Does this look like the same dog to you?

[jasmanea]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

From now on, put a line in your contract for the adult dog (I use a very simple one) that states, "If I find that this dog has been mistreated in anyway or is being kept outside, the dog will be immediately repossessed." It will stand up in court. I repo'd three last fall. Two adults and one male puppy.

VERY GOOD idea! Thank you

[chachi]

The dog doesnt look the same to me but if it is being kept outside and is unclean that could explain it

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

I have only one more thing to say. No way in hell would she keep my dog and put it outside. My adult dogs always go with a "return to me" contract. I would absolety be standing one her dorr step or in her back yard to repo my dog. When I read what you said about keeping her outside, it made me furious!!!!!!! She had not mentioned that before. That is animal cruelty for a yorkie!

Emma is NOT kept outside. None of my dogs are.
I have to either take her out WITH me while Teiya eats or put Emma in a crate so Teiya can eat. If I don't, Emma will run her away from her food.

Saying that I put the dog outside is just another way of the seller twisting the facts. The pictures that were taken, we were all outside playing. It was a nice day. The the third pictures clearly shows her lieing in a soft bed. I'm not the one mistreating her and abusing her. She came to me like this. Very rarely does she have her ears up.

[Mybabyboymax]

If you look at the photos she listed there is one picture of the dog outside and she states that she took the picture outside to show the difference in coat color etc. The other picture she posted was of the dog snuggled up inside. why try to twist the issue?

[Mybabyboymax]

Originally Posted by Teiya

Emma is NOT kept outside. None of my dogs are.
I have to either take her out WITH me while Teiya eats or put Emma in a crate so Teiya can eat. If I don't, Emma will run her away from her food.

Saying that I put the dog outside is just another way of the seller twisting the facts. The pictures that were taken, we were all outside playing. It was a nice day. The the third pictures clearly shows her lieing in a soft bed. I'm not the one mistreating her and abusing her. She came to me like this. Very rarely does she have her ears up.

LOL we were posting at the same time and said almost the same thing!

[Teiya]

Originally Posted by jasmanea

Well let's see anyone that ships knows you have to have a legit health/travel cert.
As for

"If it's the same dog, the seller should refund your purchase price and take the dog back. You should be responsible for shipping costs."

This is exactly what I did. I am not posting the nasty stuff in her email, but she stated prior that yes I did offer to refund the purchase price of the actually yorkie. I have copies of the emails. She then stated she did not want to send her back. I had yet to see the dirty photos of her being outside in the mud and looking so unkempt. Since my husbands side works in the legal arena.. NONE of my documents w/health certs or offers of a refund will prove to be false and that is good enough for me:-)

It's not the same dog Jasmanea. And if it is, you posted pictures that were 5 months old that didn't even close to resemble the dog. I would be more than happy to send her back to you (at my expense) so you can find proper placement. She needs to be the only girl and that's all that's to it. However, I think it's only fair that you refund me my $1050 that I initially paid for since you seriously misrepresented the dog.

[DanicaBraggs]

Wow this thread just keeps on going! I have read it all and to me the dog is the same.Just one is all prettied up and the other looks a little unkemp.I would LOVE to take her in my home if I could but I don't have that kind of money to throw around.In that why don't you put her in Puppy school,I put all my dogs in it no matter what there age.It cost just $75 here to go.I have never given up on any of my pets.All my dogs have a history of some kind.Jasper our Yorkie is our first dog we ever owned the actually has no problems.All our others were rescues and were abused in some way,but they are still with us and we are getting ready to put Tink in a class in May because she doesn't like people.She is great with dogs and hids from all of us.Not giving up on her I am putting her in school and just give her unconditional love.As I always say I will love it out of them
Good luck! I hope this is just stress for her and she senses something is wrong and is acting out on it and she gets better.If not send her my way I will work with her and put her in class and then give her back when it is all done.

[dogbert]

You could have the dog "Temperment Tested" by your vet or whoever they recommend. Based on what they find you may be able to return the dog under the "lemon law".

[FlDebra]

I debated with myself about posting in a heated thread. But I decided that the OP deserves replies when she has asked for people's honest opinions. Sorry to the seller, but there is no way that I would believe those were the same dogs either -- especially when the pictures are supposedly taken only ONE month apart. I think you have to see the buyer's point of view at least a LITTLE on that point. I think the nasty replies from the seller sort of seals the deal as to who is not doing right, in my mind. To make accusations like: "she is UNCLEAN and disgustingly out in the mud with her ears back in fear" and "unkempnow she looks filthy, poor and unkempt" is ridiculous. She is NOT in mud. Even the picture taken outside, the dirt is obviously dry and she does not look filthy. She does look like a larger, darker dog with droopy ears, whether in fear or just not ears that stand up, it can't be discerned from a picture.

The seller also says "I have no idea how much weight she gained with Sara, " yet she advertised the dog as weighing 5 pounds AFTER she got her back from Sara. If you are going to sell a dog, especially if it has been out of your possession for a time, then you need to verify details like that or you are not being honest. You can't say a picture was taken a month ago, when it was really 5 months ago. That too, is dishonest.

And what is up with the line the seller wrote: "If you continue to bash me I would be happy to have my family take care of the "slander" issues. " Is that a threat? Very unprofessional. BTW "slander" is spoken, "libel" is published in writing -- and it has to actually be an untruthful statement.

I also agree that the seller's quotes from the buyer only make me think she did try to make things work. She knew just by looking that the dog was not what she paid her money for, but she was willing to try until it became evident that the behavior problems were a dangerous risk to her small yorkie and maybe even her children.

I wonder at the not so subtle insinuations about bow insults and husband's ex-wife. If there is ex-wife/current wife relationship here, then who knows what to believe. But if a person wants to be a professional breeder, they had better make sure their word is gold and not sell dogs with very out of date pictures, nearly 2 pound weight difference, and aggression problems when they know the buyer has a small dog and small children. You just don't do that to the buyer or the dog. As another poster said, this is a dog that needs to go where she can be an only child and get some quality time resolving her behavior issues. It is a shame that the dog grew larger than any of the three mentioned owners wanted, did not have the "look" any of them were after, and had agression problems. But what a shame the poor dog still does not have a forever home and was needlessly shipped to the buyer who had different expectations. Instead of pawning her off on trusting people, the seller needs to find a home where she can have her special needs met.

You also don't post threats or be rude to customers. I think this was entirely unprofessional!

I believe the seller should return the purchase price and at least one way of the transportation cost, and the vet fees incurred by the buyer. These are just my opinions, which everyone has their own, and after all, that was what was asked for.

Such a shame that this happened on YT. Not only did this buyer decide buying from a YT member cannot be trusted, many others reading this will now not want to take the risk of buying from what was usually considered a reliable source -- yorkietalk members! This hurts all breeders. Maybe we could come up with a voluntary mediation program on YT. We have a company in our town that provides a service like that to individuals and businesses alike. Here we could have a board of some of the long-time members who have earned a good reputation. Each would hear out both sides and then come to a consensus with the other mediators as to their recommendation. Just an idea......

[viviansnickers]

Wow...this is a hummdinger!!

I think you should do what is in the best interest of your family's safety which is what it seems like you're doing!! I feel for the dog, but if my children were in danger, there is no question the doggie would have to be rehomed or returned.

I hope you two can come to a good solution. And I really hope that the dog in all the picture is the same dog, otherwise that is just WRONG.

[roxies_mom]

I'm just shaking my head at this whole thing. The only thing I care about is this poor little dog. It's caught right in the middle of a mess. It never asked for this. I hope you both can do the right thing by the dog and find it a happy place to be.

[dogbert]

Well said FlDebra.

As someone else said and I agree, I think she paid to much for the dog before shipping etc. I have found that the older the dog the lower the price. I hope the dog gets a home where it is an only child and whoever takes it gives it the attention and works with it on the aggression issue. I don't think a dog with aggression should be sold to anyone who has other animals and most certainly not a home with children. This dog should only be sold to someone in person, who can see the dog with their own eyes and with full disclosure of it's personality, issues, health, etc. The more the dog is passed around the more issues it will have.

[Yorkielove1]

I agree with the last post. I dont know what i think about shipping dogs.. I think you should always look at a dog in person before purchasing. Its almost the same as adopting a child and I think getting something like that shipped is just a start for a lot of trouble... I hope everything works out though. I feel for the lil pup

[hugz4all4]

I agree that you shouldnt keep a dog that is that aggressive towards your children or your pets, serious injuries could result.
I too, dont think that its the same dog, as soon as I seen the pictures I thought to myself, there is no way. The dog in the first picture is smaller and lighter in color. I dont think the second dog looks dirty and unkept, I think she looks petrified and very unhappy. .
its unfortunate that this was brought on YT. I think it should of been kept between the 2 of you and the both of you need to decide what is best for that poor dog.
I hope that the 2 of you can get it worked out soon.

[Mybabyboymax]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

I debated with myself about posting in a heated thread. But I decided that the OP deserves replies when she has asked for people's honest opinions. Sorry to the seller, but there is no way that I would believe those were the same dogs either -- especially when the pictures are supposedly taken only ONE month apart. I think you have to see the buyer's point of view at least a LITTLE on that point. I think the nasty replies from the seller sort of seals the deal as to who is not doing right, in my mind. To make accusations like: "she is UNCLEAN and disgustingly out in the mud with her ears back in fear" and "unkempnow she looks filthy, poor and unkempt" is ridiculous. She is NOT in mud. Even the picture taken outside, the dirt is obviously dry and she does not look filthy. She does look like a larger, darker dog with droopy ears, whether in fear or just not ears that stand up, it can't be discerned from a picture.

The seller also says "I have no idea how much weight she gained with Sara, " yet she advertised the dog as weighing 5 pounds AFTER she got her back from Sara. If you are going to sell a dog, especially if it has been out of your possession for a time, then you need to verify details like that or you are not being honest. You can't say a picture was taken a month ago, when it was really 5 months ago. That too, is dishonest.

And what is up with the line the seller wrote: "If you continue to bash me I would be happy to have my family take care of the "slander" issues. " Is that a threat? Very unprofessional. BTW "slander" is spoken, "libel" is published in writing -- and it has to actually be an untruthful statement.

I also agree that the seller's quotes from the buyer only make me think she did try to make things work. She knew just by looking that the dog was not what she paid her money for, but she was willing to try until it became evident that the behavior problems were a dangerous risk to her small yorkie and maybe even her children.

I wonder at the not so subtle insinuations about bow insults and husband's ex-wife. If there is ex-wife/current wife relationship here, then who knows what to believe. But if a person wants to be a professional breeder, they had better make sure their word is gold and not sell dogs with very out of date pictures, nearly 2 pound weight difference, and aggression problems when they know the buyer has a small dog and small children. You just don't do that to the buyer or the dog. As another poster said, this is a dog that needs to go where she can be an only child and get some quality time resolving her behavior issues. It is a shame that the dog grew larger than any of the three mentioned owners wanted, did not have the "look" any of them were after, and had agression problems. But what a shame the poor dog still does not have a forever home and was needlessly shipped to the buyer who had different expectations. Instead of pawning her off on trusting people, the seller needs to find a home where she can have her special needs met.

You also don't post threats or be rude to customers. I think this was entirely unprofessional!

I believe the seller should return the purchase price and at least one way of the transportation cost, and the vet fees incurred by the buyer. These are just my opinions, which everyone has their own, and after all, that was what was asked for.

Such a shame that this happened on YT. Not only did this buyer decide buying from a YT member cannot be trusted, many others reading this will now not want to take the risk of buying from what was usually considered a reliable source -- yorkietalk members! This hurts all breeders. Maybe we could come up with a voluntary mediation program on YT. We have a company in our town that provides a service like that to individuals and businesses alike. Here we could have a board of some of the long-time members who have earned a good reputation. Each would hear out both sides and then come to a consensus with the other mediators as to their recommendation. Just an idea......

i couldnt have said it better myself