Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4547365)

We're on the same page here, I think it's great to give an opinion, but we have to be careful and not sound like, "I'm right and you're wrong." There are many choices in this world and we are all at different stages at what we think is morally right when it comes to animal welfare. I think I'm more open to change when someone tells me their thoughts without making me feel guilty about my own choices. I think we all have to remind ourselves what is the goal here, preaching or teaching?

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4547436)

I so relate to this, completely. Preachy alienates, while teachy includes...at least that's my own experience. I think of the many convos that happen here regarding animal welfare and I've had some utterly amazing discussions about it. But try to discuss it with a preacher? Usually hit a wall. Discuss it w/ a teacher...and it's usually a pretty wonderful back-and-forth where I learn as much about myself, as about the other person and about the subject at hand too.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4547400)

And you just seemed a little preachy yourself, maybe? So do many other of the posts here. Many seem outright self-righteous. Other posters sound like outright scolds. Nothing wrong with preaching, teaching, self-righteousness, passion, scolding and compelling emotions as long as our words remain civil, not mean-spirited or intended to wound, as I see it, Nancy. Preach on. I'm fine with being called a preacher, teacher or an animal-loving nag, as long as people don't think I'm intentionally gruff and ugly or out to bully or oppress them. Most of us likely think we are right in the points we're making but why be spiteful and nasty about it is, I think, what Ann, you and others of us are saying. Ann started this thread to ask us to be more positive and kinder in our posts, not less preachy/teachy or passionate.

The main point many of us are making here is to try to encourage others to be a little kinder and gentler in sharing our content while not losing our passion or feeling inhibited in our posts due to P.C.-ism or fear of getting suspended or banned for sharing our opinions, advice or information within the rules of the forum.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4547445)

Jeanie, I have a question for you. Do you think you are the only person who posts correctly here? Or perhaps one of a few?

You keep saying things that make me think so. My impression when this thread was started by Ann was that it was a general thing and everyone should be as kind as possible. I thought there was room for everyone to change....not just a select few. This very topic/thread was just brought up again the other day by a member who felt she was treated poorly yet she was not going to be happy with me and others because she felt it was ok for a vet to break the law and give 1/2 rabies vaccines. It is NOT ok and I was very forceful about saying so after she kept insisting it was. And another one who complained recently on this thread was complaining about me...obviously it was HIM because his post was removed. I am quite fatigued by all of this. I swear you all don't appreciate anyone's experience at all and want to be alone here. We can arrange that .. but I don't think that is goal.

I don't understand how you keep pointing your fingers at others. I don't think any of us are bullying just because we don't post like you or whoever else you think we should model after.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4547433)

Practically everybody gets more than a little preachy at times if you read some of these threads so practically none of us are safe in that department but I sure hope some of the the meanness and harshness goes away. Seems that is what most complain and dislike most about YT.

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4547452)

This thread causes more drama and picking at people and feelings hurt. At the end of the day people are going to post how they want if it breaks the rules then report it if not then ignore them. There will always be drama when people are telling other people how to post and at the end of the day the moderator is the only word that matters. You could post a rainbow and kittens post and somebody would still take it wrong. People get mad when they are told there doing something wrong or that there are people who have different opinions. This post is a great reminder but it should be closed because it's a place people use to bully other people and make drama. I also want to point out that everyone gets completly up in arms saying oh you chased this new member away and such and such well maybe some people need to take a look at the older members who are getting "chased" away. This is just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4547446)

Nancy, have you read this thread? And just out of curiosity, why was my post the only one you pointed out as preaching? Is mine the only one that sounded preachy to you?

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4547452)

This thread causes more drama and picking at people and feelings hurt. At the end of the day people are going to post how they want if it breaks the rules then report it if not then ignore them. There will always be drama when people are telling other people how to post and at the end of the day the moderator is the only word that matters. You could post a rainbow and kittens post and somebody would still take it wrong. People get mad when they are told there doing something wrong or that there are people who have different opinions. This post is a great reminder but it should be closed because it's a place people use to bully other people and make drama. I also want to point out that everyone gets completly up in arms saying oh you chased this new member away and such and such well maybe some people need to take a look at the older members who are getting "chased" away. This is just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4547451)

Linda, there are plenty of fingers being pointed here and I've pointed none of mine directly at you, Nancy(until she seemed to imply that I alone was preaching) or anyone. I merely defended myself by saying there's been a lot of preaching on this thread before Nancy so adroitly brought it up about me.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4547365)

We're on the same page here, I think it's great to give an opinion, but we have to be careful and not sound like, "I'm right and you're wrong." There are many choices in this world and we are all at different stages at what we think is morally right when it comes to animal welfare. I think I'm more open to change when someone tells me their thoughts without making me feel guilty about my own choices. I think we all have to remind ourselves what is the goal here, preaching or teaching?

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4547455)

No, I haven't read this whole thread, I only responded to your reply because I agreed with you and we both had responded to another thread about having a pet bird. I was so afraid to sound judgmental on that thread, but I did want to give my thoughts on the matter. Your reply, just hit a note that I was feeling, I guess my reply wasn't all that clear. I did not think your posts sounded preachy at all, and in fact I thought you were saying, you accepted a wide range of replies "as long as our words remain civil, not mean-spirited or intended to wound." I was trying to explain what types of replies get me to "open my mind."

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4547463)

I say there should be a rule, that because each person has a different opinion we are allowed to disagree but not post "Ms Priss I think your post is mean" no judging others intent...and that if you dislike the way someone posts then report it instead of bashing the so called basher....the bashing of the bashing....omgggggggggg

As I was reading this thread I was reading it one way and then the next post was saying it was taken another way and I thought wow...I'm totally misreading/misinterpreting the "tone" too....It was like I had to go back and read again and then interpret it with the tone that was being accused of and its like...this is just crazy.....enough, if someone doesn't like what someone else says REPORT IT....I've never seen a time were Ann or Admin didn't inflect some SOS when asked to....leave the moderating to the moderators...thats all.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4547467)

Dang, Nancy, I wanted to pout some more but thank you for your kind clarification, but hopefully preaching isn't the new bad word of the day!

I enjoy a good sermon on any subject I enjoy or need to know more about, such as on some of the food or vaccination threads. There's some serious preaching on those, right? But it pounds home in a condensed form a lot of information I need to further research and often do, so thanks for the sermons, one and all. But I'll apologize for any of my preachiness for those who are put off by it, though what it is about asking people to be kinder is being preachy I couldn't figure. Anyway, sorry for offending those who did take my words that way. And for the rest, preach on if you like, it usually prompts me to researching, thinking and energizes me to look into something that someone is so passionate about unless it's mean-spirited in tone.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4547450)

So how about you give examples instead of this vague stuff? If you are discussing my posts, I would like for someone to SHOW ME where I am bullying people...or being preachy. I say it like it is and people can choose to listen or not. I don't set out to be mean to anyone. I honestly don't think many who post often here do....they are mostly here to help people take care of their pups. I am aware of my strengths and weaknesses and would hope that everyone else is. I think that you coming here preaching as you are in this very thread offends many...I know it does me. So...there I am telling you that you come off preachy. So how about you do the same and tell me or whoever you are referring to the same thing? Then, do you think it will change anything? Really?

Quesiton of the day: How bad do you all really think YT is? And, if it IS that bad, why be here?

Originally Posted by SirTeddykins (Post 4503728)

Some people think with logic and some think with feelings and neither way is better - just different.


I, for example, am a logic person. I understand things and communicate that understanding via logic which is not always construed as "nice" to a feeling person because truth is often blunt. In my opinion, one should adapt their feelings towards truth - not the other way around.


Yet, social intelligence is important especially on a forum where all sorts of personalities converge. What good is logic without the ability to express it so that it can be shared with and learned by others? So, I have to ensure that I try very hard to come across as understanding AND logical. I must understand that not everything is logical and feelings can be the most illogical of all things. However, without the compassion of a feeling person, my logical statements would not always be well tolerated.


Albert Einstein said, "Gravitation is not responsible for falling in love."


We all need each other to grow. So, LOGICIANS, if you state a fact, try to do so compassionately. FEELERS, if someone states a fact, try to see it as good intent rather than an attack on your character.


Give and take is key to effective communication.


I think someone stated in an earlier post that we all care about the dogs. That's the thing to remember. We can learn from each other so that our dogs benefit from our knowledge and our love.


:cheers: Drinks on me.

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4547436)

I so relate to this, completely. Preachy alienates, while teachy includes...at least that's my own experience. I think of the many convos that happen here regarding animal welfare and I've had some utterly amazing discussions about it. But try to discuss it with a preacher? Usually hit a wall. Discuss it w/ a teacher...and it's usually a pretty wonderful back-and-forth where I learn as much about myself, as about the other person and about the subject at hand too.

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4547475)

Bumping this little gem of a nugget. :)

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4547474)

As to your last question, direct it to Ann, who started this thread. She says there have been many complaints, not I.

Sorry you feel I'm preachy but so be it, Linda, I'm open to all opinions and sorry you don't like the way I've appealed for kinder, gentler posts. You said I was preachy to offend me(?) while I wasn't posting about you personally and can only wonder why you thought I was - and I certainly didn't want to call you out publicly on this forum or offend you. But as you don't mind doing that to me, I'll turn the tables on you: Exactly what about my posts did you find preachier or more fingerpointing than some of the other judgmental and fingerpointing posts on this entire thread? Kindly just point out which of my words are so "preachy" as compared to all the others?

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4547482)

Jeanie, she said it in July 2014!!! She didn't come here this week and bump this thread!!!!! Other people have a little campaign going that involves this thread...not so hard for some of us to see but apparently very difficult for some. It makes me sad because this is a great forum and I don't believe it does it justice. But, not my forum so I can only voice my opinion and then accept what is decided.

As to the rest of your comments/questions I think it is best I not respond because it will solve nothing. Just suffice it to say I was not talking about anyone in comparison. I was referring to your words.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4547534)

So everyone else's words on this thread are golden, non-judgmental, with no other fingerpointing but mine and all totally non-preachy to you while only mind so offended? Or were you just trying to publicly embarrass me?

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4547479)

Ya'll are tough, I'm going to go lick my wounds and have an ungodly sweet iced tea. I only have some rum left over from Christmas but that would be heinous in iced tea, wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4547537)

I am not going to do this with you, Jeanie. I simply felt that you were coming off a bit holier than thou. While you are saying there there are "some of us" as you said in one post are trying to make this a kinder forum, I was wondering wth you were talking about. Sorry, but I don't see this as an evil place.

I didn't set out to embarrass you at all. I simply asked you if you thought you were the only one who knew how to post. Why? Because, while you are sitting acting like only others are wrong, you were totally offending me. I have a problem with anyone who tries to sit on a pedestal and talk down. Perhaps that was not your intent, but it is how I took it. So...there...think about it. Not one of us is perfect....I would rather like to think that MOST people here love this breed and are here for all the right reasons. I don't see it as a horrible forum at all. Sure there is always room for improvement in peoples' posts...but that goes for everyone.

Oh, and I was talking about you...not anyone else. This is like someone running a red light and telling the officer who is writing the ticket that it is wrong because other people ran it before them.

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4547538)

Isnt that called a "Long Island Iced Tea"????????!!!!!!!! Enjoy it!!!

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4547541)

Ice tea and any liquor is good...