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SoCalyorkiLvr 11-09-2005 11:26 AM

DeBarking
 
I don't want to start a controversial thread, but I read recently that someone said debarking is done by ramming a metal bar down a dog's throat and I was appalled at the thought so I did a little research and found out that it is accomplished by a surgical procedure that is safer (according to this author) than neutering and/or spaying and is done with a laser in most cases. A part of the vocal cords is removed to reduce the volume of the bark but the dog can still make some noise after the procedure.

None of my dogs are debarked and I would not consider the procedure for my dogs as I do not agree with elective surgeries for mine, but I thought it was important to put the facts about the procedure out there since there seem to be misconceptions by some.

Here is the link
http://www.naiaonline.org/body/artic...debark_qna.htm

Now, I am ducking for cover. :eek:

rrosenberry 11-09-2005 11:31 AM

Thanks for the info, I had heard about it also,and heard it was quite a horrible act,,, which I still dont agree with IMO,, Thats what dogs do, Bark,, good or bad. But I am glad to know that is done more humanely.
I dont think you need cover.. ;)

chachi 11-09-2005 11:36 AM

Oh that is good to hear. The other way sounded horrifying and I flet so sorry for the dogs that this happened to. The other way sounded too cruel to be true.

mustangbee 11-09-2005 11:39 AM

Good Post!!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Yea that thread went on & on.
I think people should do a little research,
before they put their input in.
Thank you for taking your time to
research it. It's true, you can always learn
something new on YT. :) :)

LOL :D
Dont duck!!! You did a great job! :thumbup:

cheryl000 11-09-2005 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
I don't want to start a controversial thread, but I read recently that someone said debarking is done by ramming a metal bar down a dog's throat and I was appalled at the thought so I did a little research and found out that it is accomplished by a surgical procedure that is safer (according to this author) than neutering and/or spaying and is done with a laser in most cases. A part of the vocal cords is removed to reduce the volume of the bark but the dog can still make some noise after the procedure.

None of my dogs are debarked and I would not consider the procedure for my dogs as I do not agree with elective surgeries for mine, but I thought it was important to put the facts about the procedure out there since there seem to be misconceptions by some.

Here is the link
http://www.naiaonline.org/body/artic...debark_qna.htm

Now, I am ducking for cover. :eek:

Thank you for clearing the air! I am glad someone else here is not afraid to say something that could be confrontational, but needs to be said. Great research. I hope that metal rod thing is just an urban legand. Good job

kindness_001 11-09-2005 11:44 AM

If they want a dog that dont bark they should buy the one that dont bark (cant think of name from Africa i think) . I think it is mean.

AmyZinNC 11-09-2005 12:10 PM

That was me who posted the debarking thread!

Thanks for posting that info. The metal rod thing just made me sick...

Still haven't decided if we're going to get her or not.
She is asking a great price (i think) but I still need to convince my husband that we can spend that money now.

I feel like I need to bring her home and love her!

she is 4 years old..so at least I'm beyond the puppy chewing stage (right?!)
And she is almost housebroken :)

Her name is Lily and she's about 6 lbs.

JCarlson2004 11-09-2005 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
I don't want to start a controversial thread, but I read recently that someone said debarking is done by ramming a metal bar down a dog's throat and I was appalled at the thought so I did a little research and found out that it is accomplished by a surgical procedure that is safer (according to this author) than neutering and/or spaying and is done with a laser in most cases. A part of the vocal cords is removed to reduce the volume of the bark but the dog can still make some noise after the procedure.

None of my dogs are debarked and I would not consider the procedure for my dogs as I do not agree with elective surgeries for mine, but I thought it was important to put the facts about the procedure out there since there seem to be misconceptions by some.

Here is the link
http://www.naiaonline.org/body/artic...debark_qna.htm

Now, I am ducking for cover. :eek:

I am the one who posted about debarking on another thread. I am a volunteer at an animal shelter and I've seen several debarked dogs. They were debarked by puppy millers and backyard breeds by ramming a metal rod or pipe down the dog's throat. What I stated is not a "misconception" by any means -- it is very ture. However, the information you presented is also true. But as we all know, backyard breeders and puppy millers won't spend one red cent on their dogs to have them debarked in a humane fashion. They do it the fast and cheap way. They don't care if the dogs vocal cords are severely damaged in the process. All they care about is breeding and breeding and breeding and breeding and breeding ... did I mention breeding? I did not state a "misconception" of any sort. I merely stated a popular means of debarking by puppy millers and backyard breeders.

I am very well aware of the surgical procedure involving debarking. There are some pet owners who choose to have their dogs surgically debarked. I personally do not agree with this, but as least the surgical method of debarking is done it a clean and safe environment by a vet.

toninm 11-09-2005 12:26 PM

ahhhh...that is sad!

Itspuppyluv 11-09-2005 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCarlson2004
I am the one who posted about debarking on another thread. I am a volunteer at an animal shelter and I've seen several debarked dogs. They were debarked by puppy millers and backyard breeds by ramming a metal rod or pipe down the dog's throat. What I stated is not a "misconception" by any means -- it is very ture. However, the information you presented is also true. But as we all know, backyard breeders and puppy millers won't spend one red cent on their dogs to have them debarked in a humane fashion. They do it the fast and cheap way. They don't care if the dogs vocal cords are severely damaged in the process. All they care about is breeding and breeding and breeding and breeding and breeding ... did I mention breeding? I did not state a "misconception" of any sort. I merely stated a popular means of debarking by puppy millers and backyard breeders.

I am very well aware of the surgical procedure involving debarking. There are some pet owners who choose to have their dogs surgically debarked. I personally do not agree with this, but as least the surgical method of debarking is done it a clean and safe environment by a vet.

Exactly, I've read of mill dogs that didn't survive debarking. Mill owners are not going to spend money on surgery. It's horrible to even think about.

yorkiemom1970 11-09-2005 12:38 PM

Kim,
I have heard of this being done by puppy millers. Its a brutal, heart-less act and I cannot imagine. When I am reminded or read about things like this, I realize that this world is divided into two catergorys regardless as to who you are or what you do: Good and Evil.
The first time I ever read about de-barking i remember I got sick to my stomach the entire day.
I appreciate the fact that I am surrounded by so many Good people on Yt and it makes it easier to stay educated on the Evil stuff so that we all will know how to spot it and take action if we ever encounter such things...

chewysmom 11-09-2005 12:38 PM

Debarking a dog to me is like saying, I want to have kids, but I don't want them to cry; Let me take out their vocal cords. It is absolutely insane and no matter how it is done, I have no patience for it.

JCarlson2004 11-09-2005 12:39 PM

Some Links To Debarking
 
Please Note: I am NOT referring to the surgical method of debarking

Check out these links which mention the cruel method of debarking (ramming a rod down a dogs throat):

1. Check out the last 3 sentences in the first paragraph:
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/...r_id=498565236

2. Scroll allllllll the way to the bottom and check out the poor little doggy named Wyatt Earp -- he was debarked by some rotten puppy miller:
http://hillbillypets.com/Login/index...mand=viewshame

3. Look below all of the pictures of the puppy mill rescue dogs at the very first paragraph:
http://anniehughes.com/roar.htm

This one was so sad that I had to copy and paste the text. Here is what #3 says:

"THIS is what the PARENTS of those cute puppies in PET STORES look like.
They have been severely abused: neglected, starved, beaten, mauled by other dogs, blinded and, most horrendously, DE-BARKED (achieved by a metal rod down the throat driven with a HAMMER, rupturing the vocal chords, breaking the jaw and teeth, causing the dog's tongue to hang limply from its mouth). CAN YOU LIVE WITH THAT? How can anyone? PLEASE - boycott pet stores that sell live animals."

red98vett 11-09-2005 12:43 PM

Oh Jennifer - those links were so graphic - I hadn't seen that site before - How SICKENING Pet Stores are Puppy Mills are. I'm not even going to say any more about that -

I don't believe in ANY surgery that is just for human comfort and De-Barking in any form sounds just sickening....I'm sure there are people out there who will continue to do this - but I sure don't want to see it encouraged or made light of - it sounds like a very serious procedure with possible serious consequences - The metal rod thing is evil - just evil.

JCarlson2004 11-09-2005 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chewysmom
Debarking a dog to me is like saying, I want to have kids, but I don't want them to cry; Let me take out their vocal cords. It is absolutely insane and no matter how it is done, I have no patience for it.

I agree with you 100000000% Gerry! I remember the very frist time I ever saw a debarked dog. She was a little toy poodle and soooo precious. But I was wondering why she wasn't barking or crying or making any sound at all. Then the vet told us all that she had been debarked by the backyard breeder who was keeping her prisoner in a cage to make money for him -- the rat bastard that he is. When I first heard she was debarked, I cried like a baby for an hour. Then I went home and cried some more. Her vocal cords were destroyed, she had missing and broken teeth which became infected and rotten from not being cared for and part of her lower jaw was broke from the debarking and then healed improperly. Needless to say, this little girl was in such severe shape that she had to be euthanized.


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