Bad Situation

[Lisa and Pic]

Originally Posted by gracielove

1.You never even saw the kennel these dogs came from.
2.You do not have any registration papers.
3.In your first post you were quite upset about their condition and
behavior.
4.Now everything is great because the vet tells you this female can
probably crank out a couple of more litters for you.
5.You have already been breeding Shih Tzus.
6.You have not got a clue about the genetic background of these dogs.
They could be brother and sister for all you know.
7.No responsible person buys a breeding pair of dogs out of the back seat
of a stranger's car.
8. Your original intent was to buy a breeding pair and now you have it.A
vet can only tell you about the physical condition of the dogs. The vet
knows nothing about their genetic background or their pedigrees.
9. These dogs were already exploited by their previous owner and now
you are going to continue to do so because it is your right.
10.Because of such "casual" breeding practices the Yorkshire Terrier is
now suffering from multiple genetic disorders. Innocent people who
do not know or understand about these disorders have purchased
what they thought was going to be a long time family pet only to
discover that the new pet needs thousands of dollars in medical
care if it is even going to survive.
11. Yes, it is your "right" to do this but there is nothing right about it.

[Lovetodream88]

First things first they are not AKC registered and AKC is the only American registry worth anything because any one can get any of the other registry's to register there dog and say its full breed when its not, Are they an excellent representation of the breed, have they had genetic testing and been checked for LP, and you don't know there lines there could be LP in the lines and they could pass it on. LP is not fun and it can be very painful and the surgery that is sometimes needed for that is very painful too. Also a vet can not just tell you by looking at a dog that its pure breed.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Oh, I hope you don't breed this little pair. They apparently have had a puppymill start in life and you know dogs from those places are bred to one another indiscriminately. Why not think of the rights of a dog to have a nice, comfortable life after he's had a very bad time of it the first part of his life instead of any rights you have to breed him? I would let them just be pets and not risk that female's health with pregnancy/whelping/nursing after her bad history. Isn't it enough to just have two wonderful pets and leave the breeding to those with health-tested AKC stock and years of breeding experience?

If you will stay on YT for any time, you will see that this breed, like many other breeds in this day and time, can be replete with medical problems and I wonder just how many of those come as the result of breeders who don't know if their animal even should pass on any of its genes because they have had no reputable, extensive health testing. If people keep breeding indiscriminately, won't we just wind up with two classes of Yorkies - one class from healthy genetic lines that are often very, very expensive due to the extraordinary measures of endless testing their breeders are having to take to be sure they haven't somehow wound up with a dog that has some tendency or likelihood to develop a serious medical condition plus long hours of study and consultation as to which dam should be bred to which stud for optimal puppies vs. a class bred by far less knowledgeable and experienced breeders whose dogs often have come from happenstance breeding with lots of actual/potential inherited medical conditions and/or are bred without any thought to the likely pups the mating will produce as to correct conformation -and usually cost the owners far more money and heartbreak in the long run? Isn't it better for the overall health and future of the Yorkshire Terrier to leave the breeding to those breeders with all the systems in place to improve the breed?

[yorkieusa]

Originally Posted by rzrpretty

I was happy my vet said they were healthy!!!! I was happy my vet said she was NOT overbred, not that - that means I am going to "crank" out some puppies (what is wrong with you)???

If you read I said maybe in 1-2 years time we will LOOK at having puppies. Not anytime soon.

It will probably be sooner than you think, if you believe for a minute that a diaper will keep a male from mounting her.

[rzrpretty]

She might even be pregnant now - what do you suggest I do about that then, since you are so dead set against them breeding???

[yorkietalkjilly]

Nothing you can do about this pregnancy but you can keep future one's from happening.

[Teresa Ford]

I didn't lecture on page one. I was hoping that you were a dog lover that found two Yorkies that needed love, attention and proper medical care. But I was suspicious that it may be some one just trying to stir up emotional reactions and responses. I will not vent or snap questions out of anger, it is a waste of our time. I gave good sound advice in my first post.
Most of the people who spoke on this thread really did / do want to help. We have read many stories and helped other posters through bad situations. Our advice is founded on solid research, experience and love for the Yorkshire Terrier.
Sorry if we said some things that others did not want to hear.
It is sad that some humans think they have the automatic right to breed their pets on a whim. We try to educate them that breeding is a huge decision. So many things can go wrong. Almost all Yorkies that are sold as pets, should never be bred. It is not like there is a shortage of adoptable Yorkies. A dog's popularity can and has pratcticaly destroyed some breeds. Look at German Shepards, King Charles Spaniel, Boxers, Cocker Spaniel and the serious health and temperment problems they have suffered, because they were bred for quick sale and profit. Thank God Elephants are not as easy to buy and breed as a dog !

[AprilLove]

Originally Posted by rzrpretty

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Maxx has long hair - and LuLu is the one with no hair.

The vet said that Maxx might stick his tongue out all the time due to his teeth hurting.

And I know some of you will yell and scream... but no I am not getting these 2 fixed. In the late future we may breed them - after I have learned about the breed 100% and when my vet says that it would be fine.

Does that make me a puppy mill - NO - I will just keep my options open. The next time she is in heat she will be diapered and not bred.

So, why exactly are you bothering with posting then? curious minds want to know...

[yorkieusa]

Originally Posted by rzrpretty

She might even be pregnant now - what do you suggest I do about that then, since you are so dead set against them breeding???

I know that you will be counting the dollars that will be brought in if she is pregnant. Me? I'll be praying for her.

[BabyGirl Rosie]

Originally Posted by AprilLove

So, why exactly are you bothering with posting then? curious minds want to know...

Yes, why post and tell us you are not getting them fixed when you knew what the reaction would be?

[rzrpretty]

Originally Posted by AprilLove

So, why exactly are you bothering with posting then? curious minds want to know...

Your absolutely right... I shouldn't bother to post on here any longer. I really do not need to be schooled by the likes of you guys. I have a vet that is close at hand and if she says it is okay - I take her word. Last time I checked she has a medical degree paper on her wall!

Like I said it is very possible LuLu is pregnant and if that is the case this will be her last litter.

Thank you to those who have helped me and gave me solid good advice. I appreciate it. And to the rest, whatever....

[yorkietalkjilly]

Good news about her last litter. She's had a bad time of it in life and deserves some good loafing around just being a llittle Yorkie girl.

[rzrpretty]

Originally Posted by yorkieusa

I know that you will be counting the dollars that will be brought in if she is pregnant. Me? I'll be praying for her.

I will not be selling her pups, they usually have anywhere between 1 - 5 pups.

1. We are keeping one
2. My mom wants one
3. My sister-in-law wants one
4. My neighbor wants one

If I can hand over $4000 on 2 dogs do you really think I need the money???

I said I was not fixing them because I am honest - I guess I could have lied and told all of you I was fixing them and let it be. But I'm not that person.

[AprilLove]

Originally Posted by rzrpretty

Your absolutely right... I shouldn't bother to post on here any longer. I really do not need to be schooled by the likes of you guys. I have a vet that is close at hand and if she says it is okay - I take her word. Last time I checked she has a medical degree paper on her wall!

Like I said it is very possible LuLu is pregnant and if that is the case this will be her last litter.

Thank you to those who have helped me and gave me solid good advice. I appreciate it. And to the rest, whatever....

People here care about the welfare and rights of these precious little beings we are so fond of. Having someone come here and first say they were upset about the condition they were in and how rough (puppymill) their life must have been, then turn around and complain about being out 3800$$$$, then purport to intend to breed them anyays... well, it appears to be inhumane...

[yorkieusa]

Originally Posted by rzrpretty

Thank you so much for all your input. And I am sure you are all right.... after having the dogs at home for a few hours I knew rights away they were not socialized very well. From the way they behave I would say they were locked up until they were let out to breed. I am pretty sure the mom got more attention as she tends to listen more. I was able to change their names and have them come to their new names in only a matter of a day - so I think that speaks volumes for a set of dogs that are 3 and 4 years old!

Now, when I had my shih tzu... he had a series of shots before he turned 1 then had shots every year after that. These dogs came with a piece of paper with only 3 shot stickers on them. I really hope the vet can help out with the missing links.

Who knows if the birth dates are even correct. At this point I have no idea what I am going to do. I don't really want to just surrender the dogs and be out $3900 - I know that might sound heartless - but that is really a lot of money!

I have thought of maybe selling the male - and letting the new owners know he needs to be neutered. But right now everything is up in the air until I speak with my husband.

I do know that if we do keep these pups breeding is out of the question. I feel as though the mom has been bred way too much for her age.

Originally Posted by rzrpretty

I will not be selling her pups, they usually have anywhere between 1 - 5 pups.

1. We are keeping one
2. My mom wants one
3. My sister-in-law wants one
4. My neighbor wants one

If I can hand over $4000 on 2 dogs do you really think I need the money???

I said I was not fixing them because I am honest - I guess I could have lied and told all of you I was fixing them and let it be. But I'm not that person.

You are the one who said that was a lot of money way back on page one. It wasn't me that said it.