posted some pics of him in my thread under Yorkie pics about the puppies being born. They will be toward the end of it. He is very cute.

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I don't know why people on here feel the need to harass and attack others just because we get dogs in an unconventional way.

My friend happens to be a real country gal who grew up around animals being born and so breeding her dog was not a big deal and she wanted to anyway, but when she saw how much I loved her Yorkie and asked if I would want a puppy she knew that at least 1 puppy already would have a home and as far as the others, I took the first and then I took the last one. They all have good homes with people she knows.

Not everyone wants to spend a ton of money on a "purebred" dog. Honestly, once you get them fixed their papers are worthless in my opinion. I for one am sick of being attacked on here because of it. Those puppies will be loved and well cared for. I know more about their history than any other dog I have EVER owned, including the one purebred that my husband bought me when we were dating.

Sorry if people don't like it, but it isn't your problem and all of these puppies have homes.

On this one, I'd refer to the post about the triplets.... really, none of their damn business. Good care and loving home! All that matters.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

If you are going to call rescues pet flippers, I honestly think you need to name them. Your words are offensive and sounds like you include all rescues in your area which I highly doubt is true.

Like most things, there are very few absolutes. There's the good, the bad and the ones in between.

[MarkFromSea]

https://www.petfinder.com/pet-search...&page_number=0

If you look at this sample search at petfinder.com , you'll see most of the yorkies listed within about 500 miles of me don't look anything like a yorkie or yorkie mix for that matter. The ones that don't list their prices tend to be much higher than you'd expect to pay for a rescue. Toss your own location and distance in to see who is near you.

The MAIN reason I posted this is Jesse and Kirby in OR. https://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/31310586 I'm pretty sure they were available when I adopted Zippy last Thanksgiving. Who would care for a pair? They are waiting!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

Most rescues and the dog pounds seem to charge more for smaller and or younger dogs. It would be a perfect world if all rescues used "all the money" to strictly run the rescue. Fact is, not all of them do. I applaud the work of the legitimate rescues, but, only they would truly know their numbers.

That last comment is actually not true. A legitimate rescue is very upfront about what they do. If a rescue is 501c3 you can always look up their 990s at GuideStar nonprofit reports and Forms 990 for donors, grantmakers, and businesses Their money is reportable and they must be accountable. That paperwork alone does not make a group reputable but it does make them account for funds coming in and expenditures.