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11-09-2005, 01:40 PM | #46 |
Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Florida
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| Sometimes Hailey's barking can get on my nerves but never in a million years would i ever take that right away from her. I'm sure my voice can get on her nerves too.
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11-09-2005, 01:41 PM | #47 | |
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and i would bet there isn't one registry out there out of them all that has really done anything to help stop it. so all registries could be at fault. | |
11-09-2005, 01:47 PM | #48 | |
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11-09-2005, 01:49 PM | #49 |
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| Have you ever had a very sore throat, then went hoarse for day's, can you imagine not being able to communicate to other's how you feel... I lost my voice for 2 week's when I was younger, I had to write everything down..I was completely miserable...I haven't shut up since! Poor Doggie's
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11-09-2005, 01:56 PM | #50 |
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| It has to hurt when they have this done. I dont know how they would know it doesnt hurt the dog anyway since it cant communicate.
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11-09-2005, 02:00 PM | #51 | |
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I have an 11 year old Sheltie that we have dubbed "The Barking Head" because of his barking. We have tried all the recommended methods to break him, to no avail. Just yesterday I bought a citronella collar (not cheap, I might add!!) If it doesn't work, I'm going to start attaching a leash to my hip and keeping him at my side so I can limit his freedom and correct him quickly with a jerk on the leash. No more outside or free-run for him!! Neither of us will like it, but THAT is my last resort. No way in the world would I consider debarking no matter what method used.
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11-09-2005, 02:02 PM | #52 | |
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11-09-2005, 02:42 PM | #53 | |
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11-09-2005, 02:49 PM | #54 | |
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The volumes of dogs sufferering at mills and bad breeders are not going to be given the comfort of Laser Surgery - you can bet on that - they are suffering, tortured & mistreated..... and this is just another form of that torture. | |
11-09-2005, 04:38 PM | #55 |
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| Debarking, from what I have read is quite painful post surgically and should only be done as a very very last resort when it is necessary to save a dog's life or save a dog from losing it's home and after all training and animal behaviorists have failed o remedy the bad behavior. I have read that it has saved the lives of quite a few dogs which is one of the only reasons it has not been outlawed. There are some vets who refuse to perform the procedure because they so strongly disagree with it. I am disagreement with the debarking procedure as I am of declawing, tail docking, dew claw removal, ear clipping and spaying/neutering w/o a good reason of benefit to the dog. Any alteration for cosmetic reasons or reasons of human convenience is not a good enough reason for me. |
11-09-2005, 04:43 PM | #56 |
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| Food for thought... my niece had her tonsils removed and they botched the surgery and she had a stroke. Couldn't the same thing happen to a Yorkie? I realize that anything could happen at anytime, but there are some things that can be controlled with a little training and patience - debarking is a cop out on the owner(s) part.
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11-09-2005, 04:48 PM | #57 |
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| Just the thought of debarking my dogs is enough to bring tears to my eyes, but If, indeed, the surgical procedure is not a cruel and inhumane method, I can think of extreme insistances where it may do some good. One being, where a dog is put to sleep because of the constant barking and no one will take the dog because of that problem.
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11-09-2005, 04:51 PM | #58 | |
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De-Barking From Jo Ann Mather, (semimom@premier1.net) A hundred years ago, when I first started going to dog shows, I heard my first de-barked dog, a Collie. I was horrified! How could ANYONE DO that to a dog!? Time passed, I got older, got more experience (and dogs!), and hopefully, a little wiser. I acquired a dog who barked ALL THE TIME, and whose bark was high-pitched enough that it would shatter glass. The writing was on the wall: I had her de-barked! My immediate reaction was: Why didn't I do this A LONG TIME AGO! One dog can be trained (taught) not to bark excessively; possibly two dogs can be, as well. Any more than that, and you are getting into a "pack" situation, and it is very difficult to cope with the barking, which is essentially part of the pack dynamics. De-barking is only "cruel" in that is it subjecting the dog to elective (on the owner's part) surgery, and exposing them to the risk that general anesthesia always entails. It does not affect the dog's personality or psyche -- they do not realize that they aren't making a lot of noise and are perfectly happy with their "squeak, squeak" or "huh, huh" noise that they make. The neighbors are happier -- they are not always having to listen to the dogs barking; YOU are happier, as you are not always yelling "SHUT UP" at the dogs; (as someone said, this doesn't work, anyway! and the dogs are happier as they are not always getting yelled at for something that they don't understand or see any problem with. A de-barked dog CAN sometimes regain his/her voice, if they bark a lot and scar tissue forms. But usually the bark is not as sharp or high-pitched as it was originally. And many vets will re-do the surgery for nothing if the dog regains its ability to bark. I am not necessarily advocating de-barking. Three of my girls are de-barked, but I got them when we lived in town and I had close neighbors to worry about. Semi is not de-barked, as I do want a watchdog, and if the puppy doesn't become too mouthy, she will not be debarked either. It is surgery under general anesthesia, and I do not advocate doing that routinely or as a matter of course. HOWEVER, it is infinitely preferable to: getting turned in to Animal Control because your dogs are too noisy always screaming at the dogs to "shut up" having something unthinkable happen to your dogs because your neighbors are tired of listening to them. using a "bark collar" -- (I understand these work, but only when the dog is wearing them. The one I saw this weekend was HUGE, and if I put it on Semi or Tonka, they would fall over sideways!) Jenny's bark sounds like "SQUEAK, SQUEAK", and she is pretty much non-stop when she's excited. When I used to come home from work she would run around the house going SQUEAK, SQUEAK, SQUEAK, SQUEAK, SQUEAK! I would say, "JENNY, BE *QUIET* and she would say, very softly: squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak! Just my .02 worth. Do what you're comfortable with -- and sometimes what you have to do. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are some more opinions on debarking. | |
11-09-2005, 04:53 PM | #59 |
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| I would like to jam that metal rod at the opposite end of the person trying to jam it down a baby's throat. These babies are little security guards. Maggie even barks at ghost poots, but that just fine in our house. If a person wants a dog that doesn't bark, then buy a stuffed animal. How's that for opening a can of worms?
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