Does this look like the same dog to you?

[yorkieK9trainer]

Btw,
At first I didn't think it was the same dog. At first glance. But when you really put the two together, I do think it's the same dog. One she is healthier, younger and cleaner in. The hair recession on the nose is pretty common with the type of coat she has, and it wouldn't have been present in her younger photos.

But the markings match up and the color has just changed, as they all do.

It's very likely that the three dogs in the photos you posted are in fact, the same dog.

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Btw,
At first I didn't think it was the same dog. At first glance. But when you really put the two together, I do think it's the same dog. One she is healthier, younger and cleaner in. The hair recession on the nose is pretty common with the type of coat she has, and it wouldn't have been present in her younger photos.

But the markings match up and the color has just changed, as they all do.

It's very likely that the three dogs in the photos you posted are in fact, the same dog.

So wait... are you saying that it's perfectly acceptable to post puppy photos of a dog and say "this is what she looks like right now?" Because in the sale thread, that's what she did. She also misrepresented the dog's size. The pictures I posted were the same day I gave her a bath, after I blow dried her against the grain like I was told to do so her face would fluff up.

[shannonroselive]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Btw,
One she is healthier, younger and cleaner in.

I thought the first pic was just ONE MONTH before the op got the dog. Why would she be considered old, unhealthy, and dirty just one months time?

[Miao]

Originally Posted by Baxters Mommy

I just don't see how it looks like the same dog... there's a little bit of black on like the bridge of the dog's nose that is not in the first picture... I just don't see the resemblance at all... Just saying.

Is the seller not letting you return her?

My thought's exactly. That's one of the first things I've noticed, and the colour of the legs, and so forth. That's not a month's worth of change for an adult dog nor is it a camera related, IMO. Even if it is the same dog, the seller has misrepresented her to you, likely knowing an updated photo wouldn't have gotten her the asking price nor the same kind of interest. And we're only addressing the appearance at this point, and not the temperament.

The seller took back the dog the first time, luckily for the first buyer, unfortunate for the dog, but probably easier for that buyer to do since I'm just guessing she was local. If you're willing to pay to ship her back, I hope the seller would be willing to refund you the initial purchasing amount with or without the cost of initial shipping included. Even if this means it's a pretty expensive lesson for you to learn, with or without the refund, that not all sellers are reliable and certainly, not all new or older YT members are trustworthy either. Anyone can become a member on here. Anyone can build up post count.

Personally, I would feel uncomfortable letting the seller pocket my money no matter how large or small the amount. I would rather incur more expenses upon myself as a matter of principle. But since this concerns a life, I'd probably choose to turn the dog into hands more capable than mine to deal with the aggression issues whether it be a behaviorist--provided I am financially able--or a yorkie rescue group to either retrain and/or rehome accordingly. At the same time, I would also be unable to be as gracious as you are in withholding the name of the seller and I would post somewhere, anywhere, on various websites to warn others of the dishonesty of said seller/website whether they be on forums or blogs or what have you.

I'd be really upset if I were in your position also. There are a few YT members I wouldn't hesitate to purchase a yorkie from, so I really hope this experience hasn't soured all of YT for you.

[LilMissy]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Btw,
At first I didn't think it was the same dog. At first glance. But when you really put the two together, I do think it's the same dog. One she is healthier, younger and cleaner in. The hair recession on the nose is pretty common with the type of coat she has, and it wouldn't have been present in her younger photos.

But the markings match up and the color has just changed, as they all do.

It's very likely that the three dogs in the photos you posted are in fact, the same dog.

Can Yorkie's get darker as they get older? I didn't know that.

[yorkieK9trainer]

I don't believe that the difference between the two is just one month, no. If that's what she said, there's no way I'd be sold on that. However, I would believe that that first photo is a shot of her at say, 8 months +.

I'm not saying that she didn't misrepresent the dog visually. It's clear that she has. The dog doesn't match the photo as far as coat coverage goes and coloring/pigment.

For this reason alone, plus size and terrible attitude, I think that a mistake was made on both of your parts and the dog given back to the original Seller.(as a breeder, I never would've sold to you with so much uncertainty...neither should she have. To be fair, you paid to get her there. She can pay to get her back and then also reimburse you. This is assuming that A: The dog truely was misrepresented by the Seller and B: You two did discuss at length her aggression issues and she led you to believe that the dog wasn't "that bad" or was certainly "managable".....

[yorkieK9trainer]

Originally Posted by LilMissy

Can Yorkie's get darker as they get older? I didn't know that.

Yes, some can, I've seen more females than males do it. Especially if they have Australian Terrier presented in their bloodline at some point.

[Miao]

Originally Posted by Teiya

So wait... are you saying that it's perfectly acceptable to post puppy photos of a dog and say "this is what she looks like right now?" Because in the sale thread, that's what she did. She also misrepresented the dog's size. The pictures I posted were the same day I gave her a bath, after I blow dried her against the grain like I was told to do so her face would fluff up.

If she were the same dog, but with the same aggression issues, would you keep her and try to retrain her to accept your children and another dog in the household? If so, I really hope you would try to work with her to see if she can't be tamed. If you are unwilling to accept a dog no matter how gorgeous showing that amount of aggression towards your family, then I think it's best for the both of you to find another home for her. It's no use for us, as outsiders, to tell you how cute and sweet we think she is and she just needs a little TLC and very much likely a professional trainer/behavior specialist to work with her, because, in the end, it's your money, your time, your life, your love. If you have none of that to give to this little girl, no one should try to force you to accept her as you'll probably never do. And you aren't asking to be judged by requesting second opinions on whether or not you had been misled in your purchase.

I do, however, hope you don't mind when I say I hope you will not turn her in to an animal shelter that would not give her a chance at living a normal life due to her aggression.

[Miao]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Yes, some can, I've seen more females than males do it. Especially if they have Australian Terrier presented in their bloodline at some point.

That's interesting. I guess I've just learned something new again today.

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by Miao

My thought's exactly. That's one of the first things I've noticed, and the colour of the legs, and so forth. That's not a month's worth of change for an adult dog nor is it a camera related, IMO. Even if it is the same dog, the seller has misrepresented her to you, likely knowing an updated photo wouldn't have gotten her the asking price nor the same kind of interest. And we're only addressing the appearance at this point, and not the temperament.

The seller took back the dog the first time, luckily for the first buyer, unfortunate for the dog, but probably easier for that buyer to do since I'm just guessing she was local. If you're willing to pay to ship her back, I hope the seller would be willing to refund you the initial purchasing amount with or without the cost of initial shipping included. Even if this means it's a pretty expensive lesson for you to learn, with or without the refund, that not all sellers are reliable and certainly, not all new or older YT members are trustworthy either. Anyone can become a member on here. Anyone can build up post count.

Personally, I would feel uncomfortable letting the seller pocket my money no matter how large or small the amount. I would rather incur more expenses upon myself as a matter of principle. But since this concerns a life, I'd probably choose to turn the dog into hands more capable than mine to deal with the aggression issues whether it be a behaviorist--provided I am financially able--or a yorkie rescue group to either retrain and/or rehome accordingly. At the same time, I would also be unable to be as gracious as you are in withholding the name of the seller and I would post somewhere, anywhere, on various websites to warn others of the dishonesty of said seller/website whether they be on forums or blogs or what have you.

I'd be really upset if I were in your position also. There are a few YT members I wouldn't hesitate to purchase a yorkie from, so I really hope this experience hasn't soured all of YT for you.

This experience has soured me. I won't purchase another dog unless I can see it, interact with it and KNOW that it's a good fit for my family. I wanted to give this dog a forever home, but I can't. I feel bad, but had she been represented to me the way she really is, I wouldn't have bought her and I think the seller knew that. If she would have posted a picture of her true likeness, I probably wouldn't have inquired. Maybe that's a little superficial, but at least I'm honest.

I'd be willing to ship the dog back at MY expense, but I feel she should reimburse me what I sent her for the dog I spent $1110, but $1050 of that was the dog, vetting and shipping.

However, when I approached her with this, this was the response I got (copied and pasted from the email):

I am a very honest, good person. I go to church, pay for my one daughters asthma treatment with no insurance, donate most proceeds to special charity (special personal meaning for my family)-work with creditors on the house they forclosed on me last year because of a job loss, well the list goes on. I am not meaning to be "combative" I just have not had so many insults thrown at me since I was in my 20's and in a abusive relationship. This is not something I deal with well being as how I strive to have peace within my home.

Then I find this:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/my-...she-knows.html

Nice to know my money got her a gorgeous dog!

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by Miao

If she were the same dog, but with the same aggression issues, would you keep her and try to retrain her to accept your children and another dog in the household? If so, I really hope you would try to work with her to see if she can't be tamed. If you are unwilling to accept a dog no matter how gorgeous showing that amount of aggression towards your family, then I think it's best for the both of you to find another home for her. It's no use for us, as outsiders, to tell you how cute and sweet we think she is and she just needs a little TLC and very much likely a professional trainer/behavior specialist to work with her, because, in the end, it's your money, your time, your life, your love. If you have none of that to give to this little girl, no one should try to force you to accept her as you'll probably never do. And you aren't asking to be judged by requesting second opinions on whether or not you had been misled in your purchase.

Her appearance is secondary. If her disposition was what I expected, I could get over the fact that her appearance resembles nothing like presented to me. My main concern is the injuries my 3lb dog has suffered because of her aggression and how she goes after my kids when they have food. Even hiring a trainer means I have to house the dog while a trainer works with her and my family remain at risk. Am I willing to do that for what I paid for her? No. I'm not. I don't have the time, which is why I was willing to pay so much more than her value.

Originally Posted by Miao

I do, however, hope you don't mind when I say I hope you will not turn her in to an animal shelter that would not give her a chance at living a normal life due to her aggression.

I would never. If Jasmanea, will not take her back and work with me on the shipping charges, I will try to find proper placement for her and screen anyone interested carefully. She's a good dog. She just needs to be in a home without other dogs and small children.

[Miao]

Originally Posted by Teiya

This experience has soured me. I won't purchase another dog unless I can see it, interact with it and KNOW that it's a good fit for my family. I wanted to give this dog a forever home, but I can't. I feel bad, but had she been represented to me the way she really is, I wouldn't have bought her and I think the seller knew that. If she would have posted a picture of her true likeness, I probably wouldn't have inquired. Maybe that's a little superficial, but at least I'm honest.

I'd be willing to ship the dog back at MY expense, but I feel she should reimburse me what I sent her for the dog I spent $1110, but $1050 of that was the dog, vetting and shipping.

However, when I approached her with this, this was the response I got (copied and pasted from the email):

I am a very honest, good person. I go to church, pay for my one daughters asthma treatment with no insurance, donate most proceeds to special charity (special personal meaning for my family)-work with creditors on the house they forclosed on me last year because of a job loss, well the list goes on. I am not meaning to be "combative" I just have not had so many insults thrown at me since I was in my 20's and in a abusive relationship. This is not something I deal with well being as how I strive to have peace within my home.

Then I find this:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/my-...she-knows.html

Nice to know my money got her a gorgeous dog!

Being able to meet the dogs and the breeder in person is always the best way to go though it doesn't guarantee against everything, it still buys a little peace of mind for the transaction.

Most certainly, the seller gets zero sympathy from me and I'm not even going to waste time weighing the truth in the content of the response given to you. I have seen certain other threads made by the same person in the Garage Sale section as well as requesting for breeder review/opinion for potential purchases, and so forth. And I see that "[they] can't stand paypal" so I guess I can't suggest to you to file a dispute there as you must have wired money or the cheque has cleared with the banks already.

Perhaps it isn't too late for you to appeal to her "honest" and "good" side to get your refund. Otherwise, it just leaves you to move on with life as best you could.

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by Miao

Being able to meet the dogs and the breeder in person is always the best way to go though it doesn't guarantee against everything, it still buys a little peace of mind for the transaction.

Most certainly, the seller gets zero sympathy from me and I'm not even going to waste time weighing the truth in the content of the response given to you. I have seen certain other threads made by the same person in the Garage Sale section as well as requesting for breeder review/opinion for potential purchases, and so forth. And I see that "[they] can't stand paypal" so I guess I can't suggest to you to file a dispute there as you must have wired money or the cheque has cleared with the banks already.

Perhaps it isn't too late for you to appeal to her "honest" and "good" side to get your refund. Otherwise, it just leaves you to move on with life as best you could.

She did. She refused to take paypal and even refused and EFT transfer from my bank to hers. The only form of payment she would accept is a wire transfer via money gram, which cost me an extra $70. I'll eat that and I'll eat the return shipping but I do think she should reimburse what she initially collected from me. However, based on her most recent purchase, and the emails crying poverty, I'm skeptical if I'd ever see my refund unless I collected it before sending the dog back. Which, for all intensive purposes, I would do without hestitation.

[shannonroselive]

Yeah, unfortunately it looks like you got bent over on this one for sure. I really hope you can find a nice forever home for her. You're right, she needs a grown up family (no kids) and needs to be an only child...at least for now. Poor pup, and poor you too. You can't chance it with your kids either, that's the main thing.

[Breeze]

No way is that the same dog. I'm fuming and I'm not the one in the situation.
I agree that it's unlikely that you will receive your money back, she seems to have moved on. That poor baby though, it is sad to think of what she must of gone through in her life to have these behaviors. I hope there is some sort of happy ending for you all.