Yorkies at a no pet hotel

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by Disney

Actually as someone who need lot of prescription medication, yes I think they is disgusting and deplorable for taking advantage of medical marijuana. I know how difficult it can be to get my medication because of 'doc shoppers.'

Here story. My friend has a chihuahua who is therapy dog. She denied going into Big W because they sick of hearing how all the chihuahuas are therapy dog. So yes, it does hurt cause. Damaging handicap rights is disgusting and deplorable to me.

I do agree if you hasn't thought it through, just silly mistake. We all make mistake! However I hope if read this thread they learn.

Just FYI, you just called many of my friends disgusting and deplorable. I think that's the problem with making such harsh judgments when you don't know the people involved. Lots of people do all kinds of things and they aren't bad, they are just people. But of course you are entitled to your opinion.

Re: your friend, don't service dogs have official tags?

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by AGirlWithWheels

I'm not saying it's ok all the time, but in this situation I don't think it hurt anyone.

In the event that one of the next guests in that room happens to be allergic to dogs, I'm sure they would beg to differ that it didn't 'hurt anyone.'

[Disney]

My opinion is if you doctor shop, you are disgusting and deplorable. That is my opinion. It is wrong to take advantage because you want drugs. Some of us really need them and it hard when I see new doctor in ER who suspicious to give me my medication as I scream in pain because other people come in wanting codeine and such because they addicted. If you are an addict, get help. Doesn't mean you bad, but the act is disgusting and deplorable.

Actually I am unsure. This was my mother friend. I probably shouldn't have used as example because I don't know the ins and out of it all, I don't know much about therapy dog. In Australia I do know law are fairly strict on therapy animal. I have seen supermarker be suspicious of seeing eye dog, how silly is that! They has the coats even.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

I know a TON of people who go to shady doctors to get medical exemptions they don't need. Are they disgusting because they are taking advantage of the law?

IMO, yes...taking advantage of that would 'disgust' me to. If your friends happen to be guilty of that, then feel free to pass along my sentiments along to them...lol. Both them and the doctors. Does that make them "bad people?" No, no one ever said it did. But bottom line is it's dishonest and lying, no matter how you spin it. If someone thinks that is 'no big deal,' then that is certainly their opinion and they are entitled to it, just as others are entitled to feel otherwise.

I don't think that anyone is claiming someone guilty of the things discussed in this thread are deplorable people or that they are perfect model citizens....just expressing opinions on the topics that have been mentioned.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

IMO, yes...taking advantage of that would 'disgust' me to. If your friends happen to be guilty of that, then feel free to pass along my sentiments along to them...lol. Both them and the doctors. Does that make them "bad people?" No, no one ever said it did. But bottom line is it's dishonest and lying, no matter how you spin it. If someone thinks that is 'no big deal,' then that is certainly their opinion and they are entitled to it, just as others are entitled to feel otherwise.

I don't think that anyone is claiming someone guilty of the things discussed in this thread are deplorable people or that they are perfect model citizens....just expressing opinions on the topics that have been mentioned.

Thanks you for expressing what I feel better than I can!

[AGirlWithWheels]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

In the event that one of the next guests in that room happens to be allergic to dogs, I'm sure they would beg to differ that it didn't 'hurt anyone.'

Well I respect how you feel and your opinion, but like I said...that's just my opinion

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by AGirlWithWheels

Well I respect how you feel and your opinion, but like I said...that's just my opinion

Hey, no worries. Understood.

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

IMO, yes...taking advantage of that would 'disgust' me to. If your friends happen to be guilty of that, then feel free to pass along my sentiments along to them...lol. Both them and the doctors. Does that make them "bad people?" No, no one ever said it did. But bottom line is it's dishonest and lying, no matter how you spin it. If someone thinks that is 'no big deal,' then that is certainly their opinion and they are entitled to it, just as others are entitled to feel otherwise.

I don't think that anyone is claiming someone guilty of the things discussed in this thread are deplorable people or that they are perfect model citizens....just expressing opinions on the topics that have been mentioned.

I think disgust is a really strong word, and should be used carefully. Of course you can make the distinction, "you yourself aren't disgusting, it's just what you DO that's disgusting!" and it's a valid distinction... but someone's probably still going to be offended by it.

Let's see if I can try this... Hm. I'm against tail docking. So if you've docked a tail, I find that disgusting and deplorable (and in all seriousness, WAY worse than staying in a hotel with a dog). If anyone you know does it, they are being disgusting. But don't worry, I'm not saying anything about anyone personally.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

I think disgust is a really strong word, and should be used carefully. Of course you can make the distinction, "you yourself aren't disgusting, it's just what you DO that's disgusting!" and it's a valid distinction... but someone's probably still going to be offended by it.

Let's see if I can try this... Hm. I'm against tail docking. So if you've docked a tail, I find that disgusting and deplorable (and in all seriousness, WAY worse than staying in a hotel with a dog). If anyone you know does it, they are being disgusting. But don't worry, I'm not saying anything about anyone personally.

I don't understand...Tail docking is disgusting. It illegal here too. What point you trying to make?

To be honest I do not care if they is offended. I feel very strong about lies and doctor shopping. If they offended by my opinion, maybe they need question why it bother them so much if they has clear conscious.

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by Disney

I don't understand...Tail docking is disgusting. It illegal here too. What point you trying to make?

To be honest I do not care if they is offended. I feel very strong about lies and doctor shopping. If they offended by my opinion, maybe they need question why it bother them so much if they has clear conscious.

It's legal in America, and lots of people on this site have docked tails personally.

It's fine that you have strong opinions, and I am truly sorry if you've had extra difficulties in your life trying to get medication. That sounds really unpleasant.

What I'm saying is that if you disagree with something, it is kinder, and generally more effective to explain your position than to condemn people you disagree with. If you said simply, "I think this is wrong, for x, y, and z reasons", I think it's easier for people to hear you, and more gracious. I just felt you were coming on pretty strong. That's all.

[MaddiesMommie]

I have agreed with Disney and felt she did explain her reasoning with how she felt. Maybe I am missing something.

[QuickSilver]

Okay, I'm going to try to thread the needle one last time...

I just used the medical marijuana thing as an example, and I don't really think it carries. It's ridiculously easy to get marijuana on a medical exemption in California, because pretty much every doctor will do it. It's not the same as going to the emergency room and pretending to be in pain to get codeine. You can make the more abstract argument that it would be easier to legalize marijuana if people didn't take advantage of this, and that would help people, but it's not an obvious connection, because there is plenty of institutional resistance to legalizing it.

By the same token, handicapped people are not directly hurt if someone lies about having a therapy dog, because it's not like the lie makes it legal to refuse service dogs the next time. I believe it would actually be illegal for Walmart (or any other vendor) to refuse to allow entry to someone with a service dog. It's not up to the discretion of the business, it's a law. And here at least, service dogs have some type of official documentation that can be produced on demand. If Walmart questions a service dog, they can ask to see proof.

Again, this is not to say that it's OKAY to lie about having a service dog... more that it's like following an ambulance to get to your destination faster. Tacky, maybe, but you're not directly hurting the people inside.

Anyway, I know this is really far afield... I'll try to stop now.

[QuickSilver]

I guess to be honest, this hits a nerve with me, because I feel that it's SO important to consider where another person is coming from, and try to educate when you can, rather than just assume that people are doing something wrong because they are dumb, or spiteful, or selfish, or whatever. If so many people in the world are so awful, what hope is there of making this a better place?

I think it can be very satisfying to judge other people, and you have to be careful not to indulge in it too much. So yeah, that's why I'm writing a five paragraph essay on something the OP has already resolved.

[MaddiesMommie]

I guess I am lost on how getting medical marijuana or pain pills through immoral means is being used to discuss if a dog should be taken into a non pet friendly hotel. ?????
All the medical analogies aside, taking a pet into a No Pets allowed hotel COULD hurt the next guest. Anyone with severe allergies will agree.

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by MaddiesMommie

I guess I am lost on how getting medical marijuana or pain pills through immoral means is being used to discuss if a dog should be taken into a non pet friendly hotel. ?????
All the medical analogies aside, taking a pet into a No Pets allowed hotel COULD hurt the next guest. Anyone with severe allergies will agree.

Maybe -- but so can taking your dog out on a walk. When I am done with my rescue shift, I am *covered* in pet hair. If me and other volunteers have lunch somewhere, we could sit in a restaurant and trigger someone at the next table over. We could leave pet hair on our seats when we leave.

The bottom line is that the hotels that don't take pets aren't doing it out of deep concern for people with bad allergies. They are doing it for their own convenience, which is their perogative. However, I think it's a little silly to turn something fairly minor into an issue of good and evil. For people who think it's wrong!!!!!!!!! to take a dog into a hotel that doesn't allow them, does it make a difference if the dog stays in its carrier the whole time? If not, why not?

To me, it's breaking the rules, which is wrong, but if we are honest with ourselves, is something most of us do, probably on a regular basis. Do you jaywalk? Did you drink before you were 21? Ever indulge in any recreational drugs? Steal cable? How about office supplies? Did you ever surf the web at work?

How about failing to do things that are legal, but you really SHOULD do? Are you always a good tipper (I am!)?

To me, these sins are about the same level, and it's silly to get so worked up and judgmental over them. Some rules are dumb, and sometimes we're a little selfish. It's a matter of degree.