I hope this isn't a dumb question..

[tammy8833]

i have bred
i have not bred akc
i have 2 akc dogs..one male and one female not sure if the female will be breed-able yet as her size bothers me

i am southern and do use HEY regularly....i also get from time to tome hey is for horses...but its never taken nor given as i have offended someone, its usually affectionate banter between me n my dad ..as of my age just about 30..i dont see WHY anyone on here should question my manners based on one word that was typed "hey"..of all the rude and nasty people on here..im being pointed out for Hey...really?

"I think the confusion lays with having all dogs mirochiped vs breeding dogs and having a kennel and showing. AKC has rules/regulations for those that breed and if rules are broken the penalties are pretty stiff." - I Agree

[Poshible]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I see you're a newbie. You must have joined while I was away in Texas. Sorry I missed your introduction.

But, Welcome and glad to have you.



Mary

Thank you Mary! When I did join we were looking for Selphie and a lot of members screamed your name because we both live in California and I researched you :-) So during all that I was basing all breeders on you. My husband thought I was being so picky because I wanted to know everything and see everybody, one wrong thing and I was saying no no no.

Tammy: I am 24 and do not use "Hey!". People expect a "hello", or "hi all" as opposed to "hey". Or as I do use a direct name. I doubt you meant anything by it, BUT on a message board things come across quite differently than they do when we are speaking aloud to one another. As this may come off rude but I in no way meant it that way...so my apologies in advance if it does.

[kjcmsw]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

This person is only breeding for money. No concern for anything else.

Doesn't Microchip. AKC requires that now. Doesn't want them coming back to her. A responsible breeder always wants that, if one should need to be rehomed or lost.

Save your money a bit longer and find a puppy from a responsible/reputable breeder. You buy your breeder first then your puppy. Your breeder should be there for you for the rest of that puppy's life.

AKC "requires" microchipping now? Is that to make a person buy their microchipping (everyone's out to make a buck so it seems) or do they take microchipping info from another vet. My vet (and the couple others I checked into) won't microchip until they are at least 4 months and prefer older...all said problems can result at the injection site on such a small dog (be that true or not, that's the reason they gave for not microchipping a young pup).

[Nasdaq_Diva]

Originally Posted by BanditSocks2

You seem to have made your decision not to buy from her... yay! But maybe you could see what type of set up she has in her house. Either way if it's a puppy mill in the making or a BYB if she's been doing it for 22 years she probably won't listen to advice. Maybe though...

I could do that..but what if it just looks as bad as I'm imagining..then I'll be sad. I wonder if I could go to 'investigate' and possibly get her shut down?? Hmmm...

Originally Posted by tammy8833

"I think the confusion lays with having all dogs mirochiped vs breeding dogs and having a kennel and showing. AKC has rules/regulations for those that breed and if rules are broken the penalties are pretty stiff." - I Agree

Glad you guys have straightened out the confusion. Learn something new everyday!

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by Nasdaq_Diva

I could do that..but what if it just looks as bad as I'm imagining..then I'll be sad. I wonder if I could go to 'investigate' and possibly get her shut down?? Hmmm...

Glad you guys have straightened out the confusion. Learn something new everyday!

Where in Ohio is this "breeder"? It would be good to have this person on our radar to be able to warn people. Since I'm in Ohio, I would certainly like to know!

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i have bred
i have not bred akc
i have 2 akc dogs..one male and one female not sure if the female will be breed-able yet as her size bothers me

i am southern and do use HEY regularly....i also get from time to tome hey is for horses...but its never taken nor given as i have offended someone, its usually affectionate banter between me n my dad ..as of my age just about 30..i dont see WHY anyone on here should question my manners based on one word that was typed "hey"..of all the rude and nasty people on here..im being pointed out for Hey...really?

"I think the confusion lays with having all dogs mirochiped vs breeding dogs and having a kennel and showing. AKC has rules/regulations for those that breed and if rules are broken the penalties are pretty stiff." - I Agree

Tammy, I am not trying to be mean so please dont take it like that. It seemed like you were trying to prove Mardelin wrong, and kept on and on and on with calling AKC. Believe me, Mardelin knows her stuff and if you ever have ANY questions please ask her. She will be glad to set you in the right direction. Mardelin has corrected me on many occasions. Believe me, it's her tough training she had with the Nuns in parochial school and we also have a really tough STEEL MAGNOLIA Mentor.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by Nasdaq_Diva

There is a woman who comes into my job on occasion (I work in a bar) and she sells flowers, bears etc. Anywho, one night we were talking and she tells me that she sells Yorkies. I've been seeing this woman for about 3yrs now and just recently called her up inquiring about her dogs.

I've read up about Puppy Mills and I def. dont' want to purchase from someone like that. But with her..I don't know. She told me she's been breeding Yorkies for 22yrs. She currently has 12 that she breeds. She told me that at some point or another one of the dogs is having puppies, so she always has them for sale.

She also told me that from time to time she will cross breed her yorkies and another dog (to make a "morkie"). She doesn't charge much for her dogs $500. I asked her about microchipping and she told me, "I dont' do that. If your dog gets lost I dont want it coming back to me"

The only really helpful info she told me about is hypoglycemia. And making sure the new doggie always has food out. I feel like, I know the answer to my question but I'd really like for you all to fill me in.

Again, please no flaming. I so dont' want this to go about this all the wrong way.

Please dont buy a puppy from this lady. She is a BYB! This statement in bold, would make me run. You should never cross breed the line. A good breeder will breed for the Betterment of the Breed. She is producing pups for an income. Go to the YTCA website and find a breeder in your area. You will get a healthy little puppy. The prices are not that much different. Do not support Mills or BYB's. Good Luck to you and cant wait to see Pics...Lissette

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by Nasdaq_Diva

She also told me that from time to time she will cross breed her yorkies and another dog (to make a "morkie"). She doesn't charge much for her dogs $500. I asked her about microchipping and she told me, "I dont' do that. If your dog gets lost I dont want it coming back to me" .

These statements would be enough to tell me to stay away from her. Respectable breeders do not cross-breed "to make a morkie." But the sentence that really made me cringe with revulsion was her response to your question about micro-chipping, saying if your dog gets lost, she doesn't want it coming back to her. What kind of caring breeder would ever say anything like that? No caring kind!! Respectable breeders include a requirement in their contracts that if rehoming is ever required, the dog comes back to them directly. They WANT the dog returned so that they can insure whatever home it winds up in, is one screened, approved and well suited for yorkie ownership. No one who truly cares about her dogs would EVER make a statement like that. It tells me she doesn't care about the dogs at all, only the money they can bring.

As far as microchipping being required:
This is from the AKC site: "The AKC Board approved a requirement, effective Jan. 1, 1997, that imported dogs be permanently identified by AKC-approved methods prior to registration. It also approved a policy regarding permanent identification for OFA and CERF-tested dogs. The AKC will continue to publish all OFA and CERF numbers in the AKC Gazette until Jan. 1, 1997. After that time, only the OFA and CERF numbers of dogs positively and permanently identified at the time of testing will be published. Effective July 1, 1996, OFA and CERF transfers to the AKC registration database will occur only for dogs with positive and permanent identification at the time of testing.

Although everyone is not required legally to microchip, many top breeders/show breeders will have their dogs OFA tested and CERF-tested. In those cases, they will have to have the dogs permanently identified by AKC-approved methods before they are registered. The site further defines AKC-approved permanent identification as (microchip or tattoo). This may be part of the difference of opinion in this thread. Because of special testing and circumstances some breeders do come under a mandatory microchip or tattoo ruling. The AKC certainly recommends permanent identification on ALL dogs. They are making it increasingly more economical and easier on the dogs themselves. This site contains some valuable info: AKC CAR - Companion Animal Recovery I think it would be a good idea to get ahead of the curve as I forsee mandatory permanent identification for ALL AKC registered dogs in the future. Just a hunch, but I think a pretty good bet.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Poshible

Thank you Mary! When I did join we were looking for Selphie and a lot of members screamed your name because we both live in California and I researched you :-) So during all that I was basing all breeders on you. My husband thought I was being so picky because I wanted to know everything and see everybody, one wrong thing and I was saying no no no.

Tammy: I am 24 and do not use "Hey!". People expect a "hello", or "hi all" as opposed to "hey". Or as I do use a direct name. I doubt you meant anything by it, BUT on a message board things come across quite differently than they do when we are speaking aloud to one another. As this may come off rude but I in no way meant it that way...so my apologies in advance if it does.

Oh! Congratulations on your new pup. Researching a breeder is the key to finding a healthy pup. And some people put more effort into buying a pair of designer shoes. Your husband should be thankful that you took your time.

I'm pretty passionate about the YT breed, as I'm sure you found by researching me. I'm not about selling puppies, nor do I breed very often. My purpose for being on YT is to communicate with members (and I've met several up close and personal). But, my main purpose in being here is to help and educate.

I understand about the hey! Not often do I get bothered by things on here, but I'm a bit old fashioned and certain things do go against they way I was taught and how I taught my children. Social Civility is a big one for me.

In Texas it's Hi Y'all, but if one is addressing one person it's either Mr. or Mrs. or by some one's given name.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i have bred
i have not bred akc
i have 2 akc dogs..one male and one female not sure if the female will be breed-able yet as her size bothers me

i am southern and do use HEY regularly....i also get from time to tome hey is for horses...but its never taken nor given as i have offended someone, its usually affectionate banter between me n my dad ..as of my age just about 30..i dont see WHY anyone on here should question my manners based on one word that was typed "hey"..of all the rude and nasty people on here..im being pointed out for Hey...really?

"I think the confusion lays with having all dogs mirochiped vs breeding dogs and having a kennel and showing. AKC has rules/regulations for those that breed and if rules are broken the penalties are pretty stiff." - I Agree

Out of curiosity -- what have you bred? Do you cross-breed? (I saw you mentioned yorkie-poms.) Have you used other registeries or bred unregistered litters?

I live in the south too and "hey" is pretty common, but I think it is more of a casual, informal greeting among "buddies or some family" and not used when requesting information from an acknowleged expert in the field. I would not address a teacher, mentor or other professional with "hey." Living in the south, I am also proud of the manners most show. When people know me but not well, ask me questions or even greet me, it is normally as Miss Debra or Mrs. Debra. I use the same salutation when addressing my peers, those wiser,or those in a position of authority. It is just a sign of respect.

Here on the forums, calling someone by their member name or their actual name is good. I don't think you meant it as a sign of disrespect but this could be a good learning situation. Since people are from all areas of the world, different generations, varied backgrounds and social realms, it is always a good idea to err on the side of caution to keep all feelings in consideration. I learn something new every day here too. I hope I never stop learning!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Out of curiosity -- what have you bred? Do you cross-breed? (I saw you mentioned yorkie-poms.) Have you used other registeries or bred unregistered litters?

I live in the south too and "hey" is pretty common, but I think it is more of a casual, informal greeting among "buddies or some family" and not used when requesting information from an acknowleged expert in the field. I would not address a teacher, mentor or other professional with "hey." Living in the south, I am also proud of the manners most show. When people know me but not well, ask me questions or even greet me, it is normally as Miss Debra or Mrs. Debra. I use the same salutation when addressing my peers, those wiser,or those in a position of authority. It is just a sign of respect.

Here on the forums, calling someone by their member name or their actual name is good. I don't think you meant it as a sign of disrespect but this could be a good learning situation. Since people are from all areas of the world, different generations, varied backgrounds and social realms, it is always a good idea to err on the side of caution to keep all feelings in consideration. I learn something new every day here too. I hope I never stop learning!

Being away from the south for a couple of years I'd forgotten the Miss Debra & Mrs. Debra. There were a couple of children that lived across the street from us. I watched them grow, both are out of college now and Face Book friends. They still address me as Miss Mary or Mrs. L. Gosh I miss the southern proprity and hospitality. So, many say that the South is a bit backward in their way of life and thinking. I think their backwardness is something the rest of the country can learn from.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Tammy, I am not trying to be mean so please dont take it like that. It seemed like you were trying to prove Mardelin wrong, and kept on and on and on with calling AKC. Believe me, Mardelin knows her stuff and if you ever have ANY questions please ask her. She will be glad to set you in the right direction. Mardelin has corrected me on many occasions. Believe me, it's her tough training she had with the Nuns in parochial school and we also have a really tough STEEL MAGNOLIA Mentor.

the way mardlin was posting was that everyone is required to micrcochip now..which is not correct...i wanted to point that out. when i asked questions, my post was picked apart instead of "showing me or directing" the information or clearing up the confusion, thus i start researching.


when i called i stated my name and was i required to microchip or id my akc dogs and litters?..the answer was "NO" i did dig deeper on the large amount of dogs and the id process after that

you should id your dog..example...collar and tag which is acceptable

the third time i called raleigh i asked for more details on the id requirement..it was stated 20 plus dogs are required to have excellent id process in place..you can also see on the akc "book" that it clearly states 20 plus dogs..its not for someone with 5 dogs who breeds occasionally..yes they can come and inspect your home n pets..but if they have collars with id tags and you have the records of who's whos...your fine in that department

the following info is from AKC

VII. REGULATIONS FOR RECORD KEEPING
AND IDENTIFICATION OF DOGS

person covered by these regulations must follow
such practices as, consistent with the number of
dogs involved, will preclude any possibility of error in
identification of any individual dog or doubt as to the
parentage of any particular dog or litter.
Thus, if more than one dog is shipped to some new
owner or if a number of similar dogs are kept in a kennel
or pet shop, a system must be used, such as
marking, tagging, tattooing or microchipping each
dog, which will preclude any possible error in identities,
and a record of the identifying information must
be kept. Bitches in season must be so segregated from
males that there can be no doubt as to the identity of the
sire of any litter. Puppies from different litters must be
so segregated, marked or identified that there can be no
doubt as to the parents or age of a particular puppy, and
the identifying information must be recorded.
NOTE: If microchips are used as the primary
means of identification, a scanner must be present at
all times if there are more than 20 dogs over six
months of age on the premises. All dogs sold at auctions
must be identified by microchip.
B. RECORDS
To provide a source of reference for registration

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/rulebooks/RREGS2.pdf

[tammy8833]

i can NOT believe how incredibly wrong i AM for saying HEY..get over it! it was a greeting and i do not welcome the correction and learn from my mistake i do not view it as a mistake.
she may be a mentor to some..but i viewed her as an equal to everyone on this site..i do not know her personally ..i should address her as authority??? sorry i dont see her that way or ANYONE on this site..the ADMIN have AUTHORITY on this site.


shes a person nothing less nothing more..she may have tons of knowledge and its great to be able to ask question of someone with knowledge and get educated responses but when all that person can do is demean the post and NOT answer the question i question HER manners.

[tammy8833]

country backwardness?? i cant say thats directed from my Hey or not..but if someone believe that, some people need to look at themselves and see who needs to grow and learn. Judging someone based on a word of greeting that is generally done with a smile of friendliness down to nothing is rude, close minded, judgmental and snotty

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Out of curiosity -- what have you bred? Do you cross-breed? (I saw you mentioned yorkie-poms.) Have you used other registeries or bred unregistered litters?

I live in the south too and "hey" is pretty common, but I think it is more of a casual, informal greeting among "buddies or some family" and not used when requesting information from an acknowleged expert in the field. I would not address a teacher, mentor or other professional with "hey." Living in the south, I am also proud of the manners most show. When people know me but not well, ask me questions or even greet me, it is normally as Miss Debra or Mrs. Debra. I use the same salutation when addressing my peers, those wiser,or those in a position of authority. It is just a sign of respect.

Here on the forums, calling someone by their member name or their actual name is good. I don't think you meant it as a sign of disrespect but this could be a good learning situation. Since people are from all areas of the world, different generations, varied backgrounds and social realms, it is always a good idea to err on the side of caution to keep all feelings in consideration. I learn something new every day here too. I hope I never stop learning!

Yes i breed..i have AKC male, a AKC female, a CKC female and a Yorkiepom and yes i have bred the cross...i NEVER have enough of them...a lady that bought one before just bought 2..she loves the "breed". they are spoiled babies in her home.
the other two keep in touch with me regularity and are VERY happy ..they have always been sold before conceived.
the litter before...my first litter..only one stayed in touch..her baby is beautiful..cant tell she is mixed.

they sell faster then the yorkies...with almost the same price...i am not against most cross breedings, apparently..=)