Bad Situation

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by gracielove

There are tons of care and compassion on YT for the people who have unknowingly purchased Yorkies from disreputable breeders and end up with very sick little animals. Many of these people have spent thousands of dollars trying to save their beloved little pet only to have it die after months of expensive medical care. People care about these people and have great sympathy for them.

We have much compassion for people who spend hundreds of dollars on that little Yorkie they have been wanting only to find a few months later that that little puppy isn't looking much like a Yorkie to them or has behavioral issues that cannot be solved.

It is heartbreaking for a Yorkie owner to find out their pet has liver shunt and they cannot come up with the thousands of dollars needed for surgery and after care. People really care for and have compassion for these people.

Yeah, some people get really worked up about someone breeding Yorkies that doesn't know or care about what they are doing. People felt bad for the OP at first until it became clear her major concern was that she wanted to a breeding pair and not a couple of pets.

There are breeders on YT. Some have spent many years and dollars in order to better the breed and not exploit it. They invest everything they ever get from the sale of a puppy back into the business so they are able to show in public what they have been doing for the betterment of the Yorkshire Terrier.

Beautifully said, though some will never get it. Still, those that do - true Yorkie-lovers will always opt for what is best for their dogs and and the overall best health and well-being of this wonderful breed.

[roseslevi]

Originally Posted by rzrpretty

I am not saying $3900 is not a lot of money. Just saying I am not breeding these pups for profit. And I certainly wasn't spending $3900 to not have anything at all!

This statement speaks volumes to me...just sayin.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Is is totally revealing. Still, over time, some live and learn.

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by roseslevi

This statement speaks volumes to me...just sayin.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Is is totally revealing.

Sad someone thinks like that.

[gracielove]

Originally Posted by My lil friend

I look at it differently. If she can spend $3900 on a pair, then she can probably afford to give the puppys to friends,which is what she stated was her intention. I would prefer to get to know the OP before forming an openion so final and complete.

The OP has no idea about the genetic background of these dogs. She does not even know if they are related. She knows they have been used for breeding. She purchased them out of the back seat of a car. It does not take much to realize what is going on here. It is irresponsible to breed these dogs. It is exploitation at it's best.

[Yorkiemom1]

This is all so very sad. This kind of thought process, or lack there of, KILLS the souls of people that have dedicated their lives and are passionate about the study of genetic disorders, pedigrees, what pedigrees you can mix with excellent results, and pedigrees you dont dare mix because of the dogs in that pedigree, going back past 15 generations, you double up and triple up on genes that then become dominate and you produce genetic disasters. We are active in research, study genetic markers, study pedigrees, study lines, donate large sums of money to have these diseases marked and irradicated from our precious breed....so far in over our heads financially, trying desperately to see that the diseases that plague our precious Yorkies are cured ...... To see people think they can go buy a couple of dogs they know absolutely NOTHING about, from someone they know NOTHING about, know NOTHING about what is behind these two dogs, are not even sure the dogs are REGISTERED (!!! OMG !!! They claim they know about breeding because they have 'done it before'....but they dont know you can not submit a blood sample to get a dog registered with the AKC?????!!!!!)), forget a basic pedigree, are CLUELESS about what line each dog is predominately from.....and then you have people defending this as "It's OK, she isnt doing it for the money"....or "Its OK, she has a 'right' to do this"...or "Its OK, she is going to give the babies away"....I could care less about ANY of that, including her "rights"....WHAT ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE BABIES???....WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES????????? It is YOUR "RIGHT", no, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to be certain, to the very best of your ability, that you are going to produce babies that are not going to SUFFER AND DIE because YOU wanted to "be a breeder".....shame on you.....it just breaks my heart for all the little puppies.....shame, shame on you. I think it should be a law, if you produce a sick puppy, you have to do absolutely EVERYTHING that is known to medicine, to save that baby. No culling, no "giving it away" and then disappearing into the sunset....by the time these people had spent a huge sum of money, trying to correct the mistakes they were responsible for, their "heartfelt desire to be breeders, their 'right' to be breeders" would vanish like a puff of smoke.......shame on all of you.....

[Bitsy]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

This is all so very sad. This kind of thought process, or lack there of, KILLS the souls of people that have dedicated their lives and are passionate about the study of genetic disorders, pedigrees, what pedigrees you can mix with excellent results, and pedigrees you dont dare mix because of the dogs in that pedigree, going back past 15 generations, you double up and triple up on genes that then become dominate and you produce genetic disasters. We are active in research, study genetic markers, study pedigrees, study lines, donate large sums of money to have these diseases marked and irradicated from our precious breed....so far in over our heads financially, trying desperately to see that the diseases that plague our precious Yorkies are cured ...... To see people think they can go buy a couple of dogs they know absolutely NOTHING about, from someone they know NOTHING about, know NOTHING about what is behind these two dogs, are not even sure the dogs are REGISTERED (!!! OMG !!! They claim they know about
breeding because they have 'done it before'....but they dont know you can not submit a blood sample to get a dog registered with the AKC?????!!!!!)), forget a basic pedigree, are CLUELESS about what line each dog is predominately from.....and then you have people defending this as "It's OK, she isnt doing it for the money"....or "Its OK, she has a 'right' to do this"...or "Its OK, she is going to give the babies away"....I could care less about ANY of that, including her "rights"....WHAT ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE BABIES???....WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES????????? It is YOUR "RIGHT", no, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to be certain, to the very best of your ability, that you are going to produce babies that are not going to SUFFER AND DIE because YOU wanted to "be a breeder".....shame on you.....it just breaks my heart for all the little puppies.....shame, shame on you. I think it should be a law, if you produce a
sick puppy, you have to do absolutely EVERYTHING that is known to medicine, to save that baby. No culling, no "giving it away" and then disappearing into the sunset....by the time these people had spent a huge sum of money, trying to correct the mistakes they were responsible for, their "heartfelt desire to be breeders, their 'right' to be breeders" would vanish like a puff of smoke.......shame on all of you.....

I completely agree!

[yorkietalkjilly]

So many would-be or actual breeders don't even seem to think about any rights their prospective puppies should have to the best life possible. The ONLY way to ensure that situation is to have the entire system in place that is totally dedicated to breeding only dogs that are AKC registered, health certified with temperament and pedigrees/genetics very carefully considered and a long experience with dealing properly with pregnant/whelping/nursing females and puppies in trouble. And then that breeder has to know people and how to tell who is going to be a truly responsible and loving, caring owner. That part alone would be exhausting to me - just the endless talking to and picking the new parents, not to mention the research and study, the time, the vetting/testing, the money, the whole process of seeing a bitch through the pregnancy/whelping/nursing and then months of puppy care and all that that implies. To me only a situation like that gives Yorkie puppies their best chance of a a healthy, long and happy life with people who just want to love their Yorkie puppy.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by rzrpretty

Well, I'm not 100% sure.... if she had a puppymill going those pups might have been from other yorkies. I don't really know if there is anything she said that I can believe.

LuLu is cleaning herself on a regular basis, has an extended tummy and is eating a bit more than Maxx. but it's hard to say - only time will tell.

I have not posted in the past few days and an just catchng up on all of the recent developments and information you have provided since my original reply to you. Which has left me to wonder about the puppies your female could possibly be pregnant with right now. There are several things that come to mind regarding the idea of giving puppies awày to your family members. You have no idea what the health history of these two dogs are other than they came from a shady breeder and you ate upset that you were taken for $3900. With this I'm sympathetic. My question to you is what if the puppies have generic issues that you are not aware of in their background? Are you planning on being financially responsible for any congenital issues you could be producing from a breeding? What if they throw liver shunt or AAI puppies? The cost of surgical correction for a congenital conditionwl be yours. To me this alone would be reason to never breed them. There must have Ben good reason for this puppy miller to have sold them both off. I would be highly suspect of her actions with everything she had done to sell you a breeding pair at such an outragous amount of money. What will guarantee you will not have a litter of sick puppies? As for the idea it's too late to do anything about a possible current litter you could spay now regardless. IMO you could have a muchkarfer financial burned with an additional 1-5 more dogs.

[roseslevi]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

This is all so very sad. This kind of thought process, or lack there of, KILLS the souls of people that have dedicated their lives and are passionate about the study of genetic disorders, pedigrees, what pedigrees you can mix with excellent results, and pedigrees you dont dare mix because of the dogs in that pedigree, going back past 15 generations, you double up and triple up on genes that then become dominate and you produce genetic disasters. We are active in research, study genetic markers, study pedigrees, study lines, donate large sums of money to have these diseases marked and irradicated from our precious breed....so far in over our heads financially, trying desperately to see that the diseases that plague our precious Yorkies are cured ...... To see people think they can go buy a couple of dogs they know absolutely NOTHING about, from someone they know NOTHING about, know NOTHING about what is behind these two dogs, are not even sure the dogs are REGISTERED (!!! OMG !!! They claim they know about breeding because they have 'done it before'....but they dont know you can not submit a blood sample to get a dog registered with the AKC?????!!!!!)), forget a basic pedigree, are CLUELESS about what line each dog is predominately from.....and then you have people defending this as "It's OK, she isnt doing it for the money"....or "Its OK, she has a 'right' to do this"...or "Its OK, she is going to give the babies away"....I could care less about ANY of that, including her "rights"....WHAT ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE BABIES???....WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES????????? It is YOUR "RIGHT", no, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to be certain, to the very best of your ability, that you are going to produce babies that are not going to SUFFER AND DIE because YOU wanted to "be a breeder".....shame on you.....it just breaks my heart for all the little puppies.....shame, shame on you. I think it should be a law, if you produce a sick puppy, you have to do absolutely EVERYTHING that is known to medicine, to save that baby. No culling, no "giving it away" and then disappearing into the sunset....by the time these people had spent a huge sum of money, trying to correct the mistakes they were responsible for, their "heartfelt desire to be breeders, their 'right' to be breeders" would vanish like a puff of smoke.......shame on all of you.....

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

This is all so very sad. This kind of thought process, or lack there of, KILLS the souls of people that have dedicated their lives and are passionate about the study of genetic disorders, pedigrees, what pedigrees you can mix with excellent results, and pedigrees you dont dare mix because of the dogs in that pedigree, going back past 15 generations, you double up and triple up on genes that then become dominate and you produce genetic disasters. We are active in research, study genetic markers, study pedigrees, study lines, donate large sums of money to have these diseases marked and irradicated from our precious breed....so far in over our heads financially, trying desperately to see that the diseases that plague our precious Yorkies are cured ...... To see people think they can go buy a couple of dogs they know absolutely NOTHING about, from someone they know NOTHING about, know NOTHING about what is behind these two dogs, are not even sure the dogs are REGISTERED (!!! OMG !!! They claim they know about breeding because they have 'done it before'....but they dont know you can not submit a blood sample to get a dog registered with the AKC?????!!!!!)), forget a basic pedigree, are CLUELESS about what line each dog is predominately from.....and then you have people defending this as "It's OK, she isnt doing it for the money"....or "Its OK, she has a 'right' to do this"...or "Its OK, she is going to give the babies away"....I could care less about ANY of that, including her "rights"....WHAT ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE BABIES???....WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES????????? It is YOUR "RIGHT", no, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to be certain, to the very best of your ability, that you are going to produce babies that are not going to SUFFER AND DIE because YOU wanted to "be a breeder".....shame on you.....it just breaks my heart for all the little puppies.....shame, shame on you. I think it should be a law, if you produce a sick puppy, you have to do absolutely EVERYTHING that is known to medicine, to save that baby. No culling, no "giving it away" and then disappearing into the sunset....by the time these people had spent a huge sum of money, trying to correct the mistakes they were responsible for, their "heartfelt desire to be breeders, their 'right' to be breeders" would vanish like a puff of smoke.......shame on all of you.....

Excellent post and what I was also trying to state with mine as well. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

This is all so very sad. This kind of thought process, or lack there of, KILLS the souls of people that have dedicated their lives and are passionate about the study of genetic disorders, pedigrees, what pedigrees you can mix with excellent results, and pedigrees you dont dare mix because of the dogs in that pedigree, going back past 15 generations, you double up and triple up on genes that then become dominate and you produce genetic disasters. We are active in research, study genetic markers, study pedigrees, study lines, donate large sums of money to have these diseases marked and irradicated from our precious breed....so far in over our heads financially, trying desperately to see that the diseases that plague our precious Yorkies are cured ...... To see people think they can go buy a couple of dogs they know absolutely NOTHING about, from someone they know NOTHING about, know NOTHING about what is behind these two dogs, are not even sure the dogs are REGISTERED (!!! OMG !!! They claim they know about breeding because they have 'done it before'....but they dont know you can not submit a blood sample to get a dog registered with the AKC?????!!!!!)), forget a basic pedigree, are CLUELESS about what line each dog is predominately from.....and then you have people defending this as "It's OK, she isnt doing it for the money"....or "Its OK, she has a 'right' to do this"...or "Its OK, she is going to give the babies away"....I could care less about ANY of that, including her "rights"....WHAT ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE BABIES???....WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES????????? It is YOUR "RIGHT", no, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to be certain, to the very best of your ability, that you are going to produce babies that are not going to SUFFER AND DIE because YOU wanted to "be a breeder".....shame on you.....it just breaks my heart for all the little puppies.....shame, shame on you. I think it should be a law, if you produce a sick puppy, you have to do absolutely EVERYTHING that is known to medicine, to save that baby. No culling, no "giving it away" and then disappearing into the sunset....by the time these people had spent a huge sum of money, trying to correct the mistakes they were responsible for, their "heartfelt desire to be breeders, their 'right' to be breeders" would vanish like a puff of smoke.......shame on all of you.....

[spr377]

I normally don't post on these kinds of heated threads, but.............we can't really judge people we have never met; and people are going to do whatever they want, in the long run. No sense in getting worked up about a situation you can't change. I learned a long time ago to "choose my battles".......I like to stick to ones I can win!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Our posts are not just directed toward the OP but all current/future readers. And people make judgments of others they haven't met all the time from what they say they have done or say they are going to do as well as from their stated attitudes. And if it involves innocent dogs, readers have a serious responsibility to speak up if they feel it is unwise. And one never knows what the information-sharing, thought-provoking back-and-forth of a "heated" thread may net in the further understanding of responsible dog stewardship by any given reader. If just one inadvisable breeding is prevented, now or 10 years fom now, that is very important to me - and it's a big win.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Our posts are not just directed toward the OP but all current/future readers. And people make judgments of others they haven't met all the time from what they say they have done or say they are going to do as well as from their stated attitudes. And if it involves innocent dogs, readers have a serious responsibility to speak up if they feel it is unwise. And one never knows what the information-sharing, thought-provoking back-and-forth of a "heated" thread may net in the further understanding of responsible dog stewardship by any given reader. If just one inadvisable breeding is prevented, now or 10 years fom now, that is very important to me - and it's a big win.

Totally agree!