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Diego · 11-09-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kindness_001

If they want a dog that dont bark they should buy the one that dont bark (cant think of name from Africa i think) . I think it is mean.

The name is Basenji . They don't bark like other dogs but are not mute .

yorkiemom1970 · 11-09-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AmyZinNC

I agree! Im even thinking of asking her to come down on her price since the dog does not have the ability to really communicate with us.

good luck. sounds to me like they are a greedy bunch as it is with what they are doing to their dogs so that they do not have to hear them bark, yet continue to make money from them.

if you do get her, there's a basket full of goodies waiting on her from me and my gang!

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-09-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AmyZinNC

I agree! Im even thinking of asking her to come down on her price since the dog does not have the ability to really communicate with us.

Does she not make any noise at all when she barks? I thought after the surgical debarking thay could still "bark" but it was much softer and more of a squeek but they still make a sound and they have no idea they aren't making as much noise.

This is what it said in the article I cited:

Q: Do dogs suffer emotionally from debarking?

A: It is a huge myth to suggest dogs are emotionally disturbed by debarking. Debarked dogs can bark. Even if reduced sound comes out of their mouths, they don't seem to notice at all! Debarked dogs that are not being constantly disciplined for barking, in fact, tend to be much happier dogs!

I wonder if it is really true?

AmyZinNC · 11-09-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

good luck. sounds to me like they are a greedy bunch as it is with what they are doing to their dogs so that they do not have to hear them bark, yet continue to make money from them.

if you do get her, there's a basket full of goodies waiting on her from me and my gang!

You are beyond sweet!!!!! That isn't necessary! But if you're serious, thank you SO much!! Hubby sees how upset I am over all this, and he may be coming around..lol
Hoping I have good news tomorrow!!

Thanks!

oh, and as far as making any noise, she said you can hear her making noises, but almost like when someone has laryngitis..a muted kind of sound?

MeganS · 11-09-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Does she not make any noise at all when she barks? I thought after the surgical debarking thay could still "bark" but it was much softer and more of a squeek but they still make a sound and they have no idea they aren't making as much noise.

This is what it said in the article I cited:

Q: Do dogs suffer emotionally from debarking?

A: It is a huge myth to suggest dogs are emotionally disturbed by debarking. Debarked dogs can bark. Even if reduced sound comes out of their mouths, they don't seem to notice at all! Debarked dogs that are not being constantly disciplined for barking, in fact, tend to be much happier dogs!

I wonder if it is really true?

hmmm, i think thats sounds a little odd. Doesn't it seem like they would have a VERY sore throat for days, if not weeks after the surgery.

I think it would hurt a human to have it done, wouldn't it hurt a dog too? I think its all very inhumane. Barking is the only way for a dog to really communicate with us. I think its unfair, and inhumane, no matter how its done. JMO

Itspuppyluv · 11-09-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Does she not make any noise at all when she barks? I thought after the surgical debarking thay could still "bark" but it was much softer and more of a squeek but they still make a sound and they have no idea they aren't making as much noise.

This is what it said in the article I cited:

Q: Do dogs suffer emotionally from debarking?

A: It is a huge myth to suggest dogs are emotionally disturbed by debarking. Debarked dogs can bark. Even if reduced sound comes out of their mouths, they don't seem to notice at all! Debarked dogs that are not being constantly disciplined for barking, in fact, tend to be much happier dogs!

I wonder if it is really true?

Me too. How do they know if a dog notices. They communicate with each other through sound - whimpers, growling, barking, etc. So I would think dogs would notice a difference.

yorkiemom1970 · 11-09-2005, 01:24 PM

I just don't buy it that they do not suffer emotionally if de-barked sugically. Yorkies are a very "vocal" breed as many of us know. If I were born without speech, I probably would never know the difference other than i had a mouth that longed to speak but couldnt for some strange reason.

I just think its a terrible thing to do. And I for one wouldn't go to any vet that I found out would do the procedure for anyone. My sister is all into large breeds. When she got her dobie pup last year she had a terrible time finding a vet in our area that would even crop the ears. Tail docking is another thing...when done correctly and to the correct length, there is still enough tail left for the dog to wag. I'm not an advocate for tail docking so i won't say anymore. Spaying and neutering is done to prevent un-wanted pregnancies which I do promote. De-barking is just in-sane in my opinion.

JCarlson2004 · 11-09-2005, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

Jennifer, I cannot live with that. I believe it is one of the reason's I am so very proud of what I do and how I do it. I have never supported pet stores and never will. I wish they would all just close down once and for all. But we're in America, land of the free, so we will continue to see them. Educating the average puppy buyer is our greatest weapon at this point. Thank God for the sweet little lady I met years ago that was nice enough to allow me to have my first yorkie and to open her home to me to see for myself how much she truly cared about her dogs. Without people like her and many others out there, those pet stores would really be booming in sales of puppies. The loving, caring breeders out there, hobby or show, are the reason that there is no excuse for anyone with half a brain to ever help keep the pet stores selling puppies in business.

It's wonderful breeders like you who give us hope.

Diego · 11-09-2005, 01:27 PM

Reading this made me wonder how many peoples would accept to be devoice?
Do those poor little ones have a choice , no way .

Sherry Lynn · 11-09-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MeganS

hmmm, i think thats sounds a little odd. Doesn't it seem like they would have a VERY sore throat for days, if not weeks after the surgery.

I think it would hurt a human to have it done, wouldn't it hurt a dog too? I think its all very inhumane. Barking is the only way for a dog to really communicate with us. I think its unfair, and inhumane, no matter how its done. JMO

I'm with you, Girlfriend!! Could you imagine if I lost my voice how upset you.... I mean I would be!!!!

rrosenberry · 11-09-2005, 01:31 PM

When I had my tonsils removed, it was surgically and very humane,,,yet,, I do know ,IT HURT,,, for days, if not weeks... SO, how can they say it doesn't hurt??!!

JCarlson2004 · 11-09-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Itspuppyluv

Me too. How do they know if a dog notices. They communicate with each other through sound - whimpers, growling, barking, etc. So I would think dogs would notice a difference.

My thoughts exactly! My pooches bark and growl when they play tug-o-war. I can't imagine not hearing any sound coming from their beautiful little lips. I would miss their barking terribly if anything ever happened to their vocal cords. And what if the dog is in pain? It would need to whimper to let you know something is wrong. Or what if the dog is scared or someone hurts it -- How can they let their owner know if they cannot bark? It's just too cruel and I would never ever force it upon one of my precious pooches.

JCarlson2004 · 11-09-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rrosenberry

When I had my tonsils removed, it was surgically and very humane,,,yet,, I do know ,IT HURT,,, for days, if not weeks... SO, how can they say it doesn't hurt??!!

I also had my tonsils removed and it was very painful. My throat was sore for weeks. I could only eat soft foods (yogurt, jello, cottage cheese, etc.) and drink liquids.

PlatinumYorkies · 11-09-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

The "poor man's debarkin"...that is truly despicable and I guess they do it to yorkies since little Wyatt was done that way. How truly horrible!!

How can anyone support the AKC after that last link?

We should all boycott the AKC!!!! They actually condone this?? It's all about money and registration fees!!! DISGUSTING!!!!

Like it has been said, you can't go by one article written on te internet w/o doing research, right.

red98vett · 11-09-2005, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

I also had my tonsils removed and it was very painful. My throat was sore for weeks. I could only eat soft foods (yogurt, jello, cottage cheese, etc.) and drink liquids.

OMG ME TOO !!! Getting my tonsils out HURT LIKE H**l !!!
And at least we HAD a voice when we had our tonsils out .....so we could whine and cry about it for WEEKS if we wanted to

these little guys have that taken away - so not only are they hurt & probably in pain but they probably can't even cry....

11-09-2005, 01:31 PM	#41
rrosenberry & Bailey & Bella Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,164	When I had my tonsils removed, it was surgically and very humane,,,yet,, I do know ,IT HURT,,, for days, if not weeks... SO, how can they say it doesn't hurt??!! __________________ Rhonda, Bailey, Josie and my angel Bella Rue' "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." ~Anatole France~

11-09-2005, 01:24 PM	#37
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	I just don't buy it that they do not suffer emotionally if de-barked sugically. Yorkies are a very "vocal" breed as many of us know. If I were born without speech, I probably would never know the difference other than i had a mouth that longed to speak but couldnt for some strange reason. I just think its a terrible thing to do. And I for one wouldn't go to any vet that I found out would do the procedure for anyone. My sister is all into large breeds. When she got her dobie pup last year she had a terrible time finding a vet in our area that would even crop the ears. Tail docking is another thing...when done correctly and to the correct length, there is still enough tail left for the dog to wag. I'm not an advocate for tail docking so i won't say anymore. Spaying and neutering is done to prevent un-wanted pregnancies which I do promote. De-barking is just in-sane in my opinion.

11-09-2005, 01:27 PM	#39
Diego Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,617	Reading this made me wonder how many peoples would accept to be devoice? Do those poor little ones have a choice , no way .